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Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow)
    #22067107 - 08/09/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

After dunking 6qt of oat spawn I had this leftover.  It felt like a waste to throw out all that nutritious not to mention myc laden water.  So I added a bit more water to bring it up to four quarts...



and tossed it in a bucket with some coir and verm.

I let the coir sit for a bit, then tried stirring it with a wooden spoon.  This didn't work out so well and I ended up just using my hands.  It was a pain in the ass to be honest and if I do this again I'll probably use a quart of boiling water straight to coir and let it hydrate a bit before adding the grain dunk water and verm, and of course, let it cool down so it doesn't kill any myc in the water.

A handful of gypsum, a bit more verm, and 6qt of spawn later my bucket looked like this.



The bucket was distributed evenly between 4 6qt shoeboxes.



And now it's colonizing.  I'll update in a few days once the myc recovers.


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22067129 - 08/09/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:lol:

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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: spacechildo]
    #22067191 - 08/09/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I hope that doesn't contam on you :eek:


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22067561 - 08/09/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm optimistic about contams.  Coir is hydrated all the time without any pasteurisation for pets.  The grain water may create a vector though.

I'm more concerned about rather or not it will colonize 'uncooked' and if so how fast.

But yeah, a big experiment.  If I would have thought about it this morning I would have broken a brick in half.  Would have given better data too.

Here's an interesting and somewhat related thread.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19414173


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22067679 - 08/09/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You should have boiled the grain water and then used it to break up the brick.

Can't wait for results :thumbup:


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: taGyo]
    #22070930 - 08/10/15 09:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The tubs look to be recovering quickly.  The spawn ratio was fairly high but with a quick peek it looks like either myc that broke off during the mix or myc from the grain water is colonizing the coir (i.e. I see inoculation points that aren't oats).

I'm going to wait until tomorrow to grab some pictures.

Another experiment I'm running in a similar vein is dunking grains with coffee water (second brew coffee rapidly cooled with ice cubes).

Assuming both experiments work (give me a flush or two without any signs of contams) the goal is to combine both methods and run some side by sides using clones.  I'm hoping to see a noticeable improvement in yield and colonization time.

As for hydrating the coir, I don't want to boil the grain water taGyo.  Eventually I want to agitate the grains during the soak to break off a lot of myc.  But I think if I end up with 2qts of grain water I can still boil 2qts of water and put it straight on the brick (no verm) to get it to hydrate easier.  Then let it cool overnight, dunk my grains, add the grain dunk water, add the verm and gypsum, and hopefully have a nice coir substrate with lots of extra nutrition and inoculation points :laugh:


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22071079 - 08/10/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22071124 - 08/10/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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I hope that doesn't contam on you :eek:




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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #22072313 - 08/10/15 03:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If Mikey likes it, I like it.

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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: Ajahn Don]
    #22072528 - 08/10/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The extra inoculation points seem to be coming from the verm.  Again I'm not sure if I can attribute this to the grain water hydration or just the regular mix as I've never really watched it closely before.

But I have been trying to figure out, if this does work without contams, how I can get the best of both worlds by having cooked coir and myc laden water.  Hydrating the verm with grain dunk water and the coir with regular water so it can be cooked and pasteurized separately might do the trick.


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22075287 - 08/11/15 08:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Not impressed so far.  I'll post another update in 48 hours.



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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22075302 - 08/11/15 08:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:popcorn:


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: Peter Pan]
    #22075314 - 08/11/15 08:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

contamination city right here boys R.I.P man your gonna grow out the plague with that shit


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: Peter Pan]
    #22075316 - 08/11/15 08:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: mrbart4444]
    #22075379 - 08/11/15 08:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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contamination city right here boys R.I.P man your gonna grow out the plague with that shit




Maybe :shrug:

I have a lot of space for colonization so I won't be heartbroken if I lose all the tubs.  Less than $2 worth of Coir and probably a $1 worth of oats.

Worth it to satisfy my curiosity.

Now if I lose my PE tub, just grain dunked spawned to cvg...  well that would suck :frown:


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22086575 - 08/13/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So this is four days from spawn.  Considering the usual vigor of this strain and the spawn ratio I think the extra nutrients have slowed down colonization.



*edit* The tubs are lined with clear plastic bags and look healthy on the outside and the tops.  No yellowing or weak looking myc.

The coffee tub is doing well too.  I may try a coffee dunk to blended spawn on my next experiment like this.

Assuming these tubs fruit without getting nasty anyway.


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22097920 - 08/16/15 08:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Day 7.  Still chugging along, still no yellow on the outside of any of the tubs, still quite slow for the spawn ratio but they're mostly colonized.  They're going to have to consolidate a bit anyway as my fruiting space is occupied.  I hope they enjoy the extra nutes and give me good sized flushes.  I'll probably do a thin coir casing layer before I spawn.



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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22098084 - 08/16/15 09:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: taGyo]
    #22106768 - 08/18/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Still goin' good?


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: taGyo]
    #22107427 - 08/18/15 04:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Not so sure.  Some condensation has dripped down on one of the tubs and the water was yellowing.  I dabbed it up this morning and cleaned the lid off.

Another tub looks a little weird to me.  It smells fine and the surrounding myc looks healthy but there's some questionable growth.  It's hard to tell from the pic but it's almost grey rather than white.



I might have some cobweb starting too.  I had a massive outbreak in some King Oyster tubs this morning that were spawned in a similar fashion.  My first cobweb outbreak so I'm still learning the early signs.  I guess tomorrow we'll know one way or the other.


