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tyty82
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first-timer - seven days in: fuzzy, white BRF cakes
#22068404 - 08/09/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hi again everyone,
I'm hitting the 7th day anniversary since birthing in a SGFC. I've seen no pinning signs at all. But a fuzzy white growth has been slowly moving over the cakes over this time. There's some clear aerial mycelium toward the bottom. The fuzzy cotton ball growths all around are a mystery to me. They're bright white and smell fine. I just tried plucking a bit with tweezers and they were solidly attached.
I just don't know what to think right now. I really appreciate your eyes and whatever you can tell me from the above and the pics below. Thanks.


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Re: first-timer - seven days in: fuzzy, white BRF cakes [Re: tyty82]
#22068421 - 08/09/15 05:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Looks like a moisture problem; spray directly. How much perlite do you have in your FC? You want your cakes to be glistening wet but don't let water pool on them.
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Re: first-timer - seven days in: fuzzy, white BRF cakes [Re: tyty82]
#22068425 - 08/09/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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its bacteria your cakes will fruit tho work on fae and mist all 6 sides
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Re: first-timer - seven days in: fuzzy, white BRF cakes [Re: moehd]
#22068441 - 08/09/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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moehd said: its bacteria your cakes will fruit tho work on fae and mist all 6 sides
There are holes on all sides of the FC - there is not a FAE problem.
Spray the cakes directly until glistening more often.
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Re: first-timer - seven days in: fuzzy, white BRF cakes [Re: bluegill]
#22068459 - 08/09/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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moehd said: its bacteria your cakes will fruit tho work on fae and mist all 6 sides
There are holes on all sides of the FC - there is not a FAE problem.
Spray the cakes directly until glistening more often.
yea its not fae that growth is bacteria but nothing to do now just up your fruiting condition
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Re: first-timer - seven days in: fuzzy, white BRF cakes [Re: moehd]
#22068471 - 08/09/15 05:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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moehd said: its bacteria your cakes will fruit tho work on fae and mist all 6 sides
Doesn't look like stroma to me.
How often do you mist/fan?
Where is your SGFC? Is it 6-12" off the ground and away from any wall?
Do you have 1/4" holes on all six sides? Top and bottom included?
Do you have 4-5" of perlite in there?
Do you have a fan running? You shouldn't for an SGFC.
Did you consolidate for seven days?
What strain is this?
Poke some of the fuzzy growth, does it appear to come of no problem?
This is stroma:
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taGyo said: This is Aerial Mycelium:
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wowimflabbergasted said:
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cryptofgod said: Weird looking cubensis?

Anyone have any suggestions? Or are they looking good
That is some insane aerial myc! 
This occurs when you don't have enough FAE in your chamber. The mycelium is stretching to try to reach fresh air.
This is bacteria:
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Fuzzy

More Fuzzy

Notice how it looks different? Bacteria blobs up and aerial myc comes out in strands. A bacteria cake will still fruit given more time and the fruits from this cake are safe to eat.
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Re: first-timer - seven days in: fuzzy, white BRF cakes [Re: taGyo]
#22068490 - 08/09/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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my first grow had it bad i thought it was pins at first
but thats how the op grow looks to me
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Re: first-timer - seven days in: fuzzy, white BRF cakes [Re: moehd]
#22068496 - 08/09/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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my first grow had it bad i thought it was pins at first
but thats how the op grow looks to me
That's DEFINITELY Stroma. Maybe his camera isn't as good as ours but stroma normally looks wet and has tiny pockets in it. It's hard to explain but I think you know what I mean. That looks like myc expanding because it hasn't found a suitable climate to pin in.
I bet he's misting 3-4 times a day.
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Edited by taGyo (08/09/15 05:52 PM)
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Re: first-timer - seven days in: fuzzy, white BRF cakes [Re: taGyo]
#22068518 - 08/09/15 05:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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move your cakes closer together, they will work off eachothers heat currents, other then that patients my man
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Re: first-timer - seven days in: fuzzy, white BRF cakes [Re: cronicr]
#22068525 - 08/09/15 05:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You think it's Stroma Cron?
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Re: first-timer - seven days in: fuzzy, white BRF cakes [Re: taGyo]
#22068526 - 08/09/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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naw, vegetative myc at best
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Re: first-timer - seven days in: fuzzy, white BRF cakes [Re: cronicr]
#22068534 - 08/09/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Also you could cut the foil down to right around the cakes. Make sure you're flipping the foil over every now and then because water will accumulate down their and cause bottom pinning.
Clear the perlite when you flip.
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Edited by taGyo (08/09/15 05:57 PM)
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Re: first-timer - seven days in: fuzzy, white BRF cakes [Re: taGyo]
#22068539 - 08/09/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I bet he's misting 3-4 times a day.
yup
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Re: first-timer - seven days in: fuzzy, white BRF cakes [Re: taGyo]
#22068541 - 08/09/15 05:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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taGyo:
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taGyo said:
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moehd said: its bacteria your cakes will fruit tho work on fae and mist all 6 sides
Doesn't look like stroma to me.
> How often do you mist/fan?
It's been twice per day. Excluding last night and this morning when I didn't do either (I was away for 24 hours).
> Where is your SGFC? Is it 6-12" off the ground and away from any wall?
Yes. On its own table, elevated on blocks 2ish inches off that table. ABout 2 feet from the nearest wall - all other walls are much farther away.
> Do you have 1/4" holes on all six sides? Top and bottom included?
Yes. All six sides. 2" apart.
> Do you have 4-5" of perlite in there?
4" of perlite (measured).
> Do you have a fan running? You shouldn't for an SGFC.
I've had an air conditioner running in the room to keep the temperature down, elsewhere in the room and blocked from blowing directly onto the chamber. With cooler temperatures recently I turned the air conditioner off over the last day.
> Did you consolidate for seven days?
Yes.
> What strain is this?
B+
> Poke some of the fuzzy growth, does it appear to come of no problem?
No. It's firmly stuck.
> This is stroma:
It's honestly hard to tell. It doesn't look like the bacteria on those pictures (not so soapy not so big). But it's definitely more blobby than strandy.
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taGyo said: This is Aerial Mycelium:
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wowimflabbergasted said:
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cryptofgod said: Weird looking cubensis?

