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Subconsciously depressed/consciously happy & content?
    #22069545 - 08/09/15 09:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Heya fellow shroomerites! I've been experiencing quite an interesting state in my life this past week and I was hoping you'd be kind enough to share your take, or perhaps any similar experiences with me.

My wife has been becoming more and more unwell of late due to longstanding depression (possibly BPD) which has been further exacerbated by the deaths of two loved ones, a cruel family, long term unemployment, alcoholism, etc. It's resulted in several suicide attempts and an act of infidelity, amongst other things. I feel she is becoming more and more of a shell of the woman I married as time goes by.

I posted about it here in further detail, if you're interested enough to read:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22040915

Comparatively, I am very much in the best place I have been in my life thus far, due in the most part to (I believe) my dedicated meditation practice, along with a lot of reading, therapy, eating well, exercising, and overcoming several major challenges in my life.

However over the course of the past week, since she disclosed her infidelity to me, I have found myself living almost a double life. My waking hours are very positive, for the most part, and I feel very clear headed with a clear sense of direction and purpose. However upon waking in the mornings, before my consciousness fully engages, I feel terror and dread at emerging from the state of sleep. As soon as I'm up though, it vanishes and I'm back to feeling positive again.

Do you have any insight/suggestions at what this may point to? Have you ever had any similar experiences?

I wish I had a better grasp at remembering my dreams, as I wonder if they may provide some insight here, however I often don't remember them well as I allow myself a very small smoke of a pure strain sativa before I sleep (it's generally my only break from sobriety these days). I don't really want to give up my only treat, but it may be the case that it's required to make any headway with this thing.

It's certainly been a major challenge trying to decide how to best handle this situation with my wife, however after talking with well over a dozen people about it I do believe that I am approaching it with the utmost kindness and compassion. Being as I'm living from that place to the best of my ability, and my waking mind recognises that, why does my unconscious plague me so?


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Re: Subconsciously depressed/consciously happy & content? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22069607 - 08/09/15 09:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Well Jsb, I am very sorry to hear about the troubles your wife, and by proxy you, are having.  You have my well wishes.  I once read that a zen Roshi (don't remember who) was asked by his disciple, "Roshi, who is the real me?"  And the Roshi replied:  "Do you know those first few moments, just after you awake, when you don't have any orientation, when, indeed, you don't even really know who you are?  That awareness is the real you."


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Re: Subconsciously depressed/consciously happy & content? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22069639 - 08/09/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thank you so much for the well wishes DQ, I really appreciate that. And also for the interesting take on that state of consciousness. Makes me wonder if I'm somehow deluding myself (I believe that as human beings, we're very good at doing so) that I'm content and actually, at some point I'm gonna collapse into a big 'ol heap when reality catches up with me!


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Re: Subconsciously depressed/consciously happy & content? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22069666 - 08/09/15 09:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

In all candor, that is what I fear.


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Re: Subconsciously depressed/consciously happy & content? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22070832 - 08/10/15 08:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Sorry to hear things have been rough for you both recently Jokeshop. The subconscious is a funny thing, and it usually acts up when the conscious mind isn't dealing with the emotions caused by a particular situation, and so represses them. For someone going through a difficult time, your post seems very upbeat which is a little unusual for a person in such a situation. I wonder whether you are allowing your emotions to express themselves fully, rather than being concerned with ensuring you are being caring and compassionate all the time? When you follow a spiritual path, meditation etc, and understand the power of the mind, it can be easy to try and make sure you are a in a positive state all of the time, ensuring you are being loving and kind etc. I know I have fallen prey to this many, many times. It's sure taken me a long time to learn this, but being able to sit in and accept all states and emotions, positive, negative, happy, sad, angry, is the key to working through issues. If we don't work through them when they come up, that's when the subconscious gets hold of them and presents you with these feelings in a different way (dreams, nightmares, situations), until you can make them conscious once again through awareness and acceptance. Being kind and compassionate is very, very important, but we can't manifest a permanent state of lovingkindness until we can acknowledge, accept, and release everything that doesn't make us feel loving.

Incidentally I read some of the other thread where you mentioned that you have a tendency to attract partners with mental and emotional issues. I think your therapist has a point about a subconscious need to care for someone, but I would go a bit further than that. IMHO all situations, particularly repeating patterns in our lives, they all happen because there is something we must learn from them, a lesson we haven't learnt before when confronted with similar experiences. Once we learn the lesson, the subconscious imprints are released and there is no need for us to go on repeating that experience. So what is it that this situation is trying to teach you? Only you can answer that :heart:


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The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death.
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Re: Subconsciously depressed/consciously happy & content? [Re: PocketLady]
    #22070880 - 08/10/15 08:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Just wanted to add that "working through" issues doesn't and shouldn't involve the mind at all. It's just a matter of being aware of thoughts and emotions as they arise, and sitting with them in acceptance until they disappear of their own accord.


