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First grow attempt very problematic-some input would be loved
    #22068686 - 08/09/15 06:23 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Hey everyone, this was my first grow attempt I'm not going to post pictures of the inoculation as its pretty much the same either contaminated or not(From my experience). I'm going to tell you the story and my experience up to now and see what you thing maybe some advice. June 28th I started the whole process. Ordered 3 syringes of golden teach off of a reputable vendor! :laugh:. Did pretty well sterilizing everything in my opinion. I did the brf and vermiculite blend. Put in 1\2 pint jars created 6 jars. 5 sterilized 1 not to see what a contamination might end up looking like.(very green gray and nasty btw) noticed in like 3 days. So I pressure cooked 5 jars aluminum foil on top 2 holes in lid of jars for 1.5 hours. Let cool for many hours by the night I was innoculating. They were cool. So I heat needle face mask on gloves ect. I put roughly 2 cc each jar one syringe for all 5 jars. Now this is were I start creating and seeing problems. I placed them with aluminum foil still on them in a very lysol filled closet. Lol. I put them in a plastic container with a black trash bag over them. I had 2 lights set up to heat to 86deg I know....big mistake. They overheated. Instant contamination on one jar. Read up on what I'm doing wrong so I took all jars out of container left them room temp with no light in closet tin foil still on top. 2 weeks go by and barely half mycelium growth. Very slow!!!!! Waited one more week and by this time 2 jars have contamination green mold. Threw out. Now down to three jars. I left for a 2 week vacation and they were fully colonized. Immediately get home and rinse and dunk. I didn't feel like cooking verm in oven so I didn't roll the cakes. Placed in sgfc and now it's been almost 2 weeks and I'm getting good pins and growth. First I was weary of them growing. As I didn't roll and it's my first time. And there is a copper substance on them as you will see. Doesn't affect growth so f*** it. Anyway I'm down to 2 cakes now the one on the far right in the sgfc got green mold from the bottom of the cake. I'm assuming because it had moisture on lid of jar and there is brown verm on botTom of the cakes still. I couldn't rub all off during dunk. Anyway enough of my typing here they are and let me know what you think...

First 2 pics are the current growth and the 2 cakes left.


Any questions plz don't hesitate to ask
And yes there are holes on all 6 sides of sgfc and I fan 5 or 6 times on weekend. 3 to 4 during week. I don't mist cakes I spray on walls inside container to keep humidity at 99% temp is 77 avg 69 low 77high

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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22068778 - 08/09/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Tips:

1. Always sterilize all jars. (cover whole lid with foil, not just inoculation points)
2. Take foil off after sterilization - contam risk
3. Only use 1cc per jar of inoculant; more could fuck up your moisture content.
4. Don't incubate in a trash bag in a closet. The lysol is not going to help you.
5. 86F is too hot. It was probably even hotter inside the jars, just sayin'. Huge contam risk.

Now for the pics:

The orange in first pic looks like metabolites (which are ok).
I see a blue/green contam in second pic.
Third pic has metabolites on top right cake.
4th pic I see more metabolites and hyphal knotting.
5th pic those pins do not look healthy, but let them grow and see if it gets better.
I see contams in the last pic.


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: bluegill]
    #22068789 - 08/09/15 06:44 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Definitely what bluegill said

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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: bluegill]
    #22068795 - 08/09/15 06:45 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Rolling the cakes is for moisture retention. You need to spray the cakes and fan right afterwards. This will cause evaporation and induce pinning. If I were you I would double end case them for water supply since you didn't roll em

Edited by PinPornProducer (08/09/15 06:46 PM)

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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: bluegill]
    #22068803 - 08/09/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

So what you are saying is Im all ate up. I learned from most of the mistakes I didn't know about the more than 1 cc was too much misture didn't think about that thank you.

As for the pics. In the second one do you think it could be bruising from when I handled the cake to change out perlight? There is another slightly bigger spot of blue on the second cake. It worries me because that cake has the biggest growth on it.

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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22068806 - 08/09/15 06:47 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

What do you mean by double end case them pinporn?

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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22068825 - 08/09/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It might be bruising from handling, but it really looks like a contam. Please take a pic.

