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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22069012 - 08/09/15 07:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Why are you worried so much about the verm?  Most people just sprinkle it right out of the bag.  :shrug:  Is it old or something?


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #22069014 - 08/09/15 07:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

When you spray the cakes just spray the bottom edges of the verm


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #22069024 - 08/09/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Oh alright. Do you think the nasty verm will not contaminate it? It's not really sealed I bought of ebay


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22069040 - 08/09/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Just spray a little heavy at the bottom edges of the cake, the verm under the cake will pull the moisture in from the outter edges


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #22069098 - 08/09/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Do you think the nasty verm will not contaminate it? It's not really sealed I bought off of ebay. Not sure if the mycelium and mushroom growth so far is vulnerable.


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22069240 - 08/09/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The cake will be fine because they are fully ccolonized. You got some contamned cakes because of dirty inoculant. Remember, the cakes are in open air and are being sprayed with tap water, they are being exposed to more contams than you think


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #22069333 - 08/09/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Alright. I heard that they are pretty strong because they are fully colonized that's why I think the one cake is only bruised and not contaminated. They were fine before I moved and touched them. Thank you very mucheap pinporn. You have been very helpful!!


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    #22069403 - 08/09/15 08:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Inocuole I'm worried about the Verm because 3 out of my 5 cakes had contams. Now one more maybe


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22069428 - 08/09/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If the cakes are contamd it was due to dirty inoculant, early birthing and/or poor sterile techniques. The verm will not effect the cakes in a negative way if the cake is healthy/clean/fully colonized and if it has a hidden contam before birthing it will contaminate with or without the verm


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    #22069504 - 08/09/15 09:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)



Sounds good to me just trying to be positive hopefully they do well in these conditions. Now one more question. When I mist and water gets on the cakes and mushies after I fan and there is still water on them will it affect them? I guess I'm curious how water directly affects the mycelium?


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22069541 - 08/09/15 09:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

After you spray you wanna fan, if there is still water on the cake and pins when you go to spray again then just fan. You want the water to absorb/evaporate before spraying again. You just need to find what works best for your environment. You don't want the cakes waterlogged


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #22069551 - 08/09/15 09:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I have old verm sitting in my attic.

I will not be baking this before I use it.


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #22069552 - 08/09/15 09:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Got it. Thanks for all the help. I'll keep you all posted throughout the next few weeks with pics and questions if any.


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22073837 - 08/10/15 09:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So I'm wondering what is growing on this cake. Looks blue idk. I've handled this cake quite a bit since I but the case on it. Everything else looks fine except that. Nice mushie is on the same cake do you think it will affect it?



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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22073843 - 08/10/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That is an abort.  The other blue spot I see is bruising, or something that aborted before it even pinned.  (I'm prettty sure knots can abort)


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: Inocuole]
    #22073876 - 08/10/15 09:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Okay. No worrying then. Thanks!


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22074460 - 08/10/15 11:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Your cakes look much too dry.  You need to dunk them for 24 hours, then roll them in dry vermiculite to act as a casing layer.  Remember to fan and mist your FC, and don't be afraid to mist the actual cakes.  They should not dry out.  Also, take the hydrometer out of there, it isn't needed.  Make sure your perlite is wet, and mist the sides and top of you FC every time you fan to ensure the humidity remains high in the midst of high FAE.


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    #22074947 - 08/11/15 05:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I figured they were dry. Should I wait to dunk them? Like wait till this flush?


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22074967 - 08/11/15 06:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I have the top and bottom cased with verm. I am going to start spraying more. And get verm really wet if needed. I won't spray again until water is evaporated off the mushies. I also cannot fan as much as I would like during the week because I am at work from 6am until 5pm sometimes. I know that will slow down growth.


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22075423 - 08/11/15 09:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Some of this doesn't apply but what does may help:

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Fanning is not FAE. FAE is the passive act of air exchange, reducing CO2 levels and increasing O2. Mushrooms are closer to humans then plants so imagine if I put you in a room with a limited supply of oxygen and expected you to not only live but produce a Mona Lisa at the same time. You would suffer and probably die while drawing stick figures.

In the wild mushrooms are CONSTANTLY blasted by fresh air. There are very few places on Earth that are 100% humidity all the time. Mushrooms like fluctuation, this is what they're used to.

I've done a few cakes and a bunch of monotubs. You don't want it to be WET honestly. You want it to get a little dry before you mist again. Pins form from water evaporating on the surface. How do you think I knew you were over-misting and recommended that you cut down? Because those cakes look like they're getting loved to death. Without a proper environment the cakes won't pin.

DO NOT FAN IN BETWEEN MISTINGS. Fanning is to quickly destroy the environment so the fresh air coming in will have to pull more water from the perlite (Which you should also be misting lightly) to restart the humidity. This gives your cakes a jump start on the drying process and also wicks away excessive moisture from the cakes.

The reason why they're growing out like that past the dry verm layer is because they're getting over-saturated which is telling them they're not supposed to pin yet. Mushrooms don't like overly wet environments. Your SGFC should be 6-12" away from the wall and 6-12" away from the floor. In the middle of the room is ideal.

In the future the oven isn't necessary. But use it if you like.

DON'T ROLL FOR THE SECOND FLUSH.

Are their holes on the bottom? Raise that higher. Do you have qt jars?




Did you dunk already for the first flush? If you did then don't dunk again. You can't roll that cake second flush but you should have rolled it the first. Make sure your SGFC is not in a closet.


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