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Money's Impact on an Individual
    #22069673 - 08/09/15 09:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Interested in a discussion about the impact money has on people. Do you think you're strong enough to not let it get to your head? Would it make you a better person? A lesser person? How much is too much? How much is too little? And what if the world is in turmoils because of it? Would you still chase or hold onto it?


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Re: Money's Impact on an Individual [Re: Leviticus969]
    #22069776 - 08/09/15 10:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I spend a lot of my time around a lot of money (I even work in the financial sector, and earn a lot myself). I see money used to buy the most obscene luxuries every time I make the journey to work.

It used to get to me, a lot. I mean it would make me physically uncomfortable to be around it.

However since that time I have done a huge amount of work on my innermost self. My conclusion is that no matter how much of it I ever have, unless I commit to striving to achieve my highest potential, not as an earner of material, but as a good, kind, compassionate human being, that all the money in the world ain't gonna be worth having. As long as I can remain content in myself, I no longer see any point in chasing it.


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Re: Money's Impact on an Individual [Re: Leviticus969]
    #22080214 - 08/12/15 07:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Interested in a discussion about the impact money has on people. Do you think you're strong enough to not let it get to your head? Would it make you a better person? A lesser person? How much is too much? How much is too little? And what if the world is in turmoils because of it? Would you still chase or hold onto it?




As I learned from BE HERE NOW long ago, "money is green energy," and like all forms of energy that is utilizable by human beings, too much causes inflation of one type or another. Too much food and one physically swells to obese proportions. Sometimes this physical inflation causes shame, but other times one's ego grows into the 'fat-cat,' or 'large-and-in-charge' personality dynamic. Too much amphetamine or cocaine inflates the ego to pathological proportions. Paranoia has two faces - grandiosity and persecution. One begins to experience oneself as a genius, a leader, a savior or conversely, 'they' are after me (because I'm SO significant and important). Too much of a psychedelic can also create Paranoia. Too much aggrandizement by others (rock stars, movie stars, etc.) and pretty soon you are believing the hype and lo - narcissism develops, and perhaps paranoia, delusions of grandeur.

Money works similarly to inflate the ego, and just like with drugs and fame, fortune can elicit Narcissism and delusions of grandeur. Look at Donald Trump, he is a current example. He falsely believes that his accumulated wealth means that HE is in control and that his control makes him presidential material. His rejection of political correctness means that his role as the number one diplomat for the USA would be compromised in the extreme, and the POTUS is a diplomat as well as the Commander in Chief of military forces. A pathological narcissist in control of a nuclear arsenal? :eek: But Bill Gates, sometimes the richest man on the planet does not evidence pathological narcissism. he creates charitable foundations and does good with his wealth. One never hears of him referring to his vast fortune like Trump continually does to the public, which suggests to me that Bill gates can handle "green energy" a lot better than Trump can in his personal development as well as in his social responsibility to the world.

These men are poignant examples. I am an average person who is retired and lived on an educator's salary. When I received enough inheritance money from an estranged aunt, the first thing I did was pay off my mortgage because my job was funded year-to-year. It was a very good move because I lost that job a couple of years ago. I also allowed an inherited stock portfolio to develop, and even through the 2008 Recession, I did not take monies out - still haven't. I also tax-sheltered sometimes 20% of my income in a 403(B). Haven't pulled those monies yet either. I am grateful that I can pay for my pool repair this week from my savings/checking account - several thousand dollars. :mad: It's one of those things, but I'm grateful that I can do it because I didn't piss my money away on luxury cars, vacations, or vices. So having gratitude suggests that the money I do have, HAS made me a better person or at least not corrupted me. I am better able to take care of myself and my wife (e.g., paying for medical/dental insurance, home/pool maintenance, remaining debt-free) because I've always applied a somewhat Stoic philosophy's logic to saving money for needful things (like this major pool overhaul), not frivolous wasteful expenditures that would result in need at a later date. Just my 2¢.


