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First Grow. Pictures Of Cakes After 6 Days In SGFC. Advice? UPDATE 8.16.15. Help Needed. *Pics*
    #22068145 - 08/09/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've followed the PF Tek to the "T." I was just wondering if any experienced amateur (or professional) mycologists here might any advice upon seeing pictures of my first mycological endeavor in its current state.

Thanks in advance for any helpful insight, recommendations, or advice. Please, just ask if more information is needed.




Minor Update 8.11.15
UPDATE 8.12.15 AKA "Tiny Pins"
UPDATE 8.16.15. Help Needed. (Most Recent)


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Re: First Grow. Pictures Of Cakes After 6 Days In SGFC. [Re: Dr. West]
    #22068166 - 08/09/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Is a lid normally on that? AKA did you just take it off for pictures?

They need more FAE and humidity. Is your perlite wet? Good job building your SGFC to spec :thumbup:, that's rare for new members.

How often do you mist/fan? Looks like you only need twice a day, one in the morning and one at night because they look like they're taking on a little too much water there. Fan for 20-30 seconds.

What strain is this? Did you dunk for 24 hours?


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Re: First Grow. Pictures Of Cakes After 6 Days In SGFC. [Re: taGyo]
    #22068288 - 08/09/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for your quick response, taGyo!

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Is a lid normally on that? AKA did you just take it off for pictures?



Yes, I only took it off briefly to snap the pictures. Oh, and the lid also has 1/4'' holes, drilled in a 2 X 2 inch grid pattern.

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They need more FAE and humidity. Is your perlite wet?



Just out of curiosity, what is it that indicates low FAE and humidity? Is it the mycelium growing over the layer of vermiculite? Thank you for pointing this out! Do you have any suggestions on how I may be able to remedy this?

Perlite should still be moist. I thoroughly rinsed and drained the perlite before adding it to the fruiting chamber.

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How often do you mist/fan?



I've been misting/fanning 3-4 times a day, and fanning (with lid, for 15-30 seconds) alone roughly midway through each interval between misting/fanning sessions.


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What strain is this? Did you dunk for 24 hours?



Back left & right are B+; center is Creeper; front left is Cambodian; and front right is Escondido.
I dunked all 5 five cakes for 24 hours, rinsed, and rolled in dry vermiculite which I had placed in the oven for 30 minutes prior to rolling.


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Re: First Grow. Pictures Of Cakes After 6 Days In SGFC. [Re: Dr. West]
    #22068363 - 08/09/15 05:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'd say mist a little less often.

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Re: First Grow. Pictures Of Cakes After 6 Days In SGFC. [Re: BLINKfan420]
    #22068390 - 08/09/15 05:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I'd say mist a little less often.



Thanks!

Would you also recommend misting once in the morning, then once again in the evening? If so, can you also recommend a fanning schedule between mistings?


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Re: First Grow. Pictures Of Cakes After 6 Days In SGFC. [Re: Dr. West]
    #22068431 - 08/09/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Okay.

Here comes a long post while I explain everything. You seem like you're actually reading so here you go:

Fanning is not FAE. FAE is the passive act of air exchange, reducing CO2 levels and increasing O2. Mushrooms are closer to humans then plants so imagine if I put you in a room with a limited supply of oxygen and expected you to not only live but produce a Mona Lisa at the same time. You would suffer and probably die while drawing stick figures.

In the wild mushrooms are CONSTANTLY blasted by fresh air. There are very few places on Earth that are 100% humidity all the time. Mushrooms like fluctuation, this is what they're used to.

I've done a few cakes and a bunch of monotubs. You don't want it to be WET honestly. You want it to get a little dry before you mist again. Pins form from water evaporating on the surface. How do you think I knew you were over-misting and recommended that you cut down? Because those cakes look like they're getting loved to death. Without a proper environment the cakes won't pin.

DO NOT FAN IN BETWEEN MISTINGS. Fanning is to quickly destroy the environment so the fresh air coming in will have to pull more water from the perlite (Which you should also be misting lightly) to restart the humidity. This gives your cakes a jump start on the drying process and also wicks away excessive moisture from the cakes.

