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HalluciNate
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The Doobie Dude


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Re: How's my interpretation [Re: DurgaDurg]
#22071819 - 08/10/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Doobie Dude said: Drugs do not show you the truth. You are delusional.
Doobie dude gets upset if someone thinks they had a meaninful experience. Why is that? And were only slightly advanced monkeys? You're a clown.
I have had plenty of menigful experiences and I do not intend to dimisnish the impact but passing off drug experiences as fact with NO scientific evidence supporting you is lunacy at its finest. As for slightly advanced monkeys yes we share a similar common ancestor. I can tell intelligence is not your strongest suit.
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Eggtimer
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who am I to dare say anything about reality Well I'm a part of it so I'm gonna have my say
Even ugliness is beauty because without one you would not know the other. This is the duality of everything. up down/ right left/ male female/ song dace/ art reality/ "right wrong"/electron proton/god man These seemingly different things complete each other and thus exist. Without one the others would cease to be "speaking about the sets as dualities". You ever meet someone you think is physically attractive only to find someone who is much more "physically attractive" but also into you shortly after? I don't like to objectify people like that but it kinda gets the idea across. I've goon quite in depth on the subject on this thread with "proofs" http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22001844#22001844 You're basically denying that any thing like these views could ever be valid because you think I have no right to talk about these things because I'm just a "stupid human." What you miss is that all that is humans is nature including the the desire to see a bigger picture.


The emerging mainstream view is reality is a big accident humans being the biggest of them all.
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Beck suggested that depressed people draw illogical conclusions about situations, and these lead to a distortion of reality, which manifest in the magnification of negative experiences and the trivialization of neutral or positive ones.
The cognitive triad is the source of the extremely low self-esteem of depressed subjects. Indeed it can lead to micromanic(the opposite of grandiose) delusions, manifesting in the extreme form as psychosis.
Science is not illogical, but may suffer from overexclusiveness. It must be biased in that direction in order to build a consistent knowledge system by keep "soft" poorly validated concepts outside of its domain. Nevertheless, what lies outside of the semantic universe of "official science" today may be part of it tomorrow.
 You are just as much a part of nature as a blade of grass or dog. Every part of you is from nature including emotions.


 Thought it was a piece of pollen but turned out to be life oops
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Eggtimer
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Re: How's my interpretation [Re: Eggtimer]
#22072552 - 08/10/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ok I bring more shit to the table.
Call it a mystical experience or an awakening to Ecological Awareness
This book brings up some interesting ideas not necessarily what I'm talking about though.
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After forty years, Otto's analyses have not lost their value; readers of this book will profit by reading and reflecting on them. But in the following pages we adopt a different perspective. We propose to present the phe- nomenon of the sacred in all its complexity, and not only in so far as it is irrational. What will concern us is not the relation between the rational and nonrational ele- ments of religion but the sacred in its entirety. The first possible definition of the sacred is that it is the opposite of the profane. The aim of the following pages is to illus- trate and define this opposition between sacred and profane. Introduction
Man becomes aware of the sacred because it itself, shows itself, as something wholly differ- ent from the profane. To designate the act of manifes- &on of the sacred, we have proposed the term hiero- phony. It is a fitting term, because it does not imply further; it expresses no more than is implicit in its etymological content, i.e., that something sacred shows itself to us.' It could be said that the history of religions-from the most primitive to the most highly developed-is constituted by a great number of hiero- phanies, by manifestations of sacred realities.
From the most elementary hierophany-e.g., manifestation of the sacred in some ordinary object, a stone or a tree-to the supreme hierophany (which, for a Christian, is the incarnation of God in Jesus Christ) there is no solution of continuity. In each case we are confronted by the same mysterious act-the manifestation of something of a wholly different order, a reality that does not belong to our world, in objects that are an integral part of our natural "profane" world.
The modem Occidental experiences a certain uneasiness before many manifestations of the sacred. He finds it difficultt o accept the fact that, for many human beings, the sacred can be manifested in stones or trees, for example. But as we shall soon see, what is involved is not a veneration of the stone in itself, a cult of the tree in itself. The sacred tree, the sacred stone are not adored as stone or tree; they are worshipped precisely because they are hierophies, because they show some thing that is no longer stone or tree but the sacred, the ganz andere.
It is impossible to overemphasize the paradox repre- sented by every hierophany, even the most elementary. By manifesting the sacred, any object becomes something else, yet it continues to remain itself, for it continues to participate in its surrounding cosmic milieu. A sacred stone remains a stone; apparently (or, more precisely, from the profane point of view), nothing distinguishes it from all other stones. But for those to whom a stone reveals itself as sacred, its immediate reality is trans- muted into a supernatural reality. In other words, for those who have a religious experience all nature is capable of revealing itself as cosmic sacrality. The, cosmos in its entirety can become a hierophany.
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The man of the archaic societies tends to live as much as possible in the sacred or in close proximity to con- secrated objects. The tendency is perfectly understand- able, because, for primitives as for the man of all pre modem societies, the sacred is equivalent to a power, and, in the last analysis, to reality. The sacred is saturated with being. Sacred power means reality and at the same time enduringness and efficacity. The polarity sacred-profane is often expressed as an opposition between real and unreal or pseudoreal. (Naturally, we must not expect to find the archaic languages in possession of this philo- sophical terminology, real-unreal, etc.; but we find the thing.) Thus it is easy to understand that religious man deeply desires to be, to participate in reality, to be satu- rated with power.
Aboriginal influenced art can show you both worlds at once without knowing what you're seeing.