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Re: Money's Impact on an Individual [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #22084424 - 08/13/15 01:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

According to a happiness study: After your basic needs are covered more money does not increase happiness.


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Re: Money's Impact on an Individual [Re: King Klick]
    #22117164 - 08/20/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I have read some articles citing $75,000 a year as some kind of ceiling for happiness. I made $76,300 when I lost my position and retired. I have a tax shelter and a stock portfolio, but I still fret, unnecessarily, when I need to spend a big piece of change (like my pool renovation which is costing $5200). The money is there, but I am still plagued by neurotic fears and I think they'd remain even if there was more money in reserve. I don't think my old college friend who comes from money and who brags about his 2 BMW automobiles experiences the kinds of joy that I have because materiality causes quick rush of egoic pride which rapidly diminishes in intensity. That is why shopaholics are so much like crack addicts. :lol: They live from one rush to the next. I distinguish between happiness which is an emotional condition that seems to depend upon externals more than joy, which abides even in the midst of grief and hardship. Happiness is very existential in this respect, while joy has an ontological basis that transcends one's circumstances. It is like the sun which you know is there behind the most ominous, destructive storm clouds.

http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2010/09/07/the-perfect-salary-for-happiness-75000-a-year/
http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2019628,00.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/17/map-happiness-benchmark_n_5592194.html


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Re: Money's Impact on an Individual [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #22117984 - 08/20/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

money is only evil when:
#1 you have barely enough to cover basic living, food, shelter and health
#2 you have so much of it and still can't get enough, aka the greedy rich


unfortunately alot of people nowadays are scraping by just to cover #1...it's a pretty sad state of affairs.


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Re: Money's Impact on an Individual [Re: resonant111]
    #22118147 - 08/20/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

once you work hard and save up a certain amount of money for yourself…getting a car, house and such can be very rewarding. And it some cases you have more free time.


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Re: Money's Impact on an Individual [Re: Cowb0yNeal00]
    #22124275 - 08/21/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The Ultimate Goal of Money IS TO FULFILL UTILITY...so at any rate, at any time, under any cause or effect we will always have issues with money if we are not getting our Target..or Peak Utility..as an expression of love or fear of any emotion, and of the sovereignty of our very selves..who loves Labour and Consumption..this is the exact task of the Monetary system..no one should ever be bereft of Money..and in this is that the ultimate goal of a Capitalist System IS TO MAKE UTOPIA!


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Re: Money's Impact on an Individual [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #22125062 - 08/21/15 11:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The Ultimate Goal of Money IS TO FULFILL UTILITY...so at any rate, at any time, under any cause or effect we will always have issues with money if we are not getting our Target..or Peak Utility..as an expression of love or fear of any emotion, and of the sovereignty of our very selves..who loves Labour and Consumption..this is the exact task of the Monetary system..no one should ever be bereft of Money..and in this is that the ultimate goal of a Capitalist System IS TO MAKE UTOPIA!




A true utopia takes others into consideration. Utopias are a social model that defies the current developmental level of humanity. Capitalism is more about unbridled greed of the individual, and the financial manifestation of the Adlerian (and Nietzsche from whom Adler derived it) Will to Power. Donald Trump is the paradigmatic capitalist today. It used to be the Rockefellers, the Astors, the Mellons, or the Rothschilds. I am incredulous that anybody on Earth could believe that the Bible is Trump's #1 favorite book, instead of his statement being understood as pandering to those literalist Christians for votes. I would laugh were the threat to this country not so great. McCain and Romney didn't worry me as much as this crass and vulgar Capitalist competing for the nuclear briefcase and other dangerous possibilities. :eek: Trump's ideology is certainly not utopian for the American people.