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Re: Subconsciously depressed/consciously happy & content? [Re: PocketLady]
    #22074180 - 08/10/15 10:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thank you so much for the kind words and sage advice PocketLady. My gut feeling is that you're on point with what you say; that there's something that needs to come up for me which I need to sit with. In an attempt to try and bring it to the fore, I went without my before bed smoke and thus dreamed very vividly. The dreams involved my wife's infidelity (although the circumstances changed and it was more painful because of this), followed by one of my usual 'running from the authorities' type dreams, which are never far from my dream state when I can recall it.

Still, back in my waking hours, it's all generally positivity again. I have had a very slight, subtle sense of something amiss, but it's really so vague I don't know how to hone in on it. Don't suppose you have any tips? You say you've fallen pray to something like this before, would you mind sharing your experience with me please?

Incidentally, I think I know the answer to the repeating pattern conundrum. Through this past week with my wife, and the subsequent setting of boundaries, I have come to realise that I cannot/will not help her conquer her mental illness. It's simply not my place, nor within my capabilities. I'm very much a problem solver by nature (my work in IT and hobby in Mechanics belies this) and I think that I have a need to do this with the people I care about too. Whereas, in reality, I'm no good at fixing anything unless it's an inanimate object (although I'm very good at fixing those!).

I feel, again in my gut, that this is a resolution I must make within myself; to let people be as they are, and to feel no shame at the fact that I will take no involvement in 'fixing' them, nor in expecting them to be an equal in the sense that I work so hard on my own issues, and that it is the responsibility of each of us to work on our own without requiring another person to help you do the work!


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Re: Subconsciously depressed/consciously happy & content? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22075265 - 08/11/15 08:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

For me, I've had issues with trying to fight off "scary" thoughts to the extent where it really started to impact my life. The thoughts varied, but a lot revolved my becoming obsessed with insuring I didn't think "bad" things about other people. I found that the more I fought, the more those thoughts and emotions would push back, causing a battle in my conscious mind and in my dreams which were really quite terrifying at times. The only way I found to deal with it is to make sure that I accept every single feeling or thought that comes up, whether I am doing a sitting meditation or just in my waking life.

Has anything been coming up in meditation? The problem with the subconscious is that often it's just feelings. The waking conscious mind creates thoughts which are easy to recognise, but it can be trickier with the subconscious as it's not as immediately obvious. But my advice would to be just to try and deepen into whatever vague feeling you are having. Not to intellectually understand it. Don't ask questions about what it is or why it's there, just sit in it and feel it completely. Just by doing that you will release it.

Sounds like you've got that pattern sorted out. Acceptance, in all forms, does seem to be the key to many things in my experience :smile:


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The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death.
Tomorrow, when resurrection comes,
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Re: Subconsciously depressed/consciously happy & content? [Re: PocketLady]
    #22075537 - 08/11/15 09:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You might consider interpreting it through the Freudian lens of id, ego, superego.

I'm not sure how familiar you are with his ideas, but briefly the id is described by Freud as "...the dark, inaccessible part of our personality..." and from his study revolves primarily around sex and aggression. It is often described as instinctive and chaotic - base urges which have yet to become organized into one's life.

Whereas the super-ego works in contradiction to the id. The super-ego strives to meet social expectations. Primarily, Freud observed, those taught by authority figures (mom, dad, teachers). And whereas the id is concerned with instant self-gratification, the super-ego controls our sense of right and wrong and guilt. It aims to help us fit into society by getting us to act in socially acceptable ways.

The ego in Freud's theory is what predominates consciousness. Where the id is the dark, inaccessible part, the ego is front and center. It is also the mediator between the id and the superego. But not only those mental stirrings, but also what presents itself in "reality". So the ego has to cope with the id's urges, the superego's social demands, as well as whatever else is occurring in daily life.

For Freud a healthy ego finds ways to manage all of this in a way which most benefits the organism. But he also recognized that many  times the ego is unable to achieve such a task. That quite often less adaptive coping mechanisms become employed. He spent most of his life watching the ways he failed in this regard. He came up with a list of coping mechanisms or defense mechanisms.

Here are some:

Denial - Refusal to accept external reality because it is too threatening; arguing against an anxiety-provoking stimulus by stating it doesn't exist; resolution of emotional conflict and reduction of anxiety by refusing to perceive or consciously acknowledge the more unpleasant aspects of external reality.

Distortion - A gross reshaping of external reality to meet internal needs.

Wishful thinking - Making decisions according to what might be pleasing to imagine instead of by appealing to evidence, rationality, or reality

Rationalization - Convincing oneself that no wrong has been done and that all is or was all right through faulty and false reasoning. An indicator of this defence mechanism can be seen socially as the formulation of convenient excuses.

Reaction formation - Converting unconscious wishes or impulses that are perceived to be dangerous or unacceptable into their opposites; behaviour that is completely the opposite of what one really wants or feels; taking the opposite belief because the true belief causes anxiety.

Repression - The process of attempting to repel desires towards pleasurable instincts, caused by a threat of suffering if the desire is satisfied; the desire is moved to the unconscious in the attempt to prevent it from entering consciousness; seemingly unexplainable naivety, memory lapse or lack of awareness of one's own situation and condition; the emotion is conscious, but the idea behind it is absent.

