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OfflineMike O Voidenski
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Re: Ovoids fruiting? I'm trying to get my ovoideocystidiata to fruit, need a little advice. [Re: Mike O Voidenski]
    #24658031 - 09/25/17 05:28 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

What brought me to the bacteria line of thinking is the color of the conk. It was very typical Psilocybe color. I didn't think too much of it at the time but I collected wood from the location I was at and transferred it to my area. One of the cultures that I started I let get very nasty sitting in a stream bed and on a forest floor. One day I opened it up to see if anything was still alive. It was super gross until I got into the lower core area. There I discovered growth that looked a lot like the conk type growth I discovered in the Ohio River valley. After I had my fun exploring through this nasty box I contracted a bacteria that lived on my skin and caused cyst type infections. This stuff was pretty aggressive. I wound up on three rounds of antibiotics and had to do a full body wash two times a week in a special cleansing solution to get rid of this stuff. It left scars, this stuff was no joke. What if the bacteria I contracted is responsible for the conk type growth? What if different bacteria cause different growth patterns with ovoid? This bacteria connection would explain why ovoid pretty much appears different when it is cultivated in different locations. And it would explain why standard indoor techniques haven't worked out.


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Re: Ovoids fruiting? I'm trying to get my ovoideocystidiata to fruit, need a little advice. [Re: Mike O Voidenski]
    #24658266 - 09/25/17 09:08 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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What if the trigger is a specific type of bacteria though?




Then it would have been on that log that was already fruiting outside.


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Re: Ovoids fruiting? I'm trying to get my ovoideocystidiata to fruit, need a little advice. [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #24666726 - 09/28/17 11:19 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Some of the pieces of wood I observed exploded with pins. Been racking my brain, observing, and trying to listen. Maybe substrate density and evaporation play a part. Think about this, a maturely colonized piece of wood has incredible moisture holding capabilities. At least the mature pieces of colonized wood I observed did. You could fill a container full of this stuff and fill it full with water and 30 minutes later there would not be one drop of water in the container any longe. The consistency of the wood was light and loose. I could crumble a piece of this wood easily w one hand. A riparian floor in the spring time is typically a very cool temperature. The air that is in the east in the spring is warm. Per RR and the things he came to understand working the APL, the way a SGFC works is that cooler air is denser than warmer air. The density of this cool air that is near a riparian floor  and brought in by a 40ish degree water temperature from a near by stream can only hold so much moisture. Therefor it is at or near 100% humidity. The warmer air that comes in is much less dense so FAE occurs while the humidity wicks from the more dense into the less dense air.......

What if there could be situations where incredible amounts of this humidity wicking situation occurs where very dense 100% humid air wicks into less dense air that is something like 85% or 90% humidity. Sometimes in the morning as the sun rises you can see it evaporate from the morning dew. Ovoid has shitloads of water available and in my observation will chase water. What if the secret key is a substrate that is super light in density, has unlimited access to fresh water, and has shitloads of evaporation?

Maybe typical cake recipes are too dense? Maybe it takes two years because the wood needs to be hollowed out first so it can act like a sponge?

Any thoughts or ideas?

Shoot this down and I'll come up with something else.


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Re: Ovoids fruiting? I'm trying to get my ovoideocystidiata to fruit, need a little advice. [Re: Mike O Voidenski]
    #24668008 - 09/28/17 06:25 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not in a position to be experimenting right now and won't be for a while plus I only grow and consume legal species. I'm thinking a BRF/verm/sawdust cake colonized and dunked. This will simulate the core of a mature piece of wood. Then loosely wrapped in a dry paper cellulose fiber material such as the type sold as animal bedding. Probably 1 to 2 1/2 inches thick. Maybe hold it on there w some string? Then hydrate this cellulose with a mister to field capacity. The cellulose layer could simulate the very light spongy type rotten wood that is part of a mature bed. Throw that in a FC filled w moss, or more cellulose, or pearlite. Add as much FAE as you can without dehydrating too much. Bet the myc rips through the moistened cellulose and explodes in pins.


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Re: Ovoids fruiting? I'm trying to get my ovoideocystidiata to fruit, need a little advice. [Re: Mike O Voidenski]
    #24672887 - 09/30/17 03:23 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)



An example of the light airy cellulose wood I observed.






And this is a close up picture of the same mushroom just because it has some bad ass blueing.


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Re: Ovoids fruiting? I'm trying to get my ovoideocystidiata to fruit, need a little advice. [Re: Mike O Voidenski]
    #26098034 - 07/09/19 12:05 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

I apologize, it might be a little late reopening this thread but i may have a little insight. I currently have a load of colonized mulch in my fridge taking off as we speak. I think Mike may have a point with a bacteria being a large factor here considering the areas they are found in. Starting with already colonized substrate/mulch may be the key or IMO using local OHIO River mulch is your best bet. I am currently in the process right now and i know fruiting can take forever. Another though is that the whole submerging and rehydrating the cakes will only disturb them and these little guys are finicky.I have disturbed my honeyholes to have none or few come back the next year. My thought is to have the best drainage as possible and to flood your container (with rain water) every day maybe for a week, as they fruit after long periods of rain. Back to Mikes bacteria discussion. Obviously there is bacteria in wood and soil but... FACTS: There is bacteria in rain. Say you only submerge the cake once, yeah it might stay hydrated like it needs to but it may not get enough of the bacteria it needs to fruit hence the amount of rain it needs to fruit. 1.Night in the freezer 2.A few weeks-2 months in the fridge watering very little maybe not at all depending how long its in the fridge 3.Out of the fridge into your fruiting chamber while flooding your highly drainable container every day for maybe a week (maybe even multiple times a day, it cant do it harm). I will post a thread when im successful. Weather replication+ Bacteria?= maybe some indoor Voids? Good Hypothesis Mike!


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Re: Ovoids fruiting? I'm trying to get my ovoidiocystidiata to fruit, need a little advice. [Re: snardoggys]
    #28569914 - 12/05/23 01:15 PM (1 month, 24 days ago)

Hey this is my first post on here but I think the golden ticket to triggering fruiting is directly correlated to what the mushrooms under go in the wild, and that is distribution. Whether it be hard rain or flooding the mycelium has to reach a low enough temperature and become disturbed, this may not be the case with all situations but i almost guarantee this is necessary. I have had success with this, I think it has to do with the mycelium thinking it’s at risk of dying so it prompts the reproductive cycle of the mycelium. This goes hand in hand with it being a riparian mushroom naturally every growing season it is thrashed by floods and washed  into piles of substrate, unless of course it doesn’t rain enough to flood, which doesn’t mean no fruits but more rain definitely increases fruiting frequency.


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