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Subaeruginosa woodchip grow: in or outdoors?
    #22070287 - 08/10/15 01:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hey guys, I'm just after some advice on what to do with my current psilocybe subaeruginosa grows.

About 6-8 weeks ago, I started inoculating damp cardboard pieces using stem butts, and about 3 weeks ago after the myc had taken hold somewhat, I transferred the tacos into small plastic TA containers, lined with damp cardboard, filled in with damp wood chips and covered with tinfoil with a few holes poked through. I've been storing these containers in my cupboard where it is dark and the temperature is moderate(indoors) (it is winter here now, outdoor temp ranging from 3-12deg celcius). Some of the containers have been doing better than others, I've got at least two containers where I can see the myc spreading, others, not so much. The Winter is coming to an end now and I'm wondering whether it would be better to transfer the containers outside, into a wood chip garden bed, or is it better to leave them indoors to protect them from the harsh heat of Summer? I know it's a bit more typical t use grains for an indoor grow, so just wondering how these are likely to go? If they remain indoors I'm not going to be able to regulate temperature, but I will be able to mist them regularly/as needed.

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Re: Wood chip grow in or outdoors? [Re: Rock1084]
    #22070303 - 08/10/15 02:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's getting late in the season. It might not be to late to grow them outdoors. Depends on where you are at.
I just planted my azure and alleni patch. I will get alleni in two or three months. But not sure about the azure. They like a little more time. The alleni will grow just about anywhere outdoors.


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Re: Wood chip grow in or outdoors? [Re: tahoe]
    #22070320 - 08/10/15 02:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm in Victoria, Australia. All wild subs seem to have stopped growing this season, but it has been extremely wet and cold in the past week.

If the containers will be ok indoors, I'll keep em indoors, but if they'd be better outside getting fresh air flow, rain and variable temps then I can put them out side. I just want what's best for these babies :smile:


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Re: Wood chip grow in or outdoors? [Re: Rock1084]
    #22071661 - 08/10/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I believe you will want to keep it inside until spring. Then use it to inoculate an outdoor bed. It should do fine over the summer months in a shady area with plenty of moisture. If all goes well, that will set you up for fruits next fall.


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Re: Wood chip grow in or outdoors? [Re: Ncogneato]
    #22138776 - 08/25/15 04:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Alright, so I ended up keeping all my containers indoors, and so far two potentially three are looking very nice


Since I've never done this before, I'm not sure what happens next...do I need to do anything at this stage, or just keep misting them and let the myc take over the whole container?

It's very late winter now, Spring just around the corner, will these containers just fruit on their own next Winter if I keep them indoors?


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Re: Wood chip grow in or outdoors? [Re: Rock1084]
    #22138807 - 08/25/15 04:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Alright, so I ended up keeping all my containers indoors, and so far two potentially three are looking very nice


Since I've never done this before, I'm not sure what happens next...do I need to do anything at this stage, or just keep misting them and let the myc take over the whole container?

It's very late winter now, Spring just around the corner, will these containers just fruit on their own next Winter if I keep them indoors?




I'm doing wood-lovers myself for the first time, but from what I've seen/read your woods and card-boards look dry overall.
maybe it's just when you took those pics, :shrug:

about next steps, your best bet is outdoor of course, but in mycotopia website seen someone growing them in monotubs very successfully, but exposed them to natural conditions for fruiting (if I remember correctly).
their server is down now, so can't find the links .etc

but indoor cultivation (fruiting) is not so widespread, and sure there's a good reason for it.


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Re: Wood chip grow in or outdoors? [Re: psilocybist]
    #22142766 - 08/25/15 07:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Rock1084 said:
Alright, so I ended up keeping all my containers indoors, and so far two potentially three are looking very nice


Since I've never done this before, I'm not sure what happens next...do I need to do anything at this stage, or just keep misting them and let the myc take over the whole container?

It's very late winter now, Spring just around the corner, will these containers just fruit on their own next Winter if I keep them indoors?