And I don't think Freud has an exhaustive list of ways in which humans cope, but I do think there is a lot to the notion of coping. Of trying to deal with the demands of reality but also with the demands of our biology and also of our upbringing. I don't necessarily agree that one is pathological if, for instance, one finds themselves in denial for instance. Most modern psychologists don't either. For instance the death of a close loved one often inspires denial in the general populace. So it doesn't make sense to say that this response is therefore pathological. It is instead normal. But if it is not worked through, serious issues definitely can and often do start to crop up.

What I personally take away from this line of thinking when looking at my own life is that I can expect my ego to be overwhelmed at times. Either through the sheer shock and impact of a situation, or through the extreme disparity between my biological imperative and social ideals of my youth. There is a threshold at which my typical approach to life will fail me. And that it will take me time to work through. And that my best bet is not to allow this, hmm, failure of my ego, to add insult to injury. To hopefully, through awareness of this phenomena, be more prepared to cope with it's appearance.


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Re: Subconsciously depressed/consciously happy & content? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22076931 - 08/11/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm really sorry to hear about your wife's indiscretions in addition to the struggles of her depression that you've been dealing with so long.... Do you think you're becoming a bliss ninny....?  In my other thread you responded that you mentioned the ecstasy of your meditation practices, starting in your skull and radiating through your body, and that's something I experience at will too.  I sometimes wonder if I opt for that mode of perception over expressing my frustration with others, and to what detriment that ultimately causes me.


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Re: Subconsciously depressed/consciously happy & content? [Re: CosmicJoke] * 1
    #22079429 - 08/12/15 12:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

PocketLady & Kickle - thank you so much for sharing your insight with me. Oddly enough, I think I realised what it is. Bloody well timed as well, as it hit me as I was riding from work on the way to see my therapist! It started as a slow, drip, drip type building up of feeling, and as I was sitting outside my therapists office having a coffee, it came on full force. By the time I got in to see her, the contents of my mind were comparable with a thunderstorm, and I could feel the furrowing of my brow to an extent I cannot ever recall having felt!

I'm pretty damn sure it's the reality of considering/realising how much I'm gonna have to change if I continue to try and make the relationship with my wife work. I think doing a lot of reading yesterday about BPD (as yet undiagnosed, but I don't need a specialist to tell me that's what it is) helped to bring it to the fore, along with adjusting my thought patterns based on what you both said.

It was like a fight/flight response of the emotional persuasion, still very much unresolved, however my therapist helped me get things in perspective a little so I can focus on some personal healing work for the time being. I mean, it's out now at least, and not floating around somewhere in there outside the reach of my consciousness. Based on what you both said, that's very definitely progress!!


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I'm really sorry to hear about your wife's indiscretions in addition to the struggles of her depression that you've been dealing with so long.... Do you think you're becoming a bliss ninny....?  In my other thread you responded that you mentioned the ecstasy of your meditation practices, starting in your skull and radiating through your body, and that's something I experience at will too.  I sometimes wonder if I opt for that mode of perception over expressing my frustration with others, and to what detriment that ultimately causes me.




I had to look up the terminology of a 'bliss ninny' - couldn't figure it out for the life of me based on the words alone! Here it is for anyone else in that predicament:

Noun[edit]
bliss ninny (plural bliss ninnies)


(slang, pejorative) A person who is unrealistically optimistic, or a Pollyanna and who might seem to prefer to retreat from difficult situations by professing seemingly irrelevant platitudes, rather than to directly engage with the difficulty at hand in a meaningful way.
(slang, spirituality) A student who may seem to be intoxicated with spiritual teachings, but is ungrounded or untrained.


In answer to your question CJ - I honestly don't know. If I am, it's not conscious, although I'm definitely open to the fact that I could be as some kind of self defence mechanism. I know that a few weeks ago, when I had to take a week off work to watch over my wife and intervene to stop several suicide attempts, I found myself very much 'out of myself' - a condition I don't recall feeling to such an extent before. I guess when one is overly concerned with a loved ones welfare, considerations for ones own happiness or sadness likely go out the window pretty quick.

Although if I were to isolate the point at which my life took a huge leap forward in terms of contentment, it would  be after I resorted to a two month period of on/off heroin addiction as a coping strategy for my marital troubles. Getting through PAWS really changed my life. Perhaps it was a fork in the road of my existence, and by choosing what I believe to be the right path, I developed a new found appreciation for life. Since then, it's like my head and my path are clearer than they have ever been. I think I'm just gonna enjoy it whilst it lasts - I'm sure life will fire some shit my way the moment I have more lessons to learn!!

Thanks all, from the bottom of my heart!


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Re: Subconsciously depressed/consciously happy & content? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22082961 - 08/12/15 07:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Oh I just meant I have developed a knack for feeling fucking phenomenal, you know the way you see people looking blissed out sitting at their guru's feet? Just like that.  I think I use this power to avoid arguments with others and letting them know how much they've really dicked me over... or just watching a show like Vice (I know you don't really watch T.V.) but perhaps you've come across the blogged journalism, I think the appropriate response would be anger and disgust to a lot of these stories, but I experience fascination and ultimately go back to feeling harmony.  I can think of a few events regarding lost love ones that I suspect would make me grieve intensely, but not much else.


