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Ovoids fruiting? I'm trying to get my ovoidiocystidiata to fruit, need a little advice.
    #22070195 - 08/10/15 12:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hi all, this is my first or second post. Im using a cake tek w brf, verm, wood pellets, gypsum and also added some agar agar flakes which really seemed to help speed colonization. I'm using a mono as my fc.

Spores were from wild samples that I collected this year while the ovoids were still in season here in PA.

I cold shocked the cakes for 48 hour dunk then rolled in verm and soil and misting w creek, rain, and spring water.  Fae fanning 4x per day plus using a bubbler now as well.

Recently started to put rectangular ice packs in fc for night temps of 59.7 and 64.00 at night (sensors on each side of monotub) and day temps roughly 75 to about 81 max.

Cakes have been in fc a week now. No signs of pins, nothing.  Waited a week after full colonization to birth.

Am I missing something?  Any advice to get some pinning? I think I've read just about everything there is to read on the internet along w using my own intuition \ ideas and still? 

Round 2 of cakes I subbed wheat bran for brf and they aren't colonizing nearly as fast. I have an outdoor started in May for fruiting this fall or next year hopefully, but what is the secret to indoor?
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Re: Ovoids fruiting? I'm trying to get my ovoidiocystidiata to fruit, need a little advice. [Re: snardoggys]
    #22070208 - 08/10/15 12:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

pics?


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Re: Ovoids fruiting? I'm trying to get my ovoidiocystidiata to fruit, need a little advice. [Re: cronicr]
    #22070223 - 08/10/15 12:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Ovoids fruiting? I'm trying to get my ovoidiocystidiata to fruit, need a little advice. [Re: snardoggys]
    #22070225 - 08/10/15 12:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i'd say all you can do is give it time, my cubes tend not to fruit for a week so time is your friend with these and temps


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Re: Ovoids fruiting? I'm trying to get my ovoideocystidiata to fruit, need a little advice. [Re: snardoggys]
    #22070232 - 08/10/15 01:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You will also see a tray (first link) w some river plants, river sand, one or two cakes, and a chunk of viable mycelium from my outdoor patch was also added. The outdoor is from an established patch of 3 years or more.
Season ended here about two weeks ago, so the next step was this experiment.

In the meantime I started some cube jars made w the standard tek adding agar agar flakes and gypsum.  Spores were from dry specimens, re hydrated for spore prints. That didn't work so added sterile water and diced the caps and then inoculated w the slurry.  Those are colonizing pretty well but I really like ovoids and don't want settle, know what I mean. I did a cube grow back in the late 90s, went well.
Since I've found the world of ovoids, that's all I want. 
The smell is different, the experience is different and the hunting is plentiful, when in season.


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Re: Ovoids fruiting? I'm trying to get my ovoideocystidiata to fruit, need a little advice. [Re: snardoggys]
    #22070238 - 08/10/15 01:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds good....watching the mycelium grow elsewhere in the meantime.
Wondering if I could put my cubes in the same fc then, not sure of strain, they were a gift from a friend from another non cultivating friend, so I would have to ask. Wish me luck.:thumbup:


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Re: Ovoids fruiting? I'm trying to get my ovoideocystidiata to fruit, need a little advice. [Re: snardoggys]
    #22070239 - 08/10/15 01:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Best of luck and hope it turns out stellar


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Re: Ovoids fruiting? I'm trying to get my ovoideocystidiata to fruit, need a little advice. [Re: cronicr]
    #22070268 - 08/10/15 01:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Have people had luck fruiting ovoids indoors in the past? I figured that they would be near impossible like azures and cyans


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Re: Ovoids fruiting? I'm trying to get my ovoideocystidiata to fruit, need a little advice. [Re: tahoe]
    #22070272 - 08/10/15 01:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

yep a few have like monty/neo


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Re: Ovoids fruiting? I'm trying to get my ovoideocystidiata to fruit, need a little advice. [Re: tahoe]
    #22070280 - 08/10/15 01:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

They've had luck pulling them inside

here's a long one detailing some trials
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19503269/fpart/1/vc/1

I've never seen an attempt like this though. The cold shock and the cooling of the fruiting chamber with ice packs are good ideas sneardoggy


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Re: Ovoids fruiting? I'm trying to get my ovoideocystidiata to fruit, need a little advice. [Re: cronicr]
    #22070285 - 08/10/15 01:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What did those guys do to be successful w it, any links maybe?  Early in the season I got a piece of mycelium that was fruiting to continue w more but to get a cake or mycelium that has not yet fruited needs a secret key that I haven't yet stumbled upon.  Going to give it a few more days then start temp cycling go imitate spring, then....if that doesn't work I may try freezing the mycelium and then going to temp cycling or just going for low to mid 70s day and cooler at night.  I'm using blue, red, and full spectrum led for lighting. The lamp was designed to grow aquatic plants, its a fluval.