Anyone have any suggestions? Or are they looking good
That is some insane aerial myc! 
This occurs when you don't have enough FAE in your chamber. The mycelium is stretching to try to reach fresh air.
This is bacteria:
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Fuzzy

More Fuzzy

Notice how it looks different? Bacteria blobs up and aerial myc comes out in strands. A bacteria cake will still fruit given more time and the fruits from this cake are safe to eat.

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Re: first-timer - seven days in: fuzzy, white BRF cakes [Re: cronicr]
#22068557 - 08/09/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's veg myc.
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cronicr said: move your cakes closer together, they will work off eachothers heat currents, other then that patients my man
Once during the day and once at night? I'm surprised, I pinned it as overwatering. How much do you mist? Just enough to get the cakes wet or do you drench them? Don't drench them. Just get them wet.
Is your perlite wet? Stick your finger down about two inches. Do you feel moisture? If not take out the cakes and run the SGFC through the shower to get the perlite nice and damp.
Also, raise it 6" up if you can. You need air coming in from the bottom, this is the primary source of your humidity as perlite holds water and the air grabs that water and pulls it up to the SGFC, creating a humid environment.
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Re: first-timer - seven days in: fuzzy, white BRF cakes [Re: taGyo]
#22068577 - 08/09/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's not bacteria 
I actually think it is a lack of moisture; make sure you spray cakes directly until glistening. Also agree add more perlite.
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Re: first-timer - seven days in: fuzzy, white BRF cakes [Re: bluegill]
#22068593 - 08/09/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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update us dude
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Re: first-timer - seven days in: fuzzy, white BRF cakes [Re: taGyo]
#22068630 - 08/09/15 06:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Once during the day and once at night? I'm surprised, I pinned it as overwatering. How much do you mist? Just enough to get the cakes wet or do you drench them? Don't drench them. Just get them wet.
Is your perlite wet? Stick your finger down about two inches. Do you feel moisture? If not take out the cakes and run the SGFC through the shower to get the perlite nice and damp.
Also, raise it 6" up if you can. You need air coming in from the bottom, this is the primary source of your humidity as perlite holds water and the air grabs that water and pulls it up to the SGFC, creating a humid environment.
I've tried to mist to that fine balance of wet but not drenched. For each mist I might give 10-20 good bursts from the sprayer all around the terrarium. The cakes usually look just a bit glistening when I'm done - drops all around the walls and a few drops on the tin foil but no pooling of water.
Taking out some of the deep perlite, I feel moistness. But not necessarily a *lot* of moistness.
So.. the 2" from the table surface now isn't enough? It should be 6" raised?
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Re: first-timer - seven days in: fuzzy, white BRF cakes [Re: tyty82]
#22068643 - 08/09/15 06:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would raise it 
I used a milk crate when I did cakes.
I'd wait it out then, maybe cut your misting back to 5-10 seconds. No need to mist the walls, they will not grow.
Fan for 10-20 seconds.
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Re: first-timer - seven days in: fuzzy, white BRF cakes [Re: tyty82]
#22068645 - 08/09/15 06:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Also, about the white blobs - on the bottoms of some of the cakes they look decidedly pointy, and on the bottom of at least one cake I can quite clearly see strands coming out.
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Re: first-timer - seven days in: fuzzy, white BRF cakes [Re: tyty82]
#22068650 - 08/09/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lack of FAE, shouldn't be happening on the bottom though unless you're not getting enough FAE in general.
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Re: first-timer - seven days in: fuzzy, white BRF cakes [Re: taGyo]
#22068661 - 08/09/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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SPRAY THE CAKES DIRECTLY.
Make sure you hold the spray bottle far enough away from the cakes or you could bruise them.
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Re: first-timer - seven days in: fuzzy, white BRF cakes [Re: bluegill]
#22069111 - 08/09/15 07:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Okay, thanks everyone. I've taken all your advice and:
- put my cakes aside, rewet all my perlite - Added an additional half inch of new perlite to the chamber - replaced the tin foil with new tin foil just barely bigger than the cakes - positioned the cakes more closely together - cut a huge hole out of the table it sits on (it's a cheapo cardboard table). So now there's three feet of open air between it and the ground.