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

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I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: Subconsciously depressed/consciously happy & content? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #22088449 - 08/13/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, I hear you on the 'knack for feeling fucking phenomenal' CJ; I believe I have developed the same knack myself, as was mentioned above. I feel in my gut it's here to stay. As AGT mentioned in his thread, I believe that it's a case of 'The spiritual growth that is occurring is actually what drives a person to pursue certain pratices.'

I feel like it's a result of being more in touch of ones 'higher self' - by tapping into it, one can experience states of unparalleled bliss, which, IMO, top any drug based experiences I've ever had.

Back to the subject mentioned in the OP, I decided to commit to giving up my sativa so as to analyse my dreams, and I've been blown away by what's come up. I need to talk it through with my therapist so as to analyse it in a Freudian sense, but I have my suspicions about what it represents already;

So I graphically killed a man in my dreams two nights ago, something I have never done before. Interestingly, he had been sent to kill me by a woman (possibly my mother or wife) and I killed him (almost certainly a part of me) in self defence. It seems ridiculously symbolic as to what is happening in my life right now.

Has anyone else ever killed someone in their dreams before?


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Re: Subconsciously depressed/consciously happy & content? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22089707 - 08/14/15 12:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I don't know how you arrived at a diagnosis of BPD, but  you might be correct. I was married to a BPD and alcoholic wife, who also had Antisocial and Sadistic personality features, for 1/3 of my life before I finally left her. It was the infidelity (that I discovered) that prompted me to file for divorce the morning after her admission of the act. I don't think your unconscious is the issue here, your marriage is. You are suppressing and/or repressing anger, just as I did for my entire life until I left the marriage. In fact, I believe that by allowing unexpressed anger to fester, and by "eating myself up alive" as the expression goes, that a suspicious mole I'd been cautioned about morphed into malignant melanoma, level 3, and could've killed me. That put the fear of God into me and after the surgery, I took myself to the gym and turned that negative emotional energy into kinetic energy and into improved physical and mental health.

I think you need to decide whether your marriage is salvageable. Mine was not, although I never dreamed of divorce. I prayed for the marriage, but she was truly a malevolent person who made statements about putting broken glass in my food, for example. She stopped talking to my parents or seeing them, and would go for a week without talking to me. My ex-wife was a horribly toxic woman who never really took marriage vows seriously. I heard that young children at the school where she still teaches (after having retired and a 3rd failed marriage) run from her and call her "the witch." Right from the mouth of babes. I even started referring to her as Miss Gulch to my BFF right after we married, and my late analyst referred to her as Baba Yaga - the cannabalistic witch of Russian folklore. We can't all be wrong. :lol: After 4 years of saving money, dating, and recuperation from 13 years of bad relationship, I met my present wife, bought my first house, and have had the happiest 19 years of my life. :yesnod: I wish happiness for you too!


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Re: Subconsciously depressed/consciously happy & content? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #22089799 - 08/14/15 01:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Oh wow. I just read your other thread as well as this one and the extra page about the BPD someone else posted. Heavy heavy stuff. I actually thought I had BPD a little bit ago, but within the last month I was diagnosed with PTSD and possible ADHD. Plus after reading other things about it I'm pretty sure I'm not really BPD, but I do have major trust issues and abandonment issues. Most nightmares of mine are about abandonment.

It's very interesting about your dreams of killing someone. I've never killed anyone in my dreams except during my zombie apocalypse dreams. But it could be a manifestation of 'silencing' an aspect of yourself. Especially since you mentioned someone was sent to kill you, I can only imagine that would signify intentional/unintentional hurt from a loved one and your repressing your anger in dealing with it. Especially since you do seem oddly optimistic in this situation as others have mentioned. I think you need to get mad about this. And let it out. You're probably just in shock right now and eventually it will come out into your conscious.

I congratulate you on your handling of the situation too tho. But perhaps along with your meditative and happy activities, you also try to do something physically demanding that could get aggression out, such as kickboxing or something. I have alot of problems with rage inside myself and it might benefit you to do something like that. It needs to come out healthy.


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Re: Subconsciously depressed/consciously happy & content? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #22089800 - 08/14/15 01:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't know how you arrived at a diagnosis of BPD, but  you might be correct. I was married to a BPD and alcoholic wife, who also had Antisocial and Sadistic personality features, for 1/3 of my life before I finally left her. It was the infidelity (that I discovered) that prompted me to file for divorce the morning after her admission of the act. I don't think your unconscious is the issue here, your marriage is. You are suppressing and/or repressing anger, just as I did for my entire life until I left the marriage. In fact, I believe that by allowing unexpressed anger to fester, and by "eating myself up alive" as the expression goes, that a suspicious mole I'd been cautioned about morphed into malignant melanoma, level 3, and could've killed me. That put the fear of God into me and after the surgery, I took myself to the gym and turned that negative emotional energy into kinetic energy and into improved physical and mental health.