Time will certainly tell. I think you should continue to grow them.


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22068834 - 08/09/15 06:50 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

venemenese said:
What do you mean by double end case them pinporn?



verm on top and bottom:super:


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22068840 - 08/09/15 06:53 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Double and case is using hydrated pateurized verm on top and bottom of the cakes. Put a thick layer of verm on the lids, set the cakes on the verm and a good spoon full of verm on top of the cakes. As the cakes pull the moisture from the verm, you replace it by spraying

You don't even have to pasteurize the verm really

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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #22068886 - 08/09/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Thank you very much pinpoint and shhhhh.
Do you think I should do it after I flush and dunk? The weird thing to me is that most of the pins and growth is on the bottom where there is mild moist verm still. Weird?



And this is the best pic I can get. I noticed the start of the mark on top went away. But as I just sprayed and fanned I knocked over the cake with the possible contamination. Lucky me. Perlight coat ftw.

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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22068909 - 08/09/15 07:08 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

So what your saying bluegill, is 2 of 5 maybe 1 of 5 good not contaminated is not bad? Haha. I did good or nah?

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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22068935 - 08/09/15 07:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I would double end case asap

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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #22068944 - 08/09/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Will it affect the growing mushrooms on the bottom?? Pinporn

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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22068949 - 08/09/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yea, in a positive way :thumbup:

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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #22068958 - 08/09/15 07:17 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

So to be 100% thorough...take verm heat to 350 for a good min then wet and let drain and put on top and bottom and spray daily? Keep nice and moist?

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    #22068982 - 08/09/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

You can bake the verm if you want but it's not necessary, just hydrate and case

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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #22068988 - 08/09/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Is there any reason we're not just doing the dunk and roll here?


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #22068993 - 08/09/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Just one more question. How do you suggest I spray the bottom case?
And I really appreciate the input pinporn.

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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: Inocuole]
    #22069001 - 08/09/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Had got some big pins growing so I suggested dec since he didn't roll right away :shrug:

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    #22069006 - 08/09/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Inocuole, the reason I only dunked for 24 hours and didn't roll in verm was because I didn't want to bake the verm for 1.5 hours and make a mess and deal with the clean up. I feel like I need to bakeep the verm as I'm worried it's very contaminated.

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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22069012 - 08/09/15 07:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Why are you worried so much about the verm?  Most people just sprinkle it right out of the bag.  :shrug:  Is it old or something?


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    #22069014 - 08/09/15 07:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

When you spray the cakes just spray the bottom edges of the verm

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    #22069024 - 08/09/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Oh alright. Do you think the nasty verm will not contaminate it? It's not really sealed I bought of ebay

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    #22069040 - 08/09/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Just spray a little heavy at the bottom edges of the cake, the verm under the cake will pull the moisture in from the outter edges

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    #22069098 - 08/09/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Do you think the nasty verm will not contaminate it? It's not really sealed I bought off of ebay. Not sure if the mycelium and mushroom growth so far is vulnerable.

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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22069240 - 08/09/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The cake will be fine because they are fully ccolonized. You got some contamned cakes because of dirty inoculant. Remember, the cakes are in open air and are being sprayed with tap water, they are being exposed to more contams than you think

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    #22069333 - 08/09/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Alright. I heard that they are pretty strong because they are fully colonized that's why I think the one cake is only bruised and not contaminated. They were fine before I moved and touched them. Thank you very mucheap pinporn. You have been very helpful!!

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    #22069403 - 08/09/15 08:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Inocuole I'm worried about the Verm because 3 out of my 5 cakes had contams. Now one more maybe

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    #22069428 - 08/09/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

If the cakes are contamd it was due to dirty inoculant, early birthing and/or poor sterile techniques. The verm will not effect the cakes in a negative way if the cake is healthy/clean/fully colonized and if it has a hidden contam before birthing it will contaminate with or without the verm

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    #22069504 - 08/09/15 09:03 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)



Sounds good to me just trying to be positive hopefully they do well in these conditions. Now one more question. When I mist and water gets on the cakes and mushies after I fan and there is still water on them will it affect them? I guess I'm curious how water directly affects the mycelium?

