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Pinout and fruiting - heat problems
    #22067347 - 08/09/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hi guys.
So, my 3 layered box (perlite;Hpoo+colonised corn+vermiculite+gypsum;coco coir+chalk+vermiculite) finally colonised, but I have kinda problem with heat. I want to start fruiting already, mycelium is forming something that I think could be hyphal knots, but it's like 104 degrees outside during the day, and 85 degrees in my room, and that sucks for fruiting afaik. Even during the night the temperature doesn't go under 68 degrees..Ideal would be like 75 degrees, but this heatwawe I'm experincing now should last at least 10 days or so..The only colder place I have is basement, it's like 73 degrees during the day and 66 during the night, but that place is MOLDY, humid, and nasty as hell, and thanks to FAE all nasty stuff from the walls and so on would be inside the fruiting chamber..Thanks to all those problems with temperature I feel like I'm kinda fucked..So, what would be the best thing to do now?

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That moldy ass basement I'm talking about

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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: AuxCZ]
    #22067366 - 08/09/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

can you take another picture of the substrate?

That first picture make me go :mindblown:


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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: Yerow]
    #22067393 - 08/09/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What the fuck is going on with that fruiting chamber?  Where are your holes?  Those are primordia but they won't get far if that's how you're fruiting them.


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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: Inocuole]
    #22067415 - 08/09/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

There are no holes, I'm fanning it every 5 hours...where should I make them? And brb, taking another pic.


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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: AuxCZ]
    #22067435 - 08/09/15 02:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Fanning is not FAE though, it's just fanning.  They like fresh air.  Did you just make up this design or what?  http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542#20195542

I'm sure you can figure out from that where your holes need to be.


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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: AuxCZ]
    #22067460 - 08/09/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So, if I get this right, the holes should be like...everywhere..Well, not a problem, for some reason I thought the fanning is enought..
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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: AuxCZ]
    #22067495 - 08/09/15 02:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Probably actually better of not making that big tub into a SGFC, and instead, making the small one into a mono.  But it appears it's already colonizing holyy crap it's colonizing in fruiting how did I not see that---- colonizing isn't supposed to be happening anywhere near perlite.  That green tub should have a lid on it and be somewhere with very little air movement.  Fanning out a colonizing tub is... well, I can guarantee nobody who knows what they're doing told you to do that.

At this rate I don't know what to recommend because you have a colonizing substrate in an unfinished fruiting chamber, inside of ANOTHER unfinished fruiting chamber, in something that's somewhat like fruiting.

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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: AuxCZ]
    #22067535 - 08/09/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I put it into the big tub today, it's been colonising for 6 days with a lid on - just like you said.. and at least 3 people told me that the best moment to switch from colonising to fruiting is when about 60-80% of surface of the substrate is covered in mycelium..


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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: AuxCZ]
    #22067562 - 08/09/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Current progress is : The green tub has it's lid back on, and is sitting on a shelf. I made some kind of stand for the big, transparent tub, and now I'm measuring the grid for all those holes..(Oh, and  all that wet perlite is in another big ass container)

EDIT: the big tub is now proper SGTC I hope, it has it's stand, like 5" tall, and it's full of holes in 2" grid...so, should I put that green tub in the SGTC (with perlite, of course), or should I let it colonise completely (With black lid)?


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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: AuxCZ]
    #22067846 - 08/09/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Well let it finish colonizing and then put it back in the SGFC I guess.  Those giant walls are going to prevent the fruiting chamber from working correctly though.


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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: AuxCZ]
    #22067915 - 08/09/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So..you thing that I should cut down the plastic sides of that green tub to like (substrate + 0.5") ?


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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: Inocuole]
    #22067918 - 08/09/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Get a hot knife and cut that down so it's right at substrate level. Your perlite is useless right now.


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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: taGyo]
    #22067934 - 08/09/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'll let it colonise completely (outside the transparent tub), then I'll cut the sides of the green tub. Also, the perlite wasn't there during colonisation, I put all that perlite there today (and it wasn't in the transparent tub)


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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: AuxCZ]
    #22067974 - 08/09/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: taGyo]
    #22068050 - 08/09/15 04:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Don't butcher  that green tub! Imo all you needed to do was make a proper SGFC out of the big clear plastic tote. Holes 2" apart all six sides. Leave the green tote as is its fine.


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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: ICEMANOO9]
    #22068058 - 08/09/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So tell me, he of 125 posts in three years, how will he get FAE into the big green tub?