I think you need to decide whether your marriage is salvageable. Mine was not, although I never dreamed of divorce. I prayed for the marriage, but she was truly a malevolent person who made statements about putting broken glass in my food, for example. She stopped talking to my parents or seeing them, and would go for a week without talking to me. My ex-wife was a horribly toxic woman who never really took marriage vows seriously. I heard that young children at the school where she still teaches (after having retired and a 3rd failed marriage) run from her and call her "the witch." Right from the mouth of babes. I even started referring to her as Miss Gulch to my BFF right after we married, and my late analyst referred to her as Baba Yaga - the cannabalistic witch of Russian folklore. We can't all be wrong. :lol: After 4 years of saving money, dating, and recuperation from 13 years of bad relationship, I met my present wife, bought my first house, and have had the happiest 19 years of my life. :yesnod: I wish happiness for you too!





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Re: Subconsciously depressed/consciously happy & content? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22089949 - 08/14/15 03:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've killed people in my dreams before. I think it's supposed to represent you "killing" an aspect of yourself. I've also had a dream that my partner teamed up with this woman who was chasing me and trying to kill me. They caught me in the end, and she was about to kill me, but just as I woke up at this point, I had this thought that he was about to turn on her and kill her instead. Weird.


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    #22091575 - 08/14/15 02:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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    #22092035 - 08/14/15 05:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You're a good man JSB :thumbup:


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Re: Subconsciously depressed/consciously happy & content? [Re: pachoo]
    #22097894 - 08/16/15 08:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks!


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    #22112629 - 08/19/15 03:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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But perhaps along with your meditative and happy activities, you also try to do something physically demanding that could get aggression out, such as kickboxing or something. I have alot of problems with rage inside myself and it might benefit you to do something like that. It needs to come out healthy.



Thanks for the positive thoughts and words pachoo. I'm pretty hardcore when it comes to exercise; I spend 1-1.5 hours a day in the gym pushing as much weight as I possibly can (been doing this for 14 years now) along with cardio work, so I have a pretty healthy outlet.


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I think you need to decide whether your marriage is salvageable.



Thanks so much for your input Markos - I was hoping you would chip in as I know from your previous posts your ex-wife had BPD. I think you're spot on with what you said above. My wife has been in rehab for a week now to fix her alcohol addiction which is part of the condition of my giving her another chance, which shows some promise at least - the last time she went in she bailed out after only 4 days. I have no idea how things are gonna play out when she comes out in 3 weeks; at the moment I feel very 50/50 about the chance of our relationship surviving.

As I've been getting further involved in work with my therapist (I'm now 6 sessions in) I feel some very interesting points are coming to light. It's almost like my wife has been deliberately (although I suspect subconsciously) working to sabotage our relationship - I'm not sure if you can relate to that in terms of your ex-wife, but I really don't feel like there's anything more she could do to push me away.

The suspicion is that she's projecting all of the anger she has towards her abusive father onto me - I am quite like him in many ways and the more I follow this path of thought the more it makes sense. She still maintains an amicable relationship with him so it stands to reason that resentment is gonna come out somewhere else. Feel like I'm in limbo myself right now as I just don't know if she's gonna really take her illness by the horns from now on - she certainly hasn't done up until this point as far as I can see.

I think I am somewhat responsible for the fact this has all come out (not that I say that in any negative sense); I have provided the kind of safe and loving environment which, AFAIK, she has never before been given, and now all the shit is coming out. Who knows! From now on I really need to think a lot more about me - this seems to be the resounding advice I have received from so many people. Thanks for your support man.


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It all rolls into one.



I have absolutely no idea what you mean by this. Could you clarify please?


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Re: Subconsciously depressed/consciously happy & content? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22113190 - 08/19/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:thumbup:

I'm rooting for ya man!! Def focus on yourself. You can't do anything for her except be there bc of your own choice.

I saw you do weights and stuff so that's awesome. You work out an intense amount. I feel so lazy now. Hahaha *pats belly*


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Re: Subconsciously depressed/consciously happy & content? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22113763 - 08/19/15 07:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So permeated with fear of, or expectation of abandonment, abandonment itself seems to become the basis for a world-view for someone with BPD! Rather than have one's very world-view destroyed (by a man with loyalty and integrity), a Borderline might do everything in her power to bring about such an abandonment, if only to prove that she was right all the time. Then she can continue with her Borderline 'splitting' of you into villain or hero, ending upon the villain perception of you. This need for Unconditional Positive Regard (unconditional love) is necessary as a baby, by it wears thin in a marriage if she violates trust again and again and again. It does the same damage to you as was done to her. It is like forcing one's spouse to suffer the same grievous disappointments as she suffered as a child. But this is in spite of herself because it won't make you closer, it will recapitulate the abandonment from childhood by the father by forcing her husband to abandon her too. You cannot build anything but a profoundly sick relationship on mutual pain, the Tollean "pain body." It's a very toxic and cyclical process.

In my own sad situation, I thought forgiveness was my attempt to transcend the hurt and resentment caused by my ex-wife, that I was acting in a saintly capacity. But I discovered that saintliness must not exclude oneself, otherwise it is simply a masochistic martyr-complex. I was not saintly, I had developed Co-Dependent Personality Disorder. I am just as worthy of kindness as anyone else, but the more I tolerated her emotional abuse, the more contempt she had for me. She must have thought that I was quite the fool to continue taking all her shit, and so in even greater contempt, she escalated her sick game. When I discovered infidelity (there may have been more), I filed for divorce the minute my colleague's law office opened the next morning. That was the line I had drawn in the sand that she crossed. My co-dependency is long gone. I wouldn't tolerate 2 minutes of the behavior that I chose to live with back then. It was a painful lesson to learn, and now I want to help others extricate themselves from the spider's web before all the life has been sucked out of them.