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    #22069541 - 08/09/15 09:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

After you spray you wanna fan, if there is still water on the cake and pins when you go to spray again then just fan. You want the water to absorb/evaporate before spraying again. You just need to find what works best for your environment. You don't want the cakes waterlogged

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    #22069551 - 08/09/15 09:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I have old verm sitting in my attic.

I will not be baking this before I use it.


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    #22069552 - 08/09/15 09:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Got it. Thanks for all the help. I'll keep you all posted throughout the next few weeks with pics and questions if any.

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    #22073837 - 08/10/15 09:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

So I'm wondering what is growing on this cake. Looks blue idk. I've handled this cake quite a bit since I but the case on it. Everything else looks fine except that. Nice mushie is on the same cake do you think it will affect it?


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22073843 - 08/10/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

That is an abort.  The other blue spot I see is bruising, or something that aborted before it even pinned.  (I'm prettty sure knots can abort)


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    #22073876 - 08/10/15 09:32 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Okay. No worrying then. Thanks!

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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22074460 - 08/10/15 11:55 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Your cakes look much too dry.  You need to dunk them for 24 hours, then roll them in dry vermiculite to act as a casing layer.  Remember to fan and mist your FC, and don't be afraid to mist the actual cakes.  They should not dry out.  Also, take the hydrometer out of there, it isn't needed.  Make sure your perlite is wet, and mist the sides and top of you FC every time you fan to ensure the humidity remains high in the midst of high FAE.

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    #22074947 - 08/11/15 05:51 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I figured they were dry. Should I wait to dunk them? Like wait till this flush?

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    #22074967 - 08/11/15 06:00 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I have the top and bottom cased with verm. I am going to start spraying more. And get verm really wet if needed. I won't spray again until water is evaporated off the mushies. I also cannot fan as much as I would like during the week because I am at work from 6am until 5pm sometimes. I know that will slow down growth.

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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22075423 - 08/11/15 09:02 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Some of this doesn't apply but what does may help:

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taGyo said:
Fanning is not FAE. FAE is the passive act of air exchange, reducing CO2 levels and increasing O2. Mushrooms are closer to humans then plants so imagine if I put you in a room with a limited supply of oxygen and expected you to not only live but produce a Mona Lisa at the same time. You would suffer and probably die while drawing stick figures.

In the wild mushrooms are CONSTANTLY blasted by fresh air. There are very few places on Earth that are 100% humidity all the time. Mushrooms like fluctuation, this is what they're used to.

I've done a few cakes and a bunch of monotubs. You don't want it to be WET honestly. You want it to get a little dry before you mist again. Pins form from water evaporating on the surface. How do you think I knew you were over-misting and recommended that you cut down? Because those cakes look like they're getting loved to death. Without a proper environment the cakes won't pin.

DO NOT FAN IN BETWEEN MISTINGS. Fanning is to quickly destroy the environment so the fresh air coming in will have to pull more water from the perlite (Which you should also be misting lightly) to restart the humidity. This gives your cakes a jump start on the drying process and also wicks away excessive moisture from the cakes.

The reason why they're growing out like that past the dry verm layer is because they're getting over-saturated which is telling them they're not supposed to pin yet. Mushrooms don't like overly wet environments. Your SGFC should be 6-12" away from the wall and 6-12" away from the floor. In the middle of the room is ideal.

In the future the oven isn't necessary. But use it if you like.

DON'T ROLL FOR THE SECOND FLUSH.

Are their holes on the bottom? Raise that higher. Do you have qt jars?




Did you dunk already for the first flush? If you did then don't dunk again. You can't roll that cake second flush but you should have rolled it the first. Make sure your SGFC is not in a closet.


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    #22075571 - 08/11/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Hmm very helpful. I feel like I may be over fanning a bit then. I try to let the water dry before misting and fanning. I'm not worried about going almost all day without fanning now. I mist before I leave and fan then when I get home at like 5 there isn't any water on them and I misthink and fan. Then I keep fanning till I go to bed every hour or 2. Maybe too much. I won't dunk again then. I'll just roll and mist then fan like usual. Very helpful info taGyo! I've noticed I'm not getting any pinning anymore. This could be from lack of water? When I first birthed them I didn't let much if any water get on them.

