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    #22067704 - 08/09/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)


Using popcorn as grain,  coco coir and vermiculite for casing and psilocybe "alacabenzi"  I have developed(from what my research tells me) nice, fuzzy and bright white mycelium and primordia. These then turned into what I would only be able to  describe as "the bulb at the bottom of a stipe" and are covered in what I can only describe as white, bumpy "pin heads". These developed 4 days ago and continue to develop white, bumpy "pinheads" and they're developing all over my casing. Is this a good sign? The pics above aren't quite the best, but they're the best I can do for now. Any help is much appreciated.


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Re: First time grower seeking help [Re: Bdavis247420]
    #22067823 - 08/09/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What the fuck am I even looking at?

Why is that not level at least? What is your fruiting chamber, open-air?

What was your spawn ratio? How did you do your coir/verm? Why does that look so odd?

Why are you taking pictures at that angle? Take a pic of the whole sub.

Did you case or just not let it completely cover? Are those mushrooms in the last few pictures or just weird ass brown bulbs?

Where did you get these spores?

Do you have pictures of your jars?

Is this real life?

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Re: First time grower seeking help [Re: Bdavis247420]
    #22067888 - 08/09/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:justnotright:


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Re: First time grower seeking help [Re: taGyo]
    #22067991 - 08/09/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Pictures above are "close-ups" of the said "bulbs"
Might look uneven, those are just busting through the dirt on one side
My fruiting chamber is the container it's in and the lid is behind some of the pictures. I fan 3x daily with misting twice.
My ratio is 50/50 coir verm and I inoculated the kernels and the coir/verm all at once and got those bulbs covered in "pinheads" at week 2(4 days ago)
Spores are from a vendor and I didn't use jars.


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Re: First time grower seeking help [Re: Bdavis247420]
    #22067997 - 08/09/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Edit the vendor out, I just wanted to know if it came from a user or a vendor.

So did you inoculate the grains, let them fully colonize and then put them in the coir or did you inoculate the grains and the coir at the same time?

Put the lid back on, that needs to fully colonize. I have no idea what those bulbs are but they look like the heads of mushrooms. Clear away some of the coir/verm and show me.

Did you use Damion5050's elementary coir tek (AKA Bucket Tek) or did you actually use 50/50 verm and coir?

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595

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Re: First time grower seeking help [Re: Bdavis247420]
    #22068000 - 08/09/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Might wanna remove that vendor name.

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Re: First time grower seeking help [Re: Bdavis247420]
    #22068003 - 08/09/15 04:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That needs to go in the oven at 375 degrees for 45 minutes


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Re: First time grower seeking help [Re: ICEMANOO9]
    #22068009 - 08/09/15 04:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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That needs to go in the oven at 375 degrees for 45 minutes



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Re: First time grower seeking help [Re: taGyo]
    #22068031 - 08/09/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Edited name.. Sorry folks. But i inoculated the coir/verm and popcorn all at one time and I just eyeballed the coir/verm honestly. I'll scratch some away now and post pics after, but if you think they're heads of toadstools than that gives me a little relief and clarity also.


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Re: First time grower seeking help [Re: Bdavis247420]
    #22068078 - 08/09/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah,

Next time inoculate the jars and let them colonize and then inoculate the substrate with the colonized grains. I'd put the top back on that and wait.


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Re: First time grower seeking help [Re: Bdavis247420]
    #22068104 - 08/09/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

if you simply put grains and sub together and inoc'd just start over.


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Re: First time grower seeking help [Re: taGyo]
    #22068113 - 08/09/15 04:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Good luck, hopefully the mean green doesn't pay you a visit.


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Re: First time grower seeking help [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22068139 - 08/09/15 04:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

9/10 says it's fucked.

I'm just trying to be nice about it lol.


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Re: First time grower seeking help [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22068157 - 08/09/15 04:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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After scratching away some casing... The mycelium is dense, white and strong with "bulbs" everywhere and spreads across the whole bottom of the tray and is all covered with "pinheads" at close view.