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    #22113795 - 08/19/15 07:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've never been around anything like this, this is fascinating.


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Re: Subconsciously depressed/consciously happy & content? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #22113815 - 08/19/15 07:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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So permeated with fear of, or expectation of abandonment, abandonment itself seems to become the basis for a world-view for someone with BPD! Rather than have one's very world-view destroyed (by a man with loyalty and integrity), a Borderline might do everything in her power to bring about such an abandonment, if only to prove that she was right all the time. Then she can continue with her Borderline 'splitting' of you into villain or hero, ending upon the villain perception of you. This need for Unconditional Positive Regard (unconditional love) is necessary as a baby, by it wears thin in a marriage if she violates trust again and again and again. It does the same damage to you as was done to her. It is like forcing one's spouse to suffer the same grievous disappointments as she suffered as a child. But this is in spite of herself because it won't make you closer, it will recapitulate the abandonment from childhood by the father by forcing her husband to abandon her too. You cannot build anything but a profoundly sick relationship on mutual pain, the Tollean "pain body." It's a very toxic and cyclical process.

In my own sad situation, I thought forgiveness was my attempt to transcend the hurt and resentment caused by my ex-wife, that I was acting in a saintly capacity. But I discovered that saintliness must not exclude oneself, otherwise it is simply a masochistic martyr-complex. I was not saintly, I had developed Co-Dependent Personality Disorder. I am just as worthy of kindness as anyone else, but the more I tolerated her emotional abuse, the more contempt she had for me. She must have thought that I was quite the fool to continue taking all her shit, and so in even greater contempt, she escalated her sick game. When I discovered infidelity (there may have been more), I filed for divorce the minute my colleague's law office opened the next morning. That was the line I had drawn in the sand that she crossed. My co-dependency is long gone. I wouldn't tolerate 2 minutes of the behavior that I chose to live with back then. It was a painful lesson to learn, and now I want to help others extricate themselves from the spider's web before all the life has been sucked out of them.




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Re: Subconsciously depressed/consciously happy & content? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #22115389 - 08/20/15 05:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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So permeated with fear of, or expectation of abandonment, abandonment itself seems to become the basis for a world-view for someone with BPD! Rather than have one's very world-view destroyed (by a man with loyalty and integrity), a Borderline might do everything in her power to bring about such an abandonment, if only to prove that she was right all the time. Then she can continue with her Borderline 'splitting' of you into villain or hero, ending upon the villain perception of you. This need for Unconditional Positive Regard (unconditional love) is necessary as a baby, by it wears thin in a marriage if she violates trust again and again and again. It does the same damage to you as was done to her. It is like forcing one's spouse to suffer the same grievous disappointments as she suffered as a child. But this is in spite of herself because it won't make you closer, it will recapitulate the abandonment from childhood by the father by forcing her husband to abandon her too. You cannot build anything but a profoundly sick relationship on mutual pain, the Tollean "pain body." It's a very toxic and cyclical process.



Ah Markos, I think you hit the nail on the head right there man! That's pretty much the conclusion I have come to. A close friend of hers spent the night with me the other night (he's been one of her confidants throughout this rough time) and it seems she has very much painted me in the light of 'villain' (I was definitely once a 'hero' too). He was saddened after getting to know me that he had been mislead into thinking that I was one based on her words alone.

I know I certainly won't stand for another instance of her toxic behavior, and I'm mentally preparing myself to leave if that is what I must do to protect myself (at this stage I'm kinda expecting that's what it's gonna be, but I am trying to remain as free of preconceptions as possible - surely BPD is not entirely incurable?). I know that there's a good person in her, but I just don't know if it will ever be allowed to come to light due to all of the damage done by her very, very toxic parents.

I guess that's the biggest factor in my uncertainty about our future; I'm not gonna be the same person the next time she sees me in three weeks time. I can feel a quite profound transformation taking place within myself as I've been forced into analysing our entire four years together and the way have I acted within that time. Two of them were indescribably amazing, and the following two have been a steady decline towards a hellish existence. It makes me question just how genuine those first two years of bliss were. Did you have a similar experience to this, in terms of good at first, then slowly declining after?

I can totally relate to your discovery that saintliness must not exclude oneself. I count it as a blessing that I have discovered this after only two years, and that I have had so many amazing people around me to support me, yourself included. Thank you.