The reason why they're growing out like that past the dry verm layer is because they're getting over-saturated which is telling them they're not supposed to pin yet. Mushrooms don't like overly wet environments. Your SGFC should be 6-12" away from the wall and 6-12" away from the floor. In the middle of the room is ideal.

In the future the oven isn't necessary. But use it if you like.

DON'T ROLL FOR THE SECOND FLUSH.

Are their holes on the bottom? Raise that higher. Do you have qt jars?


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Re: First Grow. Pictures Of Cakes After 6 Days In SGFC. [Re: taGyo]
    #22068524 - 08/09/15 05:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

elevate your fc so air can come up from underneathe


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Re: First Grow. Pictures Of Cakes After 6 Days In SGFC. [Re: taGyo]
    #22068800 - 08/09/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Here comes a long post while I explain everything. You seem like you're actually reading so here you go:



Yes! Thank you for noticing; I've spent hour upon hour, night after hour, scouring threads to ensure that I was doing things properly, trying to do without bothering more experienced cultivators such as yourself, taGyo. Even I have come to resent the staggering abundance of "noobs" posting incessantly, without doing an iota of research, simply looking for quick answers. I imagine it's enough to make anyone here with solid experience cynical to say the least!

Anyway, to answer your question: yes, I have 1/4" holes drilled on all six sides of the terrarium; though, unfortunately, I don't have any quart-size jars with which to prop up my terrarium--only the 1/2 pints shown beneath my setup in the first picture.

Also, I do have to say that I was very surprised to read your advice on not fanning between misting! I'll certainly heed your advice, but, just due to my previous research, I'm baffled at how many differences in opinion there are on what, seems to me, should be such a relatively simple process!

Thanks again for your time and insight, taGyo.


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Re: First Grow. Pictures Of Cakes After 6 Days In SGFC. [Re: cronicr]
    #22068819 - 08/09/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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elevate your fc so air can come up from underneathe



Thanks for the advice, cronicr, but, though it may be difficult to see in the picture, I do have my terrarium sitting atop 4 half-pint jars.


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Re: First Grow. Pictures Of Cakes After 6 Days In SGFC. [Re: Dr. West]
    #22068827 - 08/09/15 06:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:super:


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Re: First Grow. Pictures Of Cakes After 6 Days In SGFC. [Re: Dr. West]
    #22069061 - 08/09/15 07:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Also, I do have to say that I was very surprised to read your advice on not fanning between misting! I'll certainly heed your advice, but, just due to my previous research, I'm baffled at how many differences in opinion there are on what, seems to me, should be such a relatively simple process!



Take everyone's advice with a grain of salt on this forum until you hear it from multiple people.

Ask Cron about it :thumbup:

To clarify, mist and then fan 2 times a day and no fanning in between is what I'm talking about. You can fan in between with good FAE and damp perlite but it's just not necessary. The mushrooms do need a level of humidity, FAE and room temperature to do optimal.


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Re: First Grow. Pictures Of Cakes After 6 Days In SGFC. [Re: taGyo]
    #22069986 - 08/09/15 10:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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To clarify, mist and then fan 2 times a day and no fanning in between is what I'm talking about. You can fan in between with good FAE and damp perlite but it's just not necessary. The mushrooms do need a level of humidity, FAE and room temperature to do optimal.



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Re: First Grow. Pictures Of Cakes After 6 Days In SGFC. [Re: taGyo]
    #22070007 - 08/09/15 11:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Dr. West said:

Also, I do have to say that I was very surprised to read your advice on not fanning between misting! I'll certainly heed your advice, but, just due to my previous research, I'm baffled at how many differences in opinion there are on what, seems to me, should be such a relatively simple process!



Take everyone's advice with a grain of salt on this forum until you hear it from multiple people.