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    #22077398 - 08/11/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yup mist them directly :thumbup:


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    #22078257 - 08/11/15 08:03 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

So let me know where I'm wrong but now I'm thinking I shouldn't fan as much? Only when I mist?

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    #22078324 - 08/11/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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    #22078326 - 08/11/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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    #22078464 - 08/11/15 08:39 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

So like 2 times a day? Maybe 3

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    #22078472 - 08/11/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

2 times a day, 3 if needed. When it looks dry mist. Not sure if I posted this here already but verm glitters when wet and looks more like sand when it's dry.


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    #22078861 - 08/11/15 09:53 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Ohhhh okay. Awesome. I ready somewhere to fan like 5 times a day so I've been fanning like crazy. But now I just miss and fan 2 or 3 times. If it's damp and still a bit compact don't mist? Only mist when it's not moist?

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    #22078865 - 08/11/15 09:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Correct.  Wait til it's visibly no longer glistening then mist.


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    #22080422 - 08/12/15 08:44 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I may have wet it too much haha. Yesterday I started spraying like crazy in the morning and they are still a bit damp to the touch.

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Progress so far as of this morning.

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    #22080925 - 08/12/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The biggest mistake most cultivators make is killing their shrooms with love.

Get the hygrometer out of ther, it's not necessary. You could use a touch more FAE but good job so far.


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    #22081458 - 08/12/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The hygrometer let's me know the moisture content though. I like knowing when the humidity drops below 80. And what the temp is. And when I spray water I spray the same amount on the hygrometer to see how much it is. I just feel better having it in there. If I had more cakes I would take it out. It's like a confidence booster for me. Hah.

What do you mean by a touch more of FAE? Like fanning?

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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22081503 - 08/12/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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The hygrometer let's me know the moisture content though. I like knowing when the humidity drops below 80. And what the temp is. And when I spray water I spray the same amount on the hygrometer to see how much it is. I just feel better having it in there. If I had more cakes I would take it out. It's like a confidence booster for me. Hah.

What do you mean by a touch more of FAE? Like fanning?



Great well it's boosting your confidence in the wrong direction, since there's no way that thing is measuring the humidity level accurately from where it's at, and there's DEFINITELY no way it's measuring the humidity level at the surface of the cakes where it matters.

Humidity is supposed to fluctuate.  If you're going by some arbitrary number on a digital hygrometer then you're just holding yourself back from seeing the real signs you're supposed to be looking for.


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    #22081717 - 08/12/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Alright I gotcha. I'll take it out. Whas a big sign of too much misting the cakes? Or not enough?

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    #22081845 - 08/12/15 03:06 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

If it's too wet you'll see it being too wet.  It will have pooled water on it and it won't dry up within a few hours.  The mycelium around the base of the fruits may start to look a little translucent, that's a good indication it's waterlogged and that usually causes aborts.  The main issue here is that the mycelium needs to breathe.  Evaporation has to be consistently occurring throughout the whole fruiting cycle.

Too dry is obviously the opposite.  You want there to be some glistening and beads of moisture on the surface.  As long as it's not pooling or suffocating the mycelium it's fine, if the mycelium is dull and dry, it has to be misted or it'll begin to affect your yield as well.


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Great well it's boosting your confidence in the wrong direction, since there's no way that thing is measuring the humidity level accurately from where it's at, and there's DEFINITELY no way it's measuring the humidity level at the surface of the cakes where it matters.

Humidity is supposed to fluctuate.  If you're going by some arbitrary number on a digital hygrometer then you're just holding yourself back from seeing the real signs you're supposed to be looking for.



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If it's too wet you'll see it being too wet.  It will have pooled water on it and it won't dry up within a few hours.  The mycelium around the base of the fruits may start to look a little translucent, that's a good indication it's waterlogged and that usually causes aborts.  The main issue here is that the mycelium needs to breathe.  Evaporation has to be consistently occurring throughout the whole fruiting cycle.