 

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Giftofdeprivation
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Giftofdeprivation said: Next time, take psychs with something somewhat grounded in mind that you'd like to meditate on. Or be cool that this is recreational and not doing too much for you (or us) my opinion/sphincter
Or spiral out further into madness. It's your consciousness and I can stop clicking anytime.
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MoxyOx
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I wonder if dead people think about life the same way we do death?
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Eggtimer
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Re: How's my interpretation [Re: MoxyOx]
#22072818 - 08/10/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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MoxyOx said: I wonder if dead people think about life the same way we do death?
If dying is going to sleep and never waking up. Being alive is like waking up having never gone to sleep. Suddenly you find yourself in the middle of this thing called life/universe and everything will appear to be happening directly to you. There is no difference between self and the external world. They complete each other and could not be without the other.
Do you eat to live or live to eat? How about both? "Human" experiences/emotions are a part of reality not a indirect function of reality. Some proof http://www.wired.com/2011/06/honeybee-pessimism/ http://scienceblog.com/78369/rats-will-try-to-save-members-of-their-own-species-from-drowning/#XfU4RL5UsUjK6yk0.97

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While many scientists state something to the effect that “the mind is what the brain does”, I myself, trained as a scientist, as well as a clinician and educator, find this an incomplete stance. In The Developing Mind (link is external) I make the scientifically presented case that the mind is not simply brain activity. The mind, beyond subjective experience and beyond conscious and non-conscious information processing, can be seen as a self-organizing, emergent process of a complex system. And that system is both within us and between us and others.
A complex system is characterized by these three features: It is non-linear (small inputs lead to large and unpredictable results), it is open (influenced by things from outside of “itself”), and it is chaos-capable (meaning it can function in erratic, unpredictable ways at times). Sound familiar in your life? If our own lives meet these three criteria, then we ourselves are complex systems.
Now, the math of complexity theory reveals that all complex systems have emergent properties, processes that arise from the flow of the system’s elements across time. So math—a form of science revealing aspects of reality—suggests that one of those emergent properties is self-organization. This is where a process arises from the elements of the system and then turns back and regulates that from which it arose. That’s called recursvity, how there is a positive feedback loop reinforcing itself over time.
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Turtletotem
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Re: How's my interpretation [Re: Eggtimer] 1
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Haha no way, I own that didgeridoo! It's made by Meinl and unlike the other pictures, not a good example of traditional art from Australia, because this particulair instrument gets mass produced in Indonesia and the art seems to be made by someone who tried to copy aboriginal artwork without doing any research on it.
It was my first didge, I still play it sometimes because it plays very easy.
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Eggtimer
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Turtletotem said: Haha no way, I own that didgeridoo! It's made by Meinl and unlike the other pictures, not a good example of traditional art from Australia, because this particulair instrument gets mass produced in Indonesia and the art seems to be made by someone who tried to copy aboriginal artwork without doing any research on it.
It was my first didge, I still play it sometimes because it plays very easy.
I own this one too . I figured it was so cheap for a reason. The real wood ones I saw were around 100 and the art was actually burnt into it. I think one was of mushroom art
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Turtletotem
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Re: How's my interpretation [Re: Eggtimer]
#22080073 - 08/12/15 06:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've got two Australian eucalyptus didges, one was 180 euros and the other 300. But I have played a didge that went for 1100 euros, that thing was basicly a tree trunk and really, really, really cool!
My 300 didge has a medicine plant painted on it.
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Eggtimer
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Re: How's my interpretation [Re: Eggtimer]
#22084443 - 08/13/15 01:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Most people look at life as a bank to be robbed because they do not see that they are not living a life but they are life.