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Re: First time grower seeking help [Re: Bdavis247420]
    #22068178 - 08/09/15 04:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Honestly I have no idea if I'm looking at grains or the tops of mushrooms.


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Re: First time grower seeking help [Re: Bdavis247420]
    #22068190 - 08/09/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Why would you scratch away at the casing, you're only making the tray more exposed to contams since it's not fully colonized.


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Re: First time grower seeking help [Re: taGyo]
    #22068203 - 08/09/15 04:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The yellow is the grains, but the mycelium is covering or connecting them all. It kinda bruised blue in a spot that I got too deep with the fork while scratching


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Re: First time grower seeking help [Re: Bdavis247420]
    #22068212 - 08/09/15 04:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Because I'm not quite sure what I'm doing since it's my first time and am trying to provide good pictures for you pros to give this rook advice on. He wanted to see pics of what was under the casing so I carefully did what I could.


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Re: First time grower seeking help [Re: Bdavis247420]
    #22068276 - 08/09/15 05:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You need to follow a proper tek these guy will tell you. Have you learned to pressure cook your grains and inoculate because from your pictures it look as if you mixed them in a tray. These guy will help if you take some time and list your procedure every step so that way, they can tell you where you went wrong.


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Re: First time grower seeking help [Re: ICEMANOO9]
    #22068287 - 08/09/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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The yellow is the grains, but the mycelium is covering or connecting them all. It kinda bruised blue in a spot that I got too deep with the fork while scratching



You shoulda used a spoon to LIGHTLY scoop it up, rather then scraping the surface, that's just asking for problems


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Re: First time grower seeking help [Re: ICEMANOO9]
    #22068360 - 08/09/15 05:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I most definitely will on my next batch, I'm going to actually order a whole kit until I get comfortable with what I'm doing. That's just the thing though, from everything I've read online and in other forums, it says I'm right on par with what I'm looking at especially seeing the "pins". After looking at it again, it appears that the "bulbs" im convinced  are mushroom heads and the stipe is even seen  going down and through the coir/verm and grain. The bulbs are turning goldish brown and are sprouting other pinhead from the base of the stem

. But, I got my kernels, soaked them 24 hours overnight then proceeded to simmer them for an go ur, drained, cooled and put them in its container it's in now after rinsing it (the container) out with hot water and a tiny bit of bleach.  I then mixed coir and verm and hydrated, then microwaved it to sterilize. Once that cooled, I combined with the kernels and poke 4 holes in the top of the containers lid and filled holes with rips off of 6 coffee filters stacked together. I flame sterilized my needle and proceeded to inoculate. I then taped the holes and the container shut and set in my cupboard for 2 weeks until I seen colonization. I then took it out, introduced it to natural, indirect sunlight and started airing and fanning 2x a day-one first thing in morning and another at night with very light misting.

As of day 18(today) I seem to have a stem with a couple  goldish brown heads forming and sprouting other pinheads throughout and no visible signs of contam. The container even smells like fresh mushrooms at the moment.

I really do appreciate all the insight and help fellas and I look forward to whatever insight can be provided!


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Re: First time grower seeking help [Re: Bdavis247420]
    #22068367 - 08/09/15 05:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Duly noted! Thanks soulful!


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    #22068374 - 08/09/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: First time grower seeking help [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22068393 - 08/09/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Honestly bro I'd just toss that :shrug:

Whether he used a spoon or a fork that's a fucked substrate and you will not get anything great from that.

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Re: First time grower seeking help [Re: taGyo]
    #22068405 - 08/09/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

yeah if you even skipped PC'ing the grains there's really not much hope.


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    #22068419 - 08/09/15 05:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

take better pictures so we can really tell wth those things you are questions really are. Because they do kinda look like pins coming through the casig but than again they could be just u colonized exposed grains. If that's the case just throw it out.


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    #22068424 - 08/09/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Those actually look like fuckin mushrooms to me


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    #22068446 - 08/09/15 05:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Don't throw it out


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Re: First time grower seeking help [Re: ICEMANOO9]
    #22068450 - 08/09/15 05:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'll see what I can do with the pictures, but you're not yanking my chain are you iceman?