Too dry is obviously the opposite.  You want there to be some glistening and beads of moisture on the surface.  As long as it's not pooling or suffocating the mycelium it's fine, if the mycelium is dull and dry, it has to be misted or it'll begin to affect your yield as well.



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    #22082882 - 08/12/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I think that cakes are too dry right now. They didn't have any water on them for like a week after the flush. They are light to pick up. I feel like they could be growing a bit faster maybe. But I'm no expert. I'll post new pics from 9 hours after last posted pics

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They only slightly grew but the big one by itself, the veil has slight tears in it. I'm not sure how to really pick them. What I mean by this is what order if any at all. Soo should I wait for them to all get mature then pick them all. Or pick them as they go?

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I pick them as they mature... I like to gently twist and pull right after the veil breaks.


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    #22083363 - 08/12/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Probably won't work now if some are already contaminated, but for future reference if you ever start to see signs of contam soon enough you can use a water/peroxide mixture and lightly mist tub. I normally just add a cap full to my spray bottle.

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Probably won't work now if some are already contaminated, but for future reference if you ever start to see signs of contam soon enough you can use a water/peroxide mixture and lightly mist tub. I normally just add a cap full to my spray bottle.



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They aren't contaminated!?

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    #22083603 - 08/12/15 09:42 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Peroxide only works on cobweb mold and will harm mycelium slightly. They look fine. You need to somehow up the fae. Can you post a pic of your tub where it's set up?

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It's in a den. Like right in the middle of the room on a futon bed frame. Sitting on 2 pieces of 1x4 wood about 3 to 4 inches appart. It gets pretty good circulation up there. There is one window 7oclock of the mushies. Before I was fanning too much now not enough. Idk how to get more fae without fanning and the holes in the box. There is also a fan that is running most of the day but it's not over the box it's in the other room. I will post a pic later today. They seem to be doing okay. One thing I'm curious about is pinning. I'm not seeing anymore pins forming. There are about 10 growths. 2 mature now and the rest still growing but there isn't any more pinning. Should it always be pinning? Or is it just after you dunk and roll again? How do you induce pinning?

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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22084975 - 08/13/15 05:54 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

looks like you arent getting enough FAE.

is the chamber properly elevated and have at least a couple feet clearance on all sides?
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The bottom holes are probably clogged a bit. I'll have to check. But it has plenty of room all around it it seems like they might be too dry because they are like cracking. The top of one split into 4 parts and the stem of one slit and is now bruised. Maybe you can see them but they are wet to the touch.


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    #22085586 - 08/13/15 09:57 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

That big guy is ready :thumbup:.

The other guys will be by the end of the day or early next morning. You can pick them now though if you wanted.


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    #22085844 - 08/13/15 10:31 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I'm waiting till tonight to pick the big guy because I had to clean my dehydrator. Damn beef jerky juice everywhere haha

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So how do I induce pinning? I don't see any more?

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    #22086160 - 08/13/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Haha makes sense. :smile:

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    #22088540 - 08/13/15 06:33 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)



Little guys veils broke quick. Hopefully get 2g from these 3 dry. I'm fanning a bit more now. Should I run the butts under some water and use a brush to get the glitter off?

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    #22088624 - 08/13/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Don't ever run mushrooms under water.  Just use a toothbrush or your fingernails.


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I'm lazy lol, monotubs/cakes I just cut the bases of the mushrooms off and toss em

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I don't have enough to start losing weight! I'm only gonna have enough for like 2 trips. Maybe 3 lol

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Someday you will :awesomenod:

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    #22088657 - 08/13/15 07:10 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Then you definitely don't want to put water on them and skew the weight even more.  I use pruning shears and I take very thin slices off the base to get all the nasty shit off.


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Yea man, when your harvesting tubs all the damn time that cleaning shit gets old real quick lol

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I have began to notice that if the cakes are lighter than when you first placed them in the terrarium, either they have used much of the water to put out their fruits, or they are getting very dried out. I would go with what tagYo says.

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Hopefully in a month I will be able to experience their preciousness

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Someday....sadly I'm staying with a friend who let's me grow and I have to move out the end of the month. Hopeing to get the second flush before I move

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Think I can get the second flush within the month?