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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: ICEMANOO9]
    #22068059 - 08/09/15 04:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Once it's completely colonized just slide that substrate out onto a black plactis trash bag and put in your FC that way. That is a nice tub that way you can save it for another use


It would only take a few posts and common sense to figure that out


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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: AuxCZ]
    #22068199 - 08/09/15 04:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Current status of SGFC:



I'll let then substrate colonise completely, then I'll cut down the walls of the green tub, and then I'll put it into that SGFC with all that wet perlite...And it looks like that fanning and misting four times a day is optimal..

Well, it looks like we maybe solved the "I am faggot for trying to design my own tek" (I don't mean it sarcastically), but I still have the heat problem (and thank you guys, you saved my grow I think (Again, this is not sarcasm)..

(and that green tub costs like $1.2 ,I don't have problem with slaughtering the everloving shit out of it (read as: Cutting it with hot knife), I can have another 10 of these tommorow.)


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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: ICEMANOO9]
    #22068213 - 08/09/15 04:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Once it's completely colonized just slide that substrate out onto a black plactis trash bag and put in your FC that way. That is a nice tub that way you can save it for another use


It would only take a few posts and common sense to figure that out



Because he can't get multiple tray uses out of that green tote?


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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: taGyo]
    #22068234 - 08/09/15 04:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Your right about that and ita a perfect size too. Maybe not cut it down SO deep that way it can hold a thicker sub?


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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: ICEMANOO9]
    #22068460 - 08/09/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:thumbup:,

The problem is how thick his sub is now. FAE and humidity will suffer because of it. If you want to cut it down a 1/2" or an inch higher that might still work. I just don't want him to get a shitty pinset and tiny mushrooms from low humidity and overall FAE.


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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: taGyo]
    #22068546 - 08/09/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The whole sub is like 3.6 inches thick..1.1" of perlite, 1.5" of hpoo, and maybe 1.1" of coco coir..


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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: AuxCZ]
    #22068560 - 08/09/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You want 4" of perlite in that tub.

Did you use perlite in the mix with the grains?


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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: taGyo]
    #22068637 - 08/09/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You want 4" of perlite in that tub.

Did you use perlite in the mix with the grains?




It sure fucking sounds like it. :rofl2:


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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: AuxCZ]
    #22068652 - 08/09/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I meant in that green tub, and nope, the grains are mixed with horse poo and vermiculite ( 8.5:1 I think), perlite is the layer under it..in the transparent tub, there's maybe 5" of perlite, it should be about 12 litres or so..


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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: AuxCZ]
    #22068658 - 08/09/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:thumbup:,

I'd cut that bin down honestly.


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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: taGyo]
    #22068670 - 08/09/15 06:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I'd cut that bin down honestly.




For all the work of cutting it down why not put holes in it and make it a mono?


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    #22068675 - 08/09/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:lol:

I agree :shrug:


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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: taGyo]
    #22068715 - 08/09/15 06:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: AuxCZ]
    #22068913 - 08/09/15 07:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The whole sub is like 3.6 inches thick..1.1" of perlite, 1.5" of hpoo, and maybe 1.1" of coco coir..




do you have perlite in the green box? that's no good. perlite is only for fruiting chambers like the sgfc. not in or under the substrate itself.

I would just make the green box into a monotub, its not gonna do well in the big clear plastic box.

Here is how to make a monotub its real easy its just 6 larger holes in 1 tub.


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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: spacechildo]
    #22068929 - 08/09/15 07:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah perlite is a volcanic rock, it's basically like feeding your substrate glass.  At best it'll do nothing, at worst you could find a piece in the stipe of a mushroom and it won't be yummy.


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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: Inocuole]
    #22070535 - 08/10/15 05:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Well, I'm getting kinda lost in there..I'm afraid that the green tub is too smal for mono, it has only like 5 inches of free space above the substrate..I like the idea of SGFC more, mainly after my 2 hours long "Gotta make holes journey"..The air in my room has like 55% of RH most of the time, so I think that sgfc would be better, but idk..Also, I drew the layers of the substrate

, the perlite here is to serve as a water supply, I saw a lot of people to do it like this..
At this speed, the substrate will be 100% colonised propably tommorow, so I have like 24 hours to think..


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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: AuxCZ]
    #22070575 - 08/10/15 06:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Okay well, people used to throw perlite in the bottom of their subs or those kits you order sometimes theres perlite in the bottom of those too, so much bad information still flowing around.

Perlite is not used in the substrates for mushrooms, if you are growing plants like chilli and shit its great to throw in the mix with whatever you use for that but not mushrooms.

Basic Principles of a Monotub
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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: Yerow]
    #22070577 - 08/10/15 06:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Dont get me wrong, it will still fruit but your next trial, try to do it by the book of some updated TEK :smile:


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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: Yerow]
    #22074931 - 08/11/15 05:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Got my first pin (still during colonisation,moved it to SGFC when I noticed it)



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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: AuxCZ]
    #22075428 - 08/11/15 09:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:thumbup:

Primordia all over the place.