I'm doing wood-lovers myself for the first time, but from what I've seen/read your woods and card-boards look dry overall.
maybe it's just when you took those pics, :shrug:

about next steps, your best bet is outdoor of course, but in mycotopia website seen someone growing them in monotubs very successfully, but exposed them to natural conditions for fruiting (if I remember correctly).
their server is down now, so can't find the links .etc

but indoor cultivation (fruiting) is not so widespread, and sure there's a good reason for it.



Well I haven't done any watering or misting yet, I've read that it is important to not have the container soggy wet, even erring on the drier side of damp is ok - I could be wrong? I'm happy for someone to set me right on this.

Ok so, excuse my ignorance, but why is outdoor ideal? Are indoor conditions just too 'artificial', lacking variations in temperature and light? Whats the deal there?


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Re: Wood chip grow in or outdoors? [Re: Rock1084]
    #22144427 - 08/26/15 03:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

cause it's hard to simulate what nature does to mycelium in an indoor fruiting chamber. though it has been done.
mainly it's temperature, it needs to be lowered to around 5 or so, for fruiting, and you don't wanna live in a room that cold.

BTW, in my opinion, no matter how you try, the fruits weight still won't payoff the efforts.
even if you  manage to successfully get to healthy fruits in a few monotubs (indoor), it's still nothing, considering the time and effort.
while in a outdoor patch, your patch can be any size, as long as you have enough chips, and nature does all the works, you just take care of it's wetness.

just my opinion.


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Re: Wood chip grow in or outdoors? [Re: psilocybist]
    #22144477 - 08/26/15 04:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That all makes a lot of sense. So do you reckon the myc would grow quicker/better if I stuck them outside to let nature take care of it all? Our Spring in Melbourne tends to be quite a wet season.

Is it also true that contaminants are a bigger threat to indoor cultivation than outdoor? Why is that exactly?


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Re: Wood chip grow in or outdoors? [Re: Rock1084]
    #22144523 - 08/26/15 04:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21835611#21835611

Check out this from Olive, SA guru :lecture:. tacos are the go. Lots of good info in this thread.

Good luck

Edit: End of July seems to be our cut off but you might be able to get away with it in Melbz this time of year because of how miserable the weather is over there.


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Re: Wood chip grow in or outdoors? [Re: Rock1084]
    #22144536 - 08/26/15 05:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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So do you reckon the myc would grow quicker/better if I stuck them outside to let nature take care of it all? Our Spring in Melbourne tends to be quite a wet season.




Not just now. based on what you said in first post, your outdoor temps are quite cold. (3-12 C)
they grow there too, but very very slowly. for the myc to get a good growth it needs around 20C temps.
Funny, my current Subaeruginosa mycelium is growing in 30C and it's fast, no problem so far.
my problem is exact opposite of yours, my outdoor is dry as hell and hot as 38C during day, and it's gonna stay like this for next month or so. :sad:

If I were you, I'd let the myc cover the woods and cardboards completely. (if temps and moisture are right it won't take more than a month for your containers)
and after that I'd transfer them completely into outdoor patch(es) and mix them with more woodchips there.

and also, GE (gas exchange) is not a concern in this step, So i'd moist the cardboards and chips well, and close the container lids to minimize evaporation. (moisture of your spawn is more important than GE). I even read somewhere they put woodchips in big bags, and close it tightly, the space between chips contains enough gas for the myc growth. (so is true for your spawn in containers)


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Re: Wood chip grow in or outdoors? [Re: psilocybist]
    #22147839 - 08/26/15 05:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Edit: End of July seems to be our cut off but you might be able to get away with it in Melbz this time of year because of how miserable the weather is over there.