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Re: Money's Impact on an Individual [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #22125267 - 08/22/15 12:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i agree with the said above , i have had a hard live , i have spent some days in the past were my parent would have nothing to feed me but tea and bread with butter , it were some saddening times , but it made me realize how emty people truly are ,if you complain about your broken iphone 6 screen you have no idea what real life realy is , to realy understand what it is to starve ,you realy have to starve !

but my point is , money is an evil thing ,normal people think too much about it , but normal people do do psycadelics

i tell my friends and family , mushrooms and DMT would change the world in ways you cant even understand , they have a hard time beliving me , but im sure most of you fellow psyconauts agree with me


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Re: Money's Impact on an Individual [Re: kamykazi3]
    #22126731 - 08/22/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Power corrupts, and absolute power, corrupts absolutely.

We can always hope to cage the beast with our morals and ethics, blinding it with philosophy and karmic lessons, but is it enough?

Sometimes I think money is not the cause of all evil, but rather a tool often used to acquire power, which is actually the evil root behind it all.


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Re: Money's Impact on an Individual [Re: akosi]
    #22127482 - 08/22/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Power corrupts, and absolute power, corrupts absolutely.

We can always hope to cage the beast with our morals and ethics, blinding it with philosophy and karmic lessons, but is it enough?

Sometimes I think money is not the cause of all evil, but rather a tool often used to acquire power, which is actually the evil root behind it all.




Recently here the power went out for a couple of hours, and the stores closed and folks couldn't even buy food.  The dependence on computers, power grid, and the internet has reached the point of stupid.  The push now is to ban cash, next will be for a chip on your wrist to prove you are who you say you are.


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Re: Money's Impact on an Individual [Re: kamykazi3]
    #22129980 - 08/23/15 08:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm sorry to hear of your hardship. I expect that life can only improve for you now. Careful not to dismantle the necessary healthy ego-structures that will facilitate making your place in the world where you can THEN kick back and explore psychocosmic domains. Meanwhile, a preponderance of your energies NEEDS to be extraverted to career and financial stability. I am 62 years old and retired, so I'm sharing what I know to be true for me in retrospect.


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Re: Money's Impact on an Individual [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #22138490 - 08/25/15 02:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

we gave money power as soon as money touchs my hand i spend it i dont work just play no fear if a need arises it is provided work is for those who want


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    #22140443 - 08/25/15 11:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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we gave money power as soon as money touchs my hand i spend it i dont work just play no fear if a need arises it is provided work is for those who want






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Re: Money's Impact on an Individual [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #22143349 - 08/25/15 09:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Money doesn't go to your head, it reveals who you really are.


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Re: Money's Impact on an Individual [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #22143792 - 08/25/15 11:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Money doesn't go to your head, it reveals who you really are.




"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln

Money is "green energy" as Ram Dass called it, and it is immediately translatable into power. Some few people with wealth have sought to alleviate as much suffering as they could. Others build immense yachts for their personal pleasure and ego-aggrandizement, or they finance their own run for Presidency of the United Staes by which they hope to further their already megalomanical ego's power (while adding the power of a nuclear arsenal). So, I suppose I have to agree with you. :frown:


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Re: Money's Impact on an Individual [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #22145220 - 08/26/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

if I could trip at work id get a job till then foraging for berries


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    #22145298 - 08/26/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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if I could trip at work id get a job till then foraging for berries




That's a non sequitur for me. Nobody attempts to take psychedelics on a daily basis. Besides the immediate tolerance, the addiction to the inebriation is obvious. The euphoria is secondary to the insight and clarity of mind in religious traditions which describe transcendental experience. The higher jhanas in Buddhism for example, surpass states of bliss. 'Getting high' is all about maintaining the ego-defense that wants to feel blissed out or exalted. That translates into the dysfunction of the addict. Psychedelics teach spiritual lessons experientially. Otherwise they are just become just another substance abuse problem and a chronically wasted subject just lives another wasted life by refusing to learn those lessons. "Foraging for berries" sounds sadly euphemistic for eating out of dumpsters. I have a difficult time imagining wi-fi for a computer to be on The Shoomery in Strawberry Fields. :sad:


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