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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: Inocuole]
    #22089028 - 08/13/15 08:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Based on recent experience I'd say the vendor is the likely cause of your contamination problems.

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    #22089050 - 08/13/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Based on recent experience I'd say the vendor is the likely cause of your contamination problems.




I was gonna address the fallacy of this but then I realized that in order for you to know this, OP would have had to include a vendor name in his post, which he did, and that needs addressing just a bit more.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14960167  I don't believe the rules only apply to sponsors, but all vendors.  I see you edited your post once already, surprised you couldn't find the time to fix that.


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: Inocuole]
    #22089143 - 08/13/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Oh woops! My bad. Didn't realize this happened.

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    #22091943 - 08/14/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)




Should I pick the first one? The veil broke so soon. I know the second one is good. But the first one is so small

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    #22091944 - 08/14/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The first one isn't going to get any bigger so you might as well pick it now.  Thems' the ropes with improper conditions. :shrug:  It'll still make you trip at least.


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    #22091967 - 08/14/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Iight. I figured. I've been fanning a lot more and since i didn't mist right for about a week or 2 Im misting a lot more now too. Not taking weight into account. How many stems and caps. Or mature mushies you think would take to get level 3 at least. I want lvl 4 but I don't have many mushies. 4full caps and stems. One small obviously

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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22092007 - 08/14/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't... really think about the levels of a trip, nor could I tell you an arbitrary number of mushrooms that'll get you there.  Dunno why you wouldn't want to use weight, the only measurement that makes any sense. :shrug:

30g fresh is a pretty good start though, assuming you haven't misted them right before you picked them, which will make them weigh a lot more than they should.


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    #22092056 - 08/14/15 05:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Makes sense. Thanks

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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22092065 - 08/14/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Okay I'd like to clarify that 30g fresh is not a good dose to "start from", it's a good dose to acheive the level you're looking for.  Generally about a dry gram per "level" as they go.  Fresh is a little more potent.


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    #22092211 - 08/14/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Are they potent if they aren't mature?

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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22092398 - 08/14/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, it's possible they're even more potent than if they were mature.  Not mushroom for mushroom, but potency by weight.


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    #22094019 - 08/15/15 08:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeaa...so I ate what I had and I'm guessing it was about 10g wet and 1.1g dry. And I kinda got effects. Not what I was looking for though. I got too impatient. I want to dunk and roll to try a second flush but there are a few mushies on the cakes can I still dunk and roll? Or do I need to wait?

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    #22095715 - 08/15/15 05:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I decided to dunk at noon and there was a almost 3 inch mushie on one cake so I just dunked the cake with the mushie on it. Will the mushie be affected in a negative way?

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    #22095717 - 08/15/15 05:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

naw it will be alright


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    #22098143 - 08/16/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)



Just finished the dunk. Pulled them out of the water 3 hours shy of 24. Finished my first roll. Didn't roll last time. Just curious about how long for the "knots" to grow. And pins to sprout with the Verm all around?

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    #22098768 - 08/16/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You didn't dunk and roll cakes after a first flush, did you..?


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    #22099127 - 08/16/15 03:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I just finished the first(very pathetic) flush. Im pretty sure the cakes were dry. They were very light

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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22099416 - 08/16/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Okay well, rolling after you've already had a flush is a great way to give all the contams that have landed on that cake a great microclimate to flourish in.


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    #22099639 - 08/16/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Wow. Awesome. I only picked like 6 mushies off the cakes. Maybe it will be fine?

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    #22099659 - 08/16/15 05:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Generally you want to roll only right after birthing, and not again.  Rolling is the same as adding a casing layer and that's not something I've ever seen recommended after any sort of a flush.  Maybe it'll be okay.  I just would avoid doing that in the future where possible. :shrug:


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    #22099690 - 08/16/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I messed these all up. I'm going to let them do their thing for a week or 2 maybe and hopefully they don't get contaminated. We shall see. I'll keep you posted

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    #22099984 - 08/16/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Do you think I could just wash the Verm off and they still be good?

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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22099988 - 08/16/15 07:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ehhh I don't think more shock would be any better, just let it be.


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