Ask Cron about it :thumbup:

To clarify, mist and then fan 2 times a day and no fanning in between is what I'm talking about. You can fan in between with good FAE and damp perlite but it's just not necessary. The mushrooms do need a level of humidity, FAE and room temperature to do optimal.



yep take a little bit of ":whathesaid:" and mix with a little":whatshesaid:" add a little :facepalm: and profit


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Re: First Grow. Pictures Of Cakes After 6 Days In SGFC. [Re: cronicr]
    #22070040 - 08/09/15 11:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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cronicr said:
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taGyo said:
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Dr. West said:

Also, I do have to say that I was very surprised to read your advice on not fanning between misting! I'll certainly heed your advice, but, just due to my previous research, I'm baffled at how many differences in opinion there are on what, seems to me, should be such a relatively simple process!



Take everyone's advice with a grain of salt on this forum until you hear it from multiple people.

Ask Cron about it :thumbup:

To clarify, mist and then fan 2 times a day and no fanning in between is what I'm talking about. You can fan in between with good FAE and damp perlite but it's just not necessary. The mushrooms do need a level of humidity, FAE and room temperature to do optimal.



yep take a little bit of ":whathesaid:" and mix with a little":whatshesaid:" add a little :facepalm: and profit



Cron, That was gold  :nodofunderstanding:


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Re: First Grow. Pictures Of Cakes After 6 Days In SGFC. [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #22070950 - 08/10/15 09:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ha! Thanks, Cron!  :takingnotes:


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Re: First Grow. Pictures Of Cakes After 6 Days In SGFC. [Re: Dr. West]
    #22070959 - 08/10/15 09:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: First Grow. Pictures Of Cakes After 6 Days In SGFC. [Re: taGyo]
    #22071061 - 08/10/15 09:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Good job building your SGFC to spec :thumbup:, that's rare for new members.





Hey,I resemble that remark! It was just this one mistake, I swear.

(Sorry, I couldn't resist. Going to drill a new one now.) sigh

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OP, dude, that's a great looking setup. Patience, man, it's hard but it's the key. Enjoy the journey, brother. Looks like you're one of us, who will one day be one of them. You got the bug, too.

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Re: First Grow. Pictures Of Cakes After 6 Days In SGFC. [Re: Ajahn Don]
    #22071548 - 08/10/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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OP, dude, that's a great looking setup. Patience, man, it's hard but it's the key. Enjoy the journey, brother. Looks like you're one of us, who will one day be one of them. You got the bug, too.

:nothingtoadd:




Thanks, Ajahn! I've been trying to go about everything with as much scientific precision as possible. After my dream of one day being involved in the sciences was shot down by high school chemistry--bad math skills  :foreheadslap:-- it's nice to be doing something involved and challenging again. Ha! And I thought making complicated cocktails was fun! :laugh:


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Re: First Grow. Pictures Of Cakes After 6 Days In SGFC. [Re: Dr. West]
    #22071772 - 08/10/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Trust me, I understand. My math is limited to counting to twenty-one and one-and-a-half-times-the-bet. I suck at math. I score off the charts in everything else, so this is a nice challenge.

I've become very respectful of the guys here, and the cubes. This is a lot more sophisticated and complex than I had ever thought. I love it when guys say use the search engine, on reflex. Sure, there are jerkoffs who jump in and ask basic questions, and even more who don't listen when they're told. But we all have to admit that much of the details is only found within threads. Shit, I'm still looking for the post that Frank said when to add gypsum so it doesn't sit in a pile on the bottom of the container. I got it right once, but forgot what I did and what he said. Just one example of dozens. I just redid my SFGC, not only because I drilled 3/8" holes (D'oh!), but because I'm sure the holes were clogged at the bottom by dust because I used some good advice to rinse in the shower since I don't have a sink hose, but the advice didn't include to be sure the dust is rinsed out so the holes don't get clogged. Now, would some smart-ass tell me how to search for that little bit of information? :lol:

I've read countless threads, and often the advice is repeated. At my advanced age, nothing is repeated so often I can't forget it. Just a lot to learn.

Welcome to the party, Pal!

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Re: First Grow. Pictures Of Cakes After 6 Days In SGFC. [Re: Ajahn Don]
    #22072332 - 08/10/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The grow chamber looks good. Not sure how you will get better fresh air exchange. Looks like a humidity issue. Cakes love being wet. I would mist them more often. Let the water build up on them.


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