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Offlinepsychoanomaly
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    #22069657 - 08/09/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Using bags instead of jars? [Re: psychoanomaly]
    #22069683 - 08/09/15 09:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's not the jars, there is a fault in your sterile technique...
I don't use bags but I can tell you whatever it is your doing wrong will happen with the bags also. Do you use agar?


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Re: Using bags instead of jars? [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #22069751 - 08/09/15 10:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:whathesaid:

If you can't get clean jars then using bags isn't going to solve the problem. Its more likely to make a bigger problem I think.

Look at your sterile technique and the cleanliness if your spores/culture.


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Re: Using bags instead of jars? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #22069814 - 08/09/15 10:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I have tried bags 5 or 5 times and every single one of them failed.


with jars, I get atleast a 90% success rate.


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Re: Using bags instead of jars? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22069818 - 08/09/15 10:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

that surprisingly proves absolutely fuck all:lol:


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Re: Using bags instead of jars? [Re: cronicr]
    #22069891 - 08/09/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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cronicr said:
that surprisingly proves absolutely fuck all:lol:





It proves I don't know how to use bags :lol:


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It's just a shot away..


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Re: Using bags instead of jars? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #22069977 - 08/09/15 10:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's possible that the spore syringe you used was contaminated. Try learning to work with agar, then you can be sure your cultures are contaminated free. Build a still air box too. You can't work with agar without a SAB


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Re: Using bags instead of jars? [Re: shellzenone]
    #22069987 - 08/09/15 10:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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shellzenone said:
Build a still air box too. You can't work with agar without a SAB



says the person w/o a flowhood:laugh2:


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Re: Using bags instead of jars? [Re: cronicr]
    #22070192 - 08/10/15 12:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Don't try to use bags unless you have a hood. You're going to fumble around and fuck something up I promise.


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Re: Using bags instead of jars? [Re: maddchef]
    #22070200 - 08/10/15 12:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Pretty sure the problem is the spores are drying out in the grains. I like to inoculate spores into an LC so the LC can keep the spores hydrated until they make myc. I think you should try it!


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Re: Using bags instead of jars? [Re: gay mushroom]
    #22070215 - 08/10/15 12:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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contamination, presumably due to an inadequate soaking. Like I said, the last two attempts before this one were successful, with one producing small fruits after spawning to coir.




I dont soak and have no problems, endospores are normally germinated under heat/pressure anyways so i dont think it would help much.

Check your syringes on agar, try PCing for a longer time and deep clean your work area before letting the air settle. If that doesnt work i would try another grain to see if you find it easier to work with. :shrug:

Grains arent that difficult :thumbup:

Like everyone else said, bags wont help. Work on sterility.


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Re: Using bags instead of jars? [Re: gay mushroom]
    #22070266 - 08/10/15 01:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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gay mushroom said:
Pretty sure the problem is the spores are drying out in the grains. I like to inoculate spores into an LC so the LC can keep the spores hydrated until they make myc. I think you should try it!




No if there's bacterial contamination it's either the sterile technique or in the syringe. Spores to LC is risky and you can't see bacteria in an LC.

Agar is the way to go.


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Re: Using bags instead of jars? [Re: Appalachian Brony]
    #22070378 - 08/10/15 02:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

One can use bags without a flow hood or still air box. I do not have time to dick around with agar and certain species of mushrooms. So I use spore syringes with bags. I have 90+% success rate. I use polyfill and a zip tie to close the bag. Pc them for 90 mins at 20+psi. Let them cool and then hit them with less than a quarter cc of spore water. I tape up the hole with masking tape and let them sit. Easy.
The op's problem has nothing to do with the 24 hour soak. It has to do with either the pressure cooking, the sealing of the jar, or cleanliness of inoculate.

I recently talked to a guy who has not had one single jar not contaminate. I was going over his tech and it seemed good. He was stuffing polyfill in his metal lids and inoculating through the fill. He was watching me open some jars and said, " wait, you have the rubber side down"? He had been flipping his lids over, like the very old school way of growing.


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Re: Using bags instead of jars? [Re: PinPornProducer] * 1
    #22070439 - 08/10/15 03:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

what?  metal side down is the shit dude, way easier to g2g for me.

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It has to do with either the pressure cooking, the sealing of the jar, or cleanliness of inoculate.




^^^this


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Re: Using bags instead of jars? [Re: blindingleaf]
    #22070814 - 08/10/15 08:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, having rubber side down is actually a disadvantage IMO. It makes it so that when you go to open your jar you have to bend the lid.


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Re: Using bags instead of jars? [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #22071393 - 08/10/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

From some who is new to bags (grown +-10 out to fruit) and having done jars for a couple years I will say to those looking at bags:

I wish I had a flowhood first
If your technique is good it's a great way to do about double the work for your time
Get a 941 or similar (I do 6 7qt bags at a time(that's 6 mono tubs worth)
Each grain jar can split into 1-3 bags. So one jar+g2g+10 days or so= three monos
It is faster to g2g transfer to two bags than 14 jars.
If you fuck up (you will get a small hole right after g2ging that really good looking master jar) you will loose more.
Massaging bags is way better than shaking jars. I use my knees for grain jars and after two dozen per knees they start to give...

Missed some, but over all I will say jars will always have there place, bags are a nice boost.


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Re: Using bags instead of jars? [Re: filthyknees]
    #22071406 - 08/10/15 11:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:whathesaid:

pretty much sums it up right there


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