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Site mods abusing their powers in UC forums? * 1
    #22068680 - 08/09/15 06:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Enlil said:
It's really cool to be able to identify the racists.  This new romp is so much better than the old one.



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Treant said:
Are you saying you abused your mod powers to be able to tell who an anon poster is?



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Enlil said:
I'm saying I've used my mod powers to identify every single anon as I read this thread.



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Is that acceptable for a mod to do?

I don't think it should be, that ruins the integrity of the anonymous function.

Users use the feature so they can be anon, not so the staff can see who they are by abusing their powers they were given to take care of problems.

I was always under the assumption it was considered abuse and not to be tolerated. If it's not it should be.


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Re: Site mods abusing their powers in UC forums? [Re: PLURAL] * 1
    #22068699 - 08/09/15 06:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Nothing is ever anonymous, unless it stays in your own head.

As you know; people are listening.


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Re: Site mods abusing their powers in UC forums? [Re: PLURAL] * 2
    #22068987 - 08/09/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

They have always done it in the Anon forum, why wouldn't they do it in the UC forums?


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Re: Site mods abusing their powers in UC forums? [Re: PLURAL] * 1
    #22069405 - 08/09/15 08:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You forgot where you're at..


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Re: Site mods abusing their powers in UC forums? [Re: PLURAL]
    #22069572 - 08/09/15 09:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Treant said:
Quote:

Enlil said:
It's really cool to be able to identify the racists.  This new romp is so much better than the old one.



-#22067514

Quote:

Treant said:
Are you saying you abused your mod powers to be able to tell who an anon poster is?



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Quote:

Enlil said:
I'm saying I've used my mod powers to identify every single anon as I read this thread.



-#22068554

Is that acceptable for a mod to do?

I don't think it should be, that ruins the integrity of the anonymous function.

Users use the feature so they can be anon, not so the staff can see who they are by abusing their powers they were given to take care of problems.

I was always under the assumption it was considered abuse and not to be tolerated. If it's not it should be.




Totally acceptable.  That's just the way it goes, MJ.


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Re: Site mods abusing their powers in UC forums? [Re: PLURAL]
    #22070288 - 08/10/15 01:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

1. Wrong forum.
2. Get over it, it's not like they're divulging anons or anything.


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Re: Site mods abusing their powers in UC forums? [Re: Magenta] * 1
    #22070642 - 08/10/15 06:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's not the wrong forum for what I want, I'm not whining, I want word from an admin on whether or not it's acceptable.

This is the right forum to potentially get that word.

I'm not calling for Enlil to be demodded or anything, obviously.


I'd rather not get over it, it's use of a tool they were given to deal with problematic posters for something other than its intended use, IMO that constitutes abuse and should not be permitted.


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Re: Site mods abusing their powers in UC forums? [Re: PLURAL] * 1
    #22070695 - 08/10/15 07:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Why not build your own private forum?

WeAreNotRacistTrolls.org?


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Re: Site mods abusing their powers in UC forums? [Re: PLURAL]
    #22071121 - 08/10/15 10:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Treant said:
It's not the wrong forum for what I want, I'm not whining,.




Yes, you are whining, and this is definitely a moderator issue/complaint. You're in the wrong forum, MJ.

Lock it up.


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Re: Site mods abusing their powers in UC forums? [Re: emf]
    #22071141 - 08/10/15 10:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Arctic W. Fox said:
Nothing is ever anonymous, unless it stays in your own head.

As you know; people are listening.



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joe666 said:
They have always done it in the Anon forum, why wouldn't they do it in the UC forums?



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Amanita86 said:
You forgot where you're at..



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emf said:
Quote:

Treant said:
Quote:

Enlil said:
It's really cool to be able to identify the racists.  This new romp is so much better than the old one.



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Quote:

Treant said:
Are you saying you abused your mod powers to be able to tell who an anon poster is?



-#22068543

Quote:

Enlil said:
I'm saying I've used my mod powers to identify every single anon as I read this thread.



-#22068554

Is that acceptable for a mod to do?

I don't think it should be, that ruins the integrity of the anonymous function.

Users use the feature so they can be anon, not so the staff can see who they are by abusing their powers they were given to take care of problems.

I was always under the assumption it was considered abuse and not to be tolerated. If it's not it should be.




Totally acceptable.  That's just the way it goes, MJ.



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Magenta said:
1. Wrong forum.
2. Get over it, it's not like they're divulging anons or anything.



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emf said:
Quote:

Treant said:
It's not the wrong forum for what I want, I'm not whining,.




Yes, you are whining, and this is definitely a moderator issue/complaint. You're in the wrong forum, MJ.

Lock it up.