Yeah I've been reading/posting in Olive's thread, it's damn informative. :thumbup:
I was a bit late with starting this project, but I reckon it's now or never, since it's only gonna get warmer.
That said...From here, regarding best p. sub myc growth: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12997172
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According to Paul Stamets:
Spawn at 65-75ºF (18-23C)
Primordia at 45-55ºF (7-12C)
Fruitbodies at 50-65ºF (10-18C)



Which is exactly what you're saying psilocybist:
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based on what you said in first post, your outdoor temps are quite cold. (3-12 C)
they grow there too, but very very slowly. for the myc to get a good growth it needs around 20C temps.



However my indoor situation is close to the upper end of the optimal spawning temperature range, but my mycs are moving very slowly, so something may not be right for it. And since that's the case, maybe they are better off outside sooner than later as it will start to warm up a bit more from now on  :shrug:


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Re: Wood chip grow in or outdoors? [Re: Rock1084]
    #22148054 - 08/26/15 06:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Go for it man. Make sure you update the thread next winter with fruiting photos. I'd love to know how it went.

Fingers crossed and good vibes comin from SA.


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Re: Wood chip grow in or outdoors? [Re: brk]
    #22148225 - 08/26/15 06:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Sure will mate, and thanks for your input
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Re: Wood chip grow in or outdoors? [Re: Rock1084]
    #22918182 - 02/18/16 03:01 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Just wanted to do a quick update. I ended up burying a couple of pieces of inoculated cardboard in a small woodchip bed (mostly pine chunks) that currently houses a small rose bush that is in shade for at least 50% of the day. This was done in very late August, which is cutting it a bit close to Spring. I've been watering it intermittently through Spring and Summer, although it did miss out on a few long stretches, and was exposed to some extremely hot temperatures (40C+). I put an extra layer of woodchips over it a few weeks ago, figuring that might help protect it from direct sunlight and help retain moisture.

Today I can report that the myc has spread a little bit through the bed!  :awesome:

Considering it didn't have much time at the end of Winter to dig in, and the freakin hot Summer which I am sure makes it go dormant, I am quite impressed. I doubt I'll get any action this season, but I think I'll beef the patch up a bit more some more myc so hopefully 2017 will be looking good.


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Re: Wood chip grow in or outdoors? [Re: Rock1084]
    #22918189 - 02/18/16 03:06 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Anyone know if I can use jarrah, Marri, Mango, redgum sawdust or wood chips to grow these?


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Re: Wood chip grow in or outdoors? [Re: Rock1084]
    #22918233 - 02/18/16 03:35 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Just wanted to do a quick update. I ended up burying a couple of pieces of inoculated cardboard in a small woodchip bed (mostly pine chunks) that currently houses a small rose bush that is in shade for at least 50% of the day. This was done in very late August, which is cutting it a bit close to Spring. I've been watering it intermittently through Spring and Summer, although it did miss out on a few long stretches, and was exposed to some extremely hot temperatures (40C+). I put an extra layer of woodchips over it a few weeks ago, figuring that might help protect it from direct sunlight and help retain moisture.

Today I can report that the myc has spread a little bit through the bed!  :awesome:

Considering it didn't have much time at the end of Winter to dig in, and the freakin hot Summer which I am sure makes it go dormant, I am quite impressed. I doubt I'll get any action this season, but I think I'll beef the patch up a bit more some more myc so hopefully 2017 will be looking good.




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Re: Wood chip grow in or outdoors? [Re: AusMush]
    #22920568 - 02/18/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Anyone know if I can use jarrah, Marri, Mango, redgum sawdust or wood chips to grow these?



My experience is limited so I couldn't tell you for certain, however I have heard (and this will need to be verified) that sawdust isn't that good, as it limits air flow.


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Re: Wood chip grow in or outdoors? [Re: Rock1084]
    #22920578 - 02/18/16 06:15 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Ahhh okay thanks man


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Re: Subaeruginosa woodchip grow: in or outdoors? [Re: Rock1084]
    #23151366 - 04/24/16 08:04 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

UPDATE: My half assed outdoor woodchip inoculation that I started in Spring last year, that I hardly watered all through Summer popped it's first pin!


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