I'm also convinced at this point its all mycelium. As I mentioned above, toward the bottom some of it is blatantly strandy. The blobs on top are stuck tight, and when I poked a few of them they quickly bruised blue. And a tiny amount of the blobs on the sides were stray beads of perlite.
I'll do the best I can with misting. I haven't been specifically trying to mist the walls - more like not directly mist into the cakes, so the mist happens to hit the walls while its falling down.
Finally, about the air conditioner... do you think I should keep it on or off? Without it, the room hovers well above 80 (80-85). With it, it hovers a bit below 80 (75-80). I have the air conditioner pointing away from the chamber and a big blanket in between them to prevent any direct wind. But I'm still really unsure if the temperature or the moving air in the room would cause the bigger risk.
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Re: first-timer - seven days in: fuzzy, white BRF cakes [Re: tyty82]
#22069124 - 08/09/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Keep it on.
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Re: first-timer - seven days in: fuzzy, white BRF cakes [Re: taGyo]
#22069155 - 08/09/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: first-timer - seven days in: fuzzy, white BRF cakes [Re: moehd]
#22078294 - 08/11/15 08:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Update:
I'm up to day 9 since birthing. Absolutely nothing has changed since two days ago. Perhaps it's a plus that there's no more mycelium growth outside the cakes than Sunday. But absolutely no sign of any forward movement.
I've misted exactly twice per day (once in morning, once in evening, ~12 hour difference) followed immediately by a healthy fanning. I've touched my cakes a few times after washing hands and they're clearly damp and holding moisture even before I mist. And when I lift them they definitely feel heavy as if they're retaining moisture.
When I mist I'm aiming for that glisten without drenching them. My natural environment is pretty humid anyway, so I think there's a low probability of dryness issues.
As I mentioned earlier, on Sunday I cut a huge hole in the table my SGFC sits on to create three feet of bottom air between the SGFC and the ground. It's all built to spec (1/4" holes 2" apart). In a spacious room, not too close to walls. Plenty of perlite, nice and moist.
I'm completely confounded. I simply don't know what else I could do.
Edited by tyty82 (08/11/15 08:09 PM)
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Re: first-timer - seven days in: fuzzy, white BRF cakes [Re: tyty82]
#22078399 - 08/11/15 08:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You'll be fine, they have to adjust, pics would be nice 
Patience
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Re: first-timer - seven days in: fuzzy, white BRF cakes [Re: taGyo]
#22078488 - 08/11/15 08:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks, taGyo. I know - you're right. It'll be hard to get pics now, but I'll post some updated ones tomorrow or so.
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Re: first-timer - seven days in: fuzzy, white BRF cakes [Re: tyty82]
#22085099 - 08/13/15 07:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Good news! As of last night (10 day mark), I saw the first sign of pins - one miniscule but clear pin growing out of the top of one cake. As of this morning I can see clear (albeit small) pin activity on three cakes. Pics:




You'll notice discoloration on some of the cakes. I'm quite convinced it's bruising - this started when I picked them up Sunday to remove them from the FC and refresh the perlite. They're unambiguously dark blue. They clearly are part of the mycelium itself and not any kind of fuzzy or powdery (or any) layer on top. And when I did a few test pokes a while back of some mycelium spots, they quickly turned the same color.
My fourth pic shows the one cake with clear aerial mycelium on the bottom. On the other side of the cake are a few clearly extending strands. None of the other cakes exhibit this, so that seem to be my needy cake.
These pictures were taken just before misting time.
How do the pin colors look to you?
And thanks again for your support and patience so far.
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Re: first-timer - seven days in: fuzzy, white BRF cakes [Re: tyty82]
#22085155 - 08/13/15 07:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nice bud I'm 2 days behind you. I was wondering if the fluffiness was bad or good lol
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Re: first-timer - seven days in: fuzzy, white BRF cakes [Re: Devon420]
#22085218 - 08/13/15 07:53 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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don't forget to mist when they no longer glisten!
bet they'll explode soon!
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Re: first-timer - seven days in: fuzzy, white BRF cakes [Re: spacechildo]
#22085473 - 08/13/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: first-timer - seven days in: fuzzy, white BRF cakes [Re: taGyo]
#22090466 - 08/14/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Rather than spam this thread, I'm going to post daily updates here:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22090396
The me of three days ago would have really appreciated this, so I feel it's the least I can offer.
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