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Re: Site mods abusing their powers in UC forums? [Re: Arctic W. Fox] * 2
    #22071164 - 08/10/15 10:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Treant, we are entrusted to see certain private information. Staffers also ghost Moderate all UC forums, so that means we can see who makes anon posts in there and take certain actions when needed.

The KEY thing about being able to see private information, and I want YOU to think about this until it reaches the part of your brain that allows you to finally understand what you once misunderstood, is we SHOULD NOT share the private things we see with the public or with ANYONE at all who is not allowed to see such things... so we don't tend to cross that line unless Admin approval is given.

If Enlil follows you around and outs you every time you make an Anon post, you would have a valid complaint. He doesn't. He simply said, in your -trolling is allowed- forum, that he checks who posts every anon post in your forum, which sounds like a half-threat, half-joke to me, rather than what anyone would really do in there. Even if he was telling the truth, as long as he does not share that PRIVATE info he uncovers with people who are not allowed to see it, he is allowed by the Administration to do it.

Magenta is right. Wrong forum. Get over it.

Don't waste your breath waiting for an Admin to chime in on this one. It seems so obvious to everyone else who posted a reply, I doubt the Admins will waste their time on your complaint.

You know full well, part of the reason we closed RR was because we could not properly provide oversight and now that it has become your UC oasis, we CAN.


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Re: Site mods abusing their powers in UC forums? [Re: Rose] * 2
    #22071381 - 08/10/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I just don't get why he cares so much to look at it.

I've seen him say basically we're all nothing but shitposting faggots on numerous occasions.

So then why does he care enough to use his powers, he was given for other reasons, to check, for no reason other thank to know, who's making anon posts in my non-shroomery endorsed UC forum?

Fuck it, now I'm whining.

I think it's bullshit tbh.

If he was doing it because someone was breaking a rule and he needed to know to take moderator action that would be different.


I'm not a site mod, I didn't agree to anything before I became a mod of the forum, I just created it and was automatically a moderator of it, and even I don't do that shit.

To me anon is something sacred and I don't want that aspect removed from it.

If I could remove him as a mod of the forum I would, just like I did to a user, who I happen to be somewhat close to, that I added as a forum mod when it was brought to my attention he was checking anons.

When RR was still a forum here I had ways to know/guess who anons were, such as post stats, the search function, online indicators, context, posting styles, etc... and I did occasionally use them to my own benefit. But those are things every user here has access to and could use...

I wasn't unfairly using powers entrusted to me by the site owners for my own benefit... looking back I probably shouldn't've even done what I did do, and I will adjust my behavior in the future.

I didn't put this in MI&C because I didn't want it to turn into mods and users bickering back and forth, have trolling/flaming/disrespect going on in it, and people purposefully derailing it until it got locked.

I just simply wanted something explained to me by an admin :shrug:


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Re: Site mods abusing their powers in UC forums? [Re: PLURAL] * 1
    #22071396 - 08/10/15 11:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Rose said:
Magenta is right. Wrong forum. Get over it.





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Re: Site mods abusing their powers in UC forums? [Re: PLURAL]
    #22071465 - 08/10/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Why does Enlil care to look? If I were to venture a guess, it would be because he wants to better understand how your place works, and also quell some of the melting on y'all's part and some of the banning on our part. Since I can't read his mind, that guess is the best I can muster.

As for you not agreeing to the rules and regulations of being a UC Mod when you started your own forum... Bullshit. You agreed to the very terms and conditions when you joined this site that we all agree to. AND you are using your ability as a supporter of this site (a status you had to beg for and be gifted) to HAVE US HOST YOUR VERY OWN FORUM. You should be thanking us, as your bargain basement service provider. It simply means you are held to the same standards of oversight as anyone else who wants us to host their own forum.

If you do not like it, then there is the entire rest of the Internet for you to experience. Perhaps someone else will host the forum of your dreams but you know you will lose users and functionality if you go elsewhere. You get all The Shroomery bells and whistles here, and all of our community to potentially participate. Go ahead, see if they all follow you elsewhere. See if someone else will gift you the hosting fees. Your choice.

You also just said you demoted one of your own just for doing their job as allowed. They did not even break one of your listed rules. That is overextending your Mod power. How quickly power corrupts. You got rid of the Devil you knew, and now you are stuck with the Devils you don't. Ironic. No?

We are unwilling to host your imaginary dream forum at this time because we have the whole rest of this website to oversee as well. Protecting all of your outrageous wants, needs and desires is unacceptable. It would be a full time job for several Staffers just to make sure you did not get our website in a legal pickle and ruin things for everybody else.