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Re: First time grower seeking help [Re: Bdavis247420]
    #22068454 - 08/09/15 05:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Iceman knows more then all of us combined.

I think he's actually RogerRabbit's puppet.

I'm joking by the way.

Do what you want but you followed no procedures lol. I would toss that and start over or let it go and start a new project and learn proper procedure.

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Re: First time grower seeking help [Re: taGyo]
    #22068489 - 08/09/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

This is almost as good as the elephant shit in the aquarium thread. Please don't toss yet, I want to know what the "yellow bulbs" are. What in the actual fuck!

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Re: First time grower seeking help [Re: taGyo]
    #22068510 - 08/09/15 05:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hence my first post:

Quote:

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What the fuck am I even looking at?

Why is that not level at least? What is your fruiting chamber, open-air?

What was your spawn ratio? How did you do your coir/verm? Why does that look so odd?

Why are you taking pictures at that angle? Take a pic of the whole sub.

Did you case or just not let it completely cover? Are those mushrooms in the last few pictures or just weird ass brown bulbs?

Where did you get these spores?

Do you have pictures of your jars?

Is this real life?

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    #22068616 - 08/09/15 06:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I think this thread deserves a good ol :notsureif:


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    #22068621 - 08/09/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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    #22068668 - 08/09/15 06:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yep iceman they're mushrooms alright, you happy?


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    #22068672 - 08/09/15 06:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I see grains and CVG.


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    #22068681 - 08/09/15 06:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Idk about iceman, but I'm for sure happy to hear that!


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    #22068701 - 08/09/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Sorry but... I was actually joking.  :sad:  That looks like grain to me.


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    #22068773 - 08/09/15 06:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Damn I would hate for your efforts to be in vein but i agree as Faygo first post stated wtf am I looking at? Lol Just pick off one those "bulbs" and tell us what it is? If it's a pin its pin if it's a grain than it is. Lol is this real life


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Re: First time grower seeking help [Re: ICEMANOO9]
    #22068835 - 08/09/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Well I picked one off, and it's just popcorn encased by white primordia? Lol


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    #22068855 - 08/09/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Lmao than you can expect its contaminated and should start to smell really bad soon..


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Re: First time grower seeking help [Re: ICEMANOO9]
    #22068858 - 08/09/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Damn..


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    #22068859 - 08/09/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Probably not primordia, since primordia would insinuate that you're having some level of success, which is not what's happening here unfortunately.

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    #22068864 - 08/09/15 06:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:likeaboss: :whathesaid:


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Re: First time grower seeking help [Re: Inocuole]
    #22069045 - 08/09/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Probably not primordia, since primordia would insinuate that you're having some level of success, which is not what's happening here unfortunately.

Also LOL@ calling tagyo faygo.



As long as no one's giving bad advice :thumbup:

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Re: First time grower seeking help [Re: taGyo]
    #22069142 - 08/09/15 07:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the advice guys! I'm gonna let em go and see what happens for experiments sake. If anything changes for the better I'll be sure to update.

Back to the drawing boards and books I go.


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    #22069154 - 08/09/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: First time grower seeking help [Re: Inocuole]
    #22069323 - 08/09/15 08:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Idk if these look much better, but these are from an Australian spore syringe that I started around the same time actually using a popcorn tek I found on this site. Used same coir and verm for these, incubated them in a jar using steam to sterilize  and spawned without dunking. Still colonizing in my tub at the moment


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    #22069360 - 08/09/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i know everyone will say to toss it but for your own experience just leave it another week or so if it looks gross THAN throw it away


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    #22069381 - 08/09/15 08:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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i know everyone will say to toss it but for your own experience just leave it another week or so if it looks gross THAN throw it away



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Re: First time grower seeking help [Re: taGyo]
    #22069385 - 08/09/15 08:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, dwell in your mistakes a bit longer so you can really savor the taste of shortcoming.
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Re: First time grower seeking help [Re: Inocuole]
    #22069426 - 08/09/15 08:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Sooner you start over, happier you'll be.



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    #22069441 - 08/09/15 08:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Lol exactly dwell on your mistakes.


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