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First grow attempt very problematic-some input would be loved
    #22068686 - 08/09/15 08:23 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Hey everyone, this was my first grow attempt I'm not going to post pictures of the inoculation as its pretty much the same either contaminated or not(From my experience). I'm going to tell you the story and my experience up to now and see what you thing maybe some advice. June 28th I started the whole process. Ordered 3 syringes of golden teach off of a reputable vendor! :laugh:. Did pretty well sterilizing everything in my opinion. I did the brf and vermiculite blend. Put in 1\2 pint jars created 6 jars. 5 sterilized 1 not to see what a contamination might end up looking like.(very green gray and nasty btw) noticed in like 3 days. So I pressure cooked 5 jars aluminum foil on top 2 holes in lid of jars for 1.5 hours. Let cool for many hours by the night I was innoculating. They were cool. So I heat needle face mask on gloves ect. I put roughly 2 cc each jar one syringe for all 5 jars. Now this is were I start creating and seeing problems. I placed them with aluminum foil still on them in a very lysol filled closet. Lol. I put them in a plastic container with a black trash bag over them. I had 2 lights set up to heat to 86deg I know....big mistake. They overheated. Instant contamination on one jar. Read up on what I'm doing wrong so I took all jars out of container left them room temp with no light in closet tin foil still on top. 2 weeks go by and barely half mycelium growth. Very slow!!!!! Waited one more week and by this time 2 jars have contamination green mold. Threw out. Now down to three jars. I left for a 2 week vacation and they were fully colonized. Immediately get home and rinse and dunk. I didn't feel like cooking verm in oven so I didn't roll the cakes. Placed in sgfc and now it's been almost 2 weeks and I'm getting good pins and growth. First I was weary of them growing. As I didn't roll and it's my first time. And there is a copper substance on them as you will see. Doesn't affect growth so f*** it. Anyway I'm down to 2 cakes now the one on the far right in the sgfc got green mold from the bottom of the cake. I'm assuming because it had moisture on lid of jar and there is brown verm on botTom of the cakes still. I couldn't rub all off during dunk. Anyway enough of my typing here they are and let me know what you think...

First 2 pics are the current growth and the 2 cakes left.


Any questions plz don't hesitate to ask
And yes there are holes on all 6 sides of sgfc and I fan 5 or 6 times on weekend. 3 to 4 during week. I don't mist cakes I spray on walls inside container to keep humidity at 99% temp is 77 avg 69 low 77high


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22068778 - 08/09/15 08:41 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Tips:

1. Always sterilize all jars. (cover whole lid with foil, not just inoculation points)
2. Take foil off after sterilization - contam risk
3. Only use 1cc per jar of inoculant; more could fuck up your moisture content.
4. Don't incubate in a trash bag in a closet. The lysol is not going to help you.
5. 86F is too hot. It was probably even hotter inside the jars, just sayin'. Huge contam risk.

Now for the pics:

The orange in first pic looks like metabolites (which are ok).
I see a blue/green contam in second pic.
Third pic has metabolites on top right cake.
4th pic I see more metabolites and hyphal knotting.
5th pic those pins do not look healthy, but let them grow and see if it gets better.
I see contams in the last pic.


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Edited by bluegill (08/09/15 08:44 PM)


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: bluegill]
    #22068789 - 08/09/15 08:44 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Definitely what bluegill said


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: bluegill]
    #22068795 - 08/09/15 08:45 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Rolling the cakes is for moisture retention. You need to spray the cakes and fan right afterwards. This will cause evaporation and induce pinning. If I were you I would double end case them for water supply since you didn't roll em


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: bluegill]
    #22068803 - 08/09/15 08:46 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

So what you are saying is Im all ate up. I learned from most of the mistakes I didn't know about the more than 1 cc was too much misture didn't think about that thank you.

As for the pics. In the second one do you think it could be bruising from when I handled the cake to change out perlight? There is another slightly bigger spot of blue on the second cake. It worries me because that cake has the biggest growth on it.


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22068806 - 08/09/15 08:47 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

What do you mean by double end case them pinporn?


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22068825 - 08/09/15 08:49 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

It might be bruising from handling, but it really looks like a contam. Please take a pic.

Time will certainly tell. I think you should continue to grow them.


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22068834 - 08/09/15 08:50 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

venemenese said:
What do you mean by double end case them pinporn?



verm on top and bottom:super:


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22068840 - 08/09/15 08:53 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Double and case is using hydrated pateurized verm on top and bottom of the cakes. Put a thick layer of verm on the lids, set the cakes on the verm and a good spoon full of verm on top of the cakes. As the cakes pull the moisture from the verm, you replace it by spraying

You don't even have to pasteurize the verm really


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #22068886 - 08/09/15 09:03 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you very much pinpoint and shhhhh.
Do you think I should do it after I flush and dunk? The weird thing to me is that most of the pins and growth is on the bottom where there is mild moist verm still. Weird?



And this is the best pic I can get. I noticed the start of the mark on top went away. But as I just sprayed and fanned I knocked over the cake with the possible contamination. Lucky me. Perlight coat ftw.


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22068909 - 08/09/15 09:08 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

So what your saying bluegill, is 2 of 5 maybe 1 of 5 good not contaminated is not bad? Haha. I did good or nah?


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22068935 - 08/09/15 09:12 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

I would double end case asap


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #22068944 - 08/09/15 09:13 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Will it affect the growing mushrooms on the bottom?? Pinporn


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22068949 - 08/09/15 09:15 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Yea, in a positive way :thumbup:


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #22068958 - 08/09/15 09:17 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

So to be 100% thorough...take verm heat to 350 for a good min then wet and let drain and put on top and bottom and spray daily? Keep nice and moist?


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22068982 - 08/09/15 09:21 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

You can bake the verm if you want but it's not necessary, just hydrate and case


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #22068988 - 08/09/15 09:22 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Is there any reason we're not just doing the dunk and roll here?


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #22068993 - 08/09/15 09:23 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Just one more question. How do you suggest I spray the bottom case?
And I really appreciate the input pinporn.


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: Inocuole]
    #22069001 - 08/09/15 09:24 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Had got some big pins growing so I suggested dec since he didn't roll right away :shrug:


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Re: First grow attempt very problematic [Re: venemenese]
    #22069006 - 08/09/15 09:25 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Inocuole, the reason I only dunked for 24 hours and didn't roll in verm was because I didn't want to bake the verm for 1.5 hours and make a mess and deal with the clean up. I feel like I need to bakeep the verm as I'm worried it's very contaminated.


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