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SPIRITUAL life is the emancipation of consciousness. Through it we find immediate response of soul everywhere. Before we attain this life, we see men through the medium of self-interest, prejudice or classification, because of the perpetual remoteness around us which we cannot cross over. When the veil is removed, we not only see the fleeting forms of the world, but come close to its eternal being, which is ineffable beauty.
Some seek for the evidence of spiritual truth in the outside world. In this quest one may stumble upon ghosts or some super-sensual phenomenon of nature, but these do not lead us to spiritual truth, as new words in a dictionary do not give us literature.
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EGOISM is the price paid for the fact of existence. So long as I realise this price within me, so long do I steadfastly bear all the pains and penalties of keeping myself in existence. That is why the Buddhists have it, that to destroy egoism is to cut at the root of existence: for, without the pride of self it ceases to be worth while to exist.
However that may be, this price has been furnished from some fund or other,--in other words, it matters somewhere that I should be, and the price paid is the measure of how much it matters. The whole universe--every molecule and atom of it--is assisting this desire that I should be. And it is the glory of this desire which is manifest in my pride of self. By virtue of this glory this infinitesimal "I" is not lower than any other thing in this Universe, in measure or value.
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I HAVE a relationship with the world which is deeply personal. It is not of mere knowledge and use. All our relationships with facts have an infinite medium which is Law, Satyam; all our relationship with truth has an infinite medium which is Reason, gnānam; all our personal relationship has an infinite medium, which is Love, ānandam.
We are not mere facts in this world, like pieces of stones; we are persons. And therefore we cannot be content with drifting along the stream of circumstances. We have a central ideal of love with which to harmonise our existence, we have to manifest a truth in our life, which is the perfect relationship with the Eternal Person.
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WE criticise Nature from outside when we separate it in our mind from human nature, and blame it for being devoid of pity and justice. Let the wick burn with indignation at the want of light in the rest of the candle, but the truth is that the wick represents the whole candle in its illumination. Obstacles are necessary companions to expression, and we know that the positive element in language is not in its obstructiveness. Exclusively viewed from the side of the obstacle, Nature appears as inimical to the idea of morality. But if that were absolutely true, moral life could never come to exist. Life, moral or physical, is not a completed fact, but is a continual process, depending for its movement upon two contrary forces, the force of resistance and that of expression. Dividing these forces into two mutually opposing principles does not help us, for the truth dwells not in the opposition but in its continual reconciliation.
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Eggtimer
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Re: How's my interpretation [Re: Eggtimer]
#22097170 - 08/16/15 12:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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More proof human emotions aren't human.
They mate face to face with suckers embraced and go at it for quite a bit longer than is considered normal for most octopi.
http://news.berkeley.edu/2015/08/12/octopus-shows-unique-hunting-social-and-sexual-behavior/
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Unlike most octopuses, which tackle their prey with all eight arms, a rediscovered tropical octopus subtly taps its prey on the shoulder and startles it into its arms.
“I’ve never seen anything like it,” said marine biologist Roy Caldwell, a University of California, Berkeley, professor of integrative biology. “Octopuses typically pounce on their prey or poke around in holes until they find something. When this octopus sees a shrimp at a distance, it compresses itself and creeps up, extends an arm up and over the shrimp, touches it on the far side and either catches it or scares it into its other arms.”
The creature, known as the larger Pacific striped octopus, also turns out to be among the most gregarious of known octopuses. While most species are solitary, these have been seen in groups of up to 40 off the Pacific coasts of Nicaragua and Panama. larger Pacific striped octopus stalking a shrimp
The larger Pacific striped octopus stalks a shrimp. Roy Caldwell photo.
And while male octopuses typically share sperm with females at arm’s length, ready to flee should the female get aggressive or hungry, mating pairs of this octopus when observed in captivity sometimes cohabit in the same cavity for at least a few days while mating, with little indication of escalated aggression. Mating pairs have even been observed to share meals in an unusual beak-to-beak position.
They do engage in rough sex, however. The pair grasp each other’s arms sucker-to-sucker and mate beak-to-beak, as if kissing. The females mate frequently and lay eggs over several months, whereas the females of most known octopuses die after a single brood.
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