Get this through your skull: Your forum has little or nothing to do with mushrooms. This is a mushroom website. This is a mushroom community. Do you really think we would put at risk the mushroom end of this community and website just for you to have your way and troll anyone and everyone anonymously, without fear of reprucussion?

I am really getting tired of this. How much time have I spent, just this week, telling you this same sort of shit time and again?

Get over it. I do not like watching good people melt... even when they're advocating for the right to melt other users anonymously and without oversight.


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Re: Site mods abusing their powers in UC forums? [Re: Rose] * 1
    #22071631 - 08/10/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Your guess doesn't seem like it's based on anything.

Better understand how the place work? That's almost laughable.

Quell some of the melting on y'all's part? Please tell me how the hell abusing his power to check anons is going to do that?

...some of the banning on our part? How would that do that? I know Enlil is not banhappy, but what he's doing is not stopping anyone from getting banned... he could use his powers to stop others from getting banned, and I have seen him do that, but that's not what this is.

You call what I said bullshit, then you talk about stuff that wasn't even pertinent to what i said as evidence for you calling it bullshit...

Like I said, I'm not a site mod and I didn't agree to anything extra to mod the forum... That's 100% true, so why you're trying to say it isn't is beyond me.

I demodded him for a few reasons, #1 being he said he didn't want to be a mod, and the other being what I already said, if he ever asks to be remodded and agrees to not check I will more than gladly read him.

It may've technically been allowed but it's not acceptable IMO.

He knew I didn't like it, I discussed it somewhere before, where I discussed it I have rule that what happens there stays there, so I can't get in to particulars and've probably already said too much.

I didn't abuse my power or become corrupted :rolleyes:


I have thanked you guys for allowing us to have UC forums, and you are well aware I appreciate this site and what it allows us to do.

After all of the recent drama honestly if there was another way for me to stay in contact with the great people I've met here I probably wouldn't use this site anymore.


I'm not asking the admins to host my dream forum, I'm just simply saying I don't like that mods are checking anon posters there for their own benefit and asking the admins what their take on it is...

I'm not telling them what to do... Did you seem me say "YOU GUYS BETTER MAKE THEM STOP OR ELSE I'M GONNA..." or anything to that effect? No, you didn't because that isn't the purpose of this.

I stated my opinion that I don't think it's acceptable and that's about it.



My wants/needs are not outrageous, they're very minimal and I've tried compromising a lot with you guys and have brought up many good points, just to get dismissed time and time again...

I didn't ask for you to get involved in this conversation so Idk why you're acting like this is something you have to do, feel free to stop posting on this subject, believe me I would not be offended in the slightest.

Whatever dude, I'm tired of typing right now.


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Re: Site mods abusing their powers in UC forums? [Re: PLURAL]
    #22071633 - 08/10/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Treant said:
Quote:

Enlil said:
It's really cool to be able to identify the racists.  This new romp is so much better than the old one.



-#22067514

Quote:

Treant said:
Are you saying you abused your mod powers to be able to tell who an anon poster is?



-#22068543

Quote:

Enlil said:
I'm saying I've used my mod powers to identify every single anon as I read this thread.



-#22068554

Is that acceptable for a mod to do?

I don't think it should be, that ruins the integrity of the anonymous function.

Users use the feature so they can be anon, not so the staff can see who they are by abusing their powers they were given to take care of problems.

I was always under the assumption it was considered abuse and not to be tolerated. If it's not it should be.




Did Enlil really say that? You've been abusing your UC mod privileges to alter other people's posts to say what you want them to say. Of course, the downside to you for doing that is that quotes from your forum are useless as evidence.


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Re: Site mods abusing their powers in UC forums? [Re: koods]
    #22071652 - 08/10/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I didn't abuse my power or become corrupted



Whatever you say Fidel.


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Re: Site mods abusing their powers in UC forums? [Re: PLURAL]
    #22071668 - 08/10/15 01:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If a shitty carpenter builds a shitty house, then the city takes it down for being shitty, it's a lot to expect to be able to just erect another shitty house somewhere else let alone get what you want.

God damn Mongolians..


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Re: Site mods abusing their powers in UC forums? [Re: koods] * 1
    #22071669 - 08/10/15 01:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quit trying to troll in my thread.

You know full well if a UC mod edits a post it leaves a tag.


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Re: Site mods abusing their powers in UC forums? [Re: PLURAL]
    #22071701 - 08/10/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Quit trying to troll in my thread.

You know full well if a UC mod edits a post it leaves a tag.



Tags don't carry over with the quote function, and you know full well that even with the tag, nobody but you and the poster knows what was really said in the post.

If you want to fuck around with other people's words, then you should just accept that words written in your forum are going to lack credibility.


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