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Re: Ovoids fruiting? I'm trying to get my ovoideocystidiata to fruit, need a little advice. [Re: snardoggys]
    #22070293 - 08/10/15 01:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ty Appalachian Brony. They are holding temps stable around 59 for about 4 hours at a time, hopefully will be worth the effort, up now swapping ice packs at 4am.


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Re: Ovoids fruiting? I'm trying to get my ovoideocystidiata to fruit, need a little advice. [Re: snardoggys]
    #22070300 - 08/10/15 01:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

One more post on my behalf and I'm able to read the link.... Thanks fellas,  time for some rest on my end, big day tomorrow but I will keep posting on my progress and results.


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Re: Ovoids fruiting? I'm trying to get my ovoideocystidiata to fruit, need a little advice. [Re: snardoggys]
    #22075852 - 08/11/15 10:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

2 days later, temps remaining in low 50s, still no pinning, keeping at it


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Re: Ovoids fruiting? I'm trying to get my ovoideocystidiata to fruit, need a little advice. [Re: snardoggys]
    #22076167 - 08/11/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:jackiechanofapproval: that's all you can do


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Re: Ovoids fruiting? I'm trying to get my ovoideocystidiata to fruit, need a little advice. [Re: cronicr]
    #22186234 - 09/04/15 01:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Moved to outdoor.


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Re: Ovoids fruiting? I'm trying to get my ovoideocystidiata to fruit, need a little advice. [Re: snardoggys]
    #24654679 - 09/23/17 09:40 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Bacteria as a trigger needs to be explored further.


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Re: Ovoids fruiting? I'm trying to get my ovoideocystidiata to fruit, need a little advice. [Re: Mike O Voidenski]
    #24654708 - 09/23/17 09:51 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

That's the one for sure thing that is probably in abundance in outdoor beds and probably nearly absent in most indoor attempts. In successful indoor attempts that involved the transfer of material from outdoor to indoor bacteria could be unknowingly collected from the outdoor beds and transferred indoors allowing for primordia formation. Just a thought.


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Re: Ovoids fruiting? I'm trying to get my ovoideocystidiata to fruit, need a little advice. [Re: Mike O Voidenski]
    #24654773 - 09/23/17 10:25 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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That's the one for sure thing that is probably in abundance in outdoor beds and probably nearly absent in most indoor attempts. In successful indoor attempts that involved the transfer of material from outdoor to indoor bacteria could be unknowingly collected from the outdoor beds and transferred indoors allowing for primordia formation. Just a thought.




Not really. I've seen grow logs of Ps. Ovoideocystidiata where people brought in wild-collected mycelium and expanded it septically (cause wood chips don't have to be sterile) and couldn't get it to happen. I have seen Ps. Cyans fruiting indoors in a mini-fridge, never seeing outdoors once. So I think it's possible without any other bacteria, I just think we are missing some kind of link.


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Re: Ovoids fruiting? I'm trying to get my ovoideocystidiata to fruit, need a little advice. [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #24658013 - 09/25/17 05:12 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

What if the trigger is a specific type of bacteria though? I admit that I do not know too much about bacteria and that my hypothesis is pretty much a guess after some observations. My thoughts more in depth are that the Ohio River ovoid (the one I observed) lives in a area that contained a significant amount of very low land. This land contained standing water at its lowest points in mid April. No ovoids were observed inside of an area that was below the existing waterline. 95% of the fungi I observed in this garden were ovoid, 4% were an unidentified conk looking fungi that grew within 12 inches of ovoid. This conk growth was carmel colored on top, creamy on the bottom, and green around the perimeter. 1% was hyphloma fasciculare, and I found one single dryad's saddle. Near the waterline of the swamp was the only place the conk type growth was located and it was almost always near ovoid. I'm wondering if there is a class of bacteria that enjoys very wet conditions and cooler temperatures that is not typical for spontaneous indoor growth. Maybe a specific type bacteria that needs to get its start from something that is not typical in a standard grow operation like overly saturated substrate plays a part of the ovoid life cycle. I'm not suggesting ovoid should be cultivated in waterlogged conditions but what if the myco mat needs exposure to a bacteria that only grows in waterlogged conditions...... Maybe not, but this would explain why people have had some success collecting material from outside but not from standard indoor cultivation techniques. This unidentified bacteria could sometimes be accidentally collected from outdoor beds and other times not be present and not collected. I'm not trying to spread any misinformation, just trying to think outside of the box since the inside of the box doesn't appear to be very fruitful (pun intended).

Has a bacteria trigger been ruled out?
It seems to me that a process of ruling things out would lead to a deeper understanding of the full life cycle.


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