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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: taGyo]
    #22075767 - 08/11/15 10:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks man, the whole thing looks like this now



Additionaly, I just have one question about misting, I saw a lot of people disagree on how I should mist during pinning and fruiting, one group says that I should not mist at all, after I see first pins/primordia, next group says that I should mist only the walls of the casing, and the last group says that I can mist even the substrate, just lightly, no direct stream etc...I heard that this can cause aborts, but noone is really sure what is right..I thought about misting the walls and perlite only, but idk if it will be enought..


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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: AuxCZ]
    #22075793 - 08/11/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

all sounds whack to me, just mist when the cakes no longer glisten with moisture even if there's pins, knots, mature fruits or whatever.
mist the cakes and the perlite, walls doesnt matter.

the stuff you are reading must be really old, back when fruiting chambers didnt have holes
you couldnt mist as much because the fruits would be sitting sogging wet and then abort.


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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: spacechildo]
    #22076329 - 08/11/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Alright, so I misted it, both substrate with myc and perlite, and then fanned it for maybe 60 seconds..I'll do this maybe 4 times a day, is there something else I should be worried about? Those pins signalise that the harvest is near, and I don't to fuck anything up now..


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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: AuxCZ]
    #22076361 - 08/11/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

still a bit till harvest...:thumbup:


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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: AuxCZ]
    #22076447 - 08/11/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I know, but compared to the rest of the growing journey...


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    #22076461 - 08/11/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

just mist as needed but also allow the substrate to dry up a bit in between mistings. that's all you can do now. and be patient :thumbup:


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    #22076836 - 08/11/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: AuxCZ]
    #22077408 - 08/11/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Alright, so I misted it, both substrate with myc and perlite, and then fanned it for maybe 60 seconds..I'll do this maybe 4 times a day, is there something else I should be worried about? Those pins signalise that the harvest is near, and I don't to fuck anything up now..



You will only need 2 or 3 times and fan for 25-30 seconds.

Honestly, if you can get away with less misting you will get more mushrooms. Don't let it get DRY but the DRIER it gets between mistings will stimulate more pins:

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Fanning is not FAE. FAE is the passive act of air exchange, reducing CO2 levels and increasing O2. Mushrooms are closer to humans then plants so imagine if I put you in a room with a limited supply of oxygen and expected you to not only live but produce a Mona Lisa at the same time. You would suffer and probably die while drawing stick figures.

In the wild mushrooms are CONSTANTLY blasted by fresh air. There are very few places on Earth that are 100% humidity all the time. Mushrooms like fluctuation, this is what they're used to.

I've done a few cakes and a bunch of monotubs. You don't want it to be WET honestly. You want it to get a little dry before you mist again. Pins form from water evaporating on the surface. How do you think I knew you were over-misting and recommended that you cut down? Because those cakes look like they're getting loved to death. Without a proper environment the cakes won't pin.

DO NOT FAN IN BETWEEN MISTINGS. Fanning is to quickly destroy the environment so the fresh air coming in will have to pull more water from the perlite (Which you should also be misting lightly) to restart the humidity. This gives your cakes a jump start on the drying process and also wicks away excessive moisture from the cakes.

The reason why they're growing out like that past the dry verm layer is because they're getting over-saturated which is telling them they're not supposed to pin yet. Mushrooms don't like overly wet environments. Your SGFC should be 6-12" away from the wall and 6-12" away from the floor. In the middle of the room is ideal.

In the future the oven isn't necessary. But use it if you like.

DON'T ROLL FOR THE SECOND FLUSH.

Are their holes on the bottom? Raise that higher. Do you have qt jars?




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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: taGyo]
    #22077427 - 08/11/15 05:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Honestly, if you can get away with less misting you will get more mushrooms. Don't let it get DRY but the DRIER it gets between mistings will stimulate more pins:





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    #22077430 - 08/11/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Honestly, if you can get away with less misting you will get more mushrooms. Don't let it get DRY but the DRIER it gets between mistings will stimulate more pins:





:hmm:



If he allows for evaporation to occur rather then misting when it's wet he won't get more primordia? At least as much as genetically wired.


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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: taGyo]
    #22077465 - 08/11/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Well yeah it needs to get dry before it's misted again but things like "the drier it gets before you mist it the better" can be interpreted pretty extremely by someone who has no idea what they're doing.


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Re: Pinout and fruiting - heat problems [Re: taGyo]
    #22077472 - 08/11/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

To clarify to future readers and OP:

Don't let it get bone dry. Just dry enough to warrant a mist :wink:


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