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Re: Subconsciously depressed/consciously happy & content? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22116662 - 08/20/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You're welcome for any help that my words have brought about. Personality Disorders are, to use a simile, like an astigmatism, a 'dimple' on the otherwise perfectly hemispherical cornea of the eye. I have such a dimple at the 5:00 position of my eye, and so, I'll see a capital 'L' instead of an 'I,' or a 'Q' instead of an 'O.' To further the analogy, lets say that the different locations of an astigmatism of (eye and 'I') represents a different personality disorder. The Borderline's personality is warped to distort perception along all the symptomatic lines of that disorder, the Paranoid Personality Disorder has its own typical symptoms, The Avoidant Personality has their's, the Antisocial has their characteristics, etc. All are distortions of interpersonal relationships, just as astigmatisms at different locations of the cornea distort perception in specifically characteristic ways. Unfortunately, some disorders include suspiciousness about therapy or medication (e.g., Obsessive-Compulsive Personality), and those with Antisocial Personality Disorder don't want to stop their criminal ways because the rewards are great and you can't give them a conscience! Borderlines are on a continuum. Sometimes they simply mellow with age. Other times another adage may apply: "There are no old Borderlines," as a psychiatric nurse once told me. She gave me her copy of I Hate You, Don't Leave Me.

There ARE therapies which can help normalize Borderline over-reactivity (DBT, CBT). My ex lived in my apartment for 2 years in graduate school, and there were signs of difficulty that I simply blinked. But when I moved to Miami with her, her true colors erupted almost immediately. She could not merely argue, she would immediately jump to "I WAN'T YOU OUT OF HERE!" within months of moving into the fixer-upper that SHE bought without me having seen it. I couldn't get work for a good year, but I spent all that time (and resentfully, her money) building walls, painting, moving a large air conditioner, blocking up the wall, running drain line, etc., etc. Sex was never with any warmth or affection. The one time I 'felt' something and mentioned it, she denied that anything had changed. She had been Very charming when we met, but it was all an act. She was hyper-vigilant and hyper-critical, She was an Ectomorphic INFJ, a Virgo, and she had Antisocial and Sadistic features in addition to Borderline Personality. She also developed Alcohol Dependence, which was more than figuratively throwing fuel on an existing fire. It made her mean and ugly. Lying, cheating, and stealing ensued. She began to evidence transient psychotic symptoms in her rage. A former student of mine was a bag boy at the supermarket. Seeing my ex he asked her how I was. She threw herself on him physically, feigned crying and told him that I was leaving her and wouldn't return her phone calls. The poor high school kid (now a comedian in NYC) was so upset by her histrionic antics, he left work and walked to the school nearby to find me at work. The truth was that she never phoned me and couldn't wait for me to leave. Her lies became major deceptive actions. She was quite mad in my professional opinion.

When I said in an earlier post that I had developed Dependent Personality Disorder, I should correct that. I had developed a situational co-dependency in order to cope with a toxic personality that resulted in me 'walking on eggshells' all the time. Once I left the woman, I began to heal and slowly my personality was restored. Only I became healthier than before. I got in touch with suppressed anger, turned it into kinetic energy at the gym and got physically as well as emotionally stronger. I cannot adequately express how much better my life became after the initial shock, hurt, fear, regret, and anger subsided!
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http://www.imdb.com/search/title?keywords=borderline-personality-disorder&title_type=feature,tv_movie,documentary
http://www.borderlinepersonalitytreatment.com/borderline-personality-disorder-movies.html
http://gettinbetter.com/award.html
https://myborderlinemind.wordpress.com/bpd-bipolar-in-films/


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Re: Subconsciously depressed/consciously happy & content? [Re: pachoo]
    #22116666 - 08/20/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks again pachoo. :cheers:


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Re: Subconsciously depressed/consciously happy & content? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22116787 - 08/20/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I've never been around anything like this, this is fascinating.




This is true of evil. You might want to observe an exorcism, but you sure as Hell don't want to be the oppressed or possessed victim. :nono:


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    #22116812 - 08/20/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Duly noted.


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    #22169042 - 08/31/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Just wanted to add an update for all those lovely people that have given their input regarding this difficult situation I'm in.

I saw my wife for the first time on Thursday; she seems to be throwing herself into the group work (pretty much 9am-9pm in rehab) and is uncovering repressed memories and things she'd 'never even admitted to herself before' through that work. I have high hopes for the work she's doing in there, added to be the fact that she's intending to go on to a further three months of in-patient care at another centre which works on AT. She says that she feels that it is the intensity of work, coupled with the risk of losing me, which is driving her to work in such a hard and committed manner.

So there is hope yet I feel. She's certainly not as far gone as your ex-wife Markos, so I maintain a positive outlook at this stage. It's pretty hard dealing with the loneliness though; after living with someone for three years, the concept of spending a quarter of a year in that same house alone is pretty daunting, especially when work blocks a lot of social possibilities (which never felt like a problem when I had constant company in the house). It is however holding up a bit of a light to my projected self image of always being 'strong' - which, although painful in seeing it dissolve, will be very growing in the long term IMO as I work closer to my 'core' self. The ongoing therapy is helping a lot, and my therapist has asked me to keep a diary, which is showing itself as more and more helpful the more work I put into it.

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    #22169453 - 08/31/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Woohoo! Glad to hear it man! Keep positive. I know it sucks being without your love when they're going through hard stuff.

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    #22169512 - 08/31/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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But perhaps along with your meditative and happy activities, you also try to do something physically demanding that could get aggression out, such as kickboxing or something. I have alot of problems with rage inside myself and it might benefit you to do something like that. It needs to come out healthy.



Thanks for the positive thoughts and words pachoo. I'm pretty hardcore when it comes to exercise; I spend 1-1.5 hours a day in the gym pushing as much weight as I possibly can (been doing this for 14 years now) along with cardio work, so I have a pretty healthy outlet.


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I think you need to decide whether your marriage is salvageable.



Thanks so much for your input Markos - I was hoping you would chip in as I know from your previous posts your ex-wife had BPD. I think you're spot on with what you said above. My wife has been in rehab for a week now to fix her alcohol addiction which is part of the condition of my giving her another chance, which shows some promise at least - the last time she went in she bailed out after only 4 days. I have no idea how things are gonna play out when she comes out in 3 weeks; at the moment I feel very 50/50 about the chance of our relationship surviving.

As I've been getting further involved in work with my therapist (I'm now 6 sessions in) I feel some very interesting points are coming to light. It's almost like my wife has been deliberately (although I suspect subconsciously) working to sabotage our relationship - I'm not sure if you can relate to that in terms of your ex-wife, but I really don't feel like there's anything more she could do to push me away.

The suspicion is that she's projecting all of the anger she has towards her abusive father onto me - I am quite like him in many ways and the more I follow this path of thought the more it makes sense. She still maintains an amicable relationship with him so it stands to reason that resentment is gonna come out somewhere else. Feel like I'm in limbo myself right now as I just don't know if she's gonna really take her illness by the horns from now on - she certainly hasn't done up until this point as far as I can see.

I think I am somewhat responsible for the fact this has all come out (not that I say that in any negative sense); I have provided the kind of safe and loving environment which, AFAIK, she has never before been given, and now all the shit is coming out. Who knows! From now on I really need to think a lot more about me - this seems to be the resounding advice I have received from so many people. Thanks for your support man.


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It all rolls into one.



I have absolutely no idea what you mean by this. Could you clarify please?


PocketLady & Kickle - thank you both again for your kind words and support.





Pretty sure MtG's ex wife had Borderline personality disorder and your wife has Bipolar Disorder?  Two different things, you can't judge one to other, his advice is pretty much irrelevant (sorry MtG)


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    #22169517 - 08/31/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Woohoo! Glad to hear it man! Keep positive. I know it sucks being without your love when they're going through hard stuff.

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Thanks so much for the good vibes pachoo. It was exactly because you've given them so generously & freely that I put today's update on this thread.

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    #22169710 - 08/31/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Woohoo! Glad to hear it man! Keep positive. I know it sucks being without your love when they're going through hard stuff.

:heart::peace::hug:




Thanks so much for the good vibes pachoo. It was exactly because you've given them so generously & freely that I put today's update on this thread.

I really appreciate it.





Well goddamn. What a compliment. I was thinking about ya this weekend wondering how it was going. :smile:

No problem on the good vibes. I know sometimes I may look odd caring, but I'm really like that in person. Got alot of feels for everyone. Hahah

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Re: Subconsciously depressed/consciously happy & content? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #22169725 - 08/31/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Pretty sure MtG's ex wife had Borderline personality disorder and your wife has Bipolar Disorder?  Two different things, you can't judge one to other, his advice is pretty much irrelevant (sorry MtG)





Hrmm... I was looking at this the other day too wondering. Apparently they get confused alot... But I don't know, I think Jokes wife might really be BPD. It seems more like it when he mentioned the whole "relationship sabotage" and attack on him. Especially when it happens alot from perceived abandonment. Or her mental confusion of Joke being the same persona as her father. More of a reality than actual moods. Plus she was diagnosed as BPD right?

Uhh... now I'm starting to confuse myself a bit.


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Re: Subconsciously depressed/consciously happy & content? [Re: pachoo]
    #22169809 - 08/31/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

No, no, you're right on the mark pachoo, it's BPD. Not yet an 'official' diagnosis, but her psychiatrist has strongly suggested this to be the case. Added to that the reading I've done on the subject (and bearing in mind I know her better than anyone), and I'm pretty damn sure it's right. But then I'm not one to lean to heavily on specific diagnoses - shit, if you look at the ICD-10 (or some such diagnostic manual) they make it waaaaay too easy to categorise people IMO.

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No problem on the good vibes. I know sometimes I may look odd caring, but I'm really like that in person. Got alot of feels for everyone. Hahah



What a sad world we live in, that anyone could possibly feel 'odd' for caring. I know the feeling, but it's a fucking sorry state of affairs that one can feel that way for being kind and compassionate.


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Re: Subconsciously depressed/consciously happy & content? [Re: pachoo]
    #22169810 - 08/31/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

what's always a bit confusing to me is that BPD could stand for either border-line personality disorder or bipolar disorder :smile:

wishing you the best of luck on this JSB :smile: !


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Re: Subconsciously depressed/consciously happy & content? [Re: deff]
    #22170337 - 08/31/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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what's always a bit confusing to me is that BPD could stand for either border-line personality disorder or bipolar disorder :smile:

wishing you the best of luck on this JSB :smile: !



I've known people with both conditions intimately; they're equally crippling IMO, although bipolar is easier to treat.

Thanks for the kind words deff, as always man. Peace to you brother!


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