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22108360 - 08/18/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

paperbackwriter said:
Not so sure.  Some condensation has dripped down on one of the tubs and the water was yellowing.  I dabbed it up this morning and cleaned the lid off.

Another tub looks a little weird to me.  It smells fine and the surrounding myc looks healthy but there's some questionable growth.  It's hard to tell from the pic but it's almost grey rather than white.



I might have some cobweb starting too.  I had a massive outbreak in some King Oyster tubs this morning that were spawned in a similar fashion.  My first cobweb outbreak so I'm still learning the early signs.  I guess tomorrow we'll know one way or the other.





looks like the tub i had go green yesterday


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: mrbart4444]
    #22109803 - 08/19/15 05:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Is that the sub that was over hydrated?


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: insanemike]
    #22110087 - 08/19/15 07:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Whelp, no cobweb, no trich.  Still smelling fine.  I think I'm just being paranoid.

Going to case and fruit this afternoon :smile:


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22110112 - 08/19/15 08:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah that looks ab it off...

Cobweb:



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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: taGyo]
    #22110129 - 08/19/15 08:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, I double checked it this morning.  I had cobweb in some King Oyster tubs yesterday I had to toss.

But it's my understanding that in high co2 environments cobweb has explosive growth.  Since I'm not seeing that from yesterday to today I'm assuming I was just being paranoid.


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22110150 - 08/19/15 08:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yup, it's high CO2.

Here was that cup before cobwweb:



Wrapped way too tight, no holes poked for GE.

Cobweb can be destroyed with a mist of H202.


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: taGyo]
    #22110154 - 08/19/15 08:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, my King's had trich too.  Beyond salvation.  I should have taken a pic for the how it shouldn't look thread :lol:


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22110161 - 08/19/15 08:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:rofl:


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: taGyo]
    #22117396 - 08/20/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Tubs are cased and fruiting.

Here's one of the tubs.  They're not taped so the imperfect fit gives air exchange out the bottoms.  You can barely make out the lack of condensation running around the edges of the tubs.



And here's a pic of my casing layer on the same tub.  These were put into fruiting conditions yesterday.  The casing is CVG, about 50/50 and a bit on the dry side.



Do the condensation lines look alright?  Does the casing look right?  To dry?  To wet?

Any advice or encouragement would be appreciated.


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22117636 - 08/20/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17332777/fpart/all/vc/1

It looks a little dry from my end. If the coir is dark brown it's fine, if it's light brown it needs a mist. Probably your camera though.`

Your top holes look good in terms of evap lines.

I see cube myc popping up :awesome:


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: taGyo]
    #22117671 - 08/20/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's medium brown.  Not like mud but not like dry dirt.  It was feild capacity substrate I added a few handfuls of verm too.  Basing it off Frank's dry side of feild capacity (but he was talking jiffy-mix).


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22117693 - 08/20/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:super:,

Jiffy and CVG are slightly different but it should be fine.


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: taGyo]
    #22129904 - 08/23/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Some visible pinning going on on the side of one of the tubs.  Should be pinning on the surface soon.

2 out of 4 tubs have signs of metabolites where water dripped down between the sub and the lining.  The other 2 look very healthy.


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22129969 - 08/23/15 08:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:salute:


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: taGyo]
    #22130221 - 08/23/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:flyhigh:


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22130229 - 08/23/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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Some visible pinning going on on the side of one of the tubs.  Should be pinning on the surface soon.

2 out of 4 tubs have signs of metabolites where water dripped down between the sub and the lining.  The other 2 look very healthy.



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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: mrbart4444]
    #22130249 - 08/23/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Needs more then one trial but yeah.


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: mrbart4444]
    #22130257 - 08/23/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Colonization times were a lot slower than I'm used to with this clone.  But it was also really hot and I was experimenting with a bit dryer substrate than I usually use.

I don't know that I'll repeat this experiment.  If I get some sick yields I might but again I think my conditions are more dialed in than my last tubs.

Really this experiment doesn't show much beyond proof of concept.  Maybe I'll run some side by sides at some point.


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22130504 - 08/23/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Colonization times were a lot slower than I'm used to with this clone.  But it was also really hot and I was experimenting with a bit dryer substrate than I usually use.

I don't know that I'll repeat this experiment.  If I get some sick yields I might but again I think my conditions are more dialed in than my last tubs.

Really this experiment doesn't show much beyond proof of concept.  Maybe I'll run some side by sides at some point.




Colonization times will be slower because high nutrient always make myc slower, with low nutrient the myc is "in search" for nutes therefore it colonizes faster. Also Myc colonizes a bit faster with dryer substrates.


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #22130651 - 08/23/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, I think there's just easier ways to increase nutrition without affecting colonization times so much.  Higher spawn ratios and using less water in my grain dunk and prep so I'm not pouring so much off are the first to come to mind.

Nutrifying the coir itself, while apparently successful as far as contams go (and a fun experiment for that reason anyway) just isn't as efficient as other methods.

I have considered tossing my grains in a blender with some water to create more inoculation points and to make the nutrients more available.  I'd take the resulting sludge and use it to hydrate my verm (coir would be bucket teked).  Not really a new idea, eat's does something similar with his slurry tek.

My ultimate goal is to get BE up high enough that I can do one flush and be done as my fruiting space is a lot more limited than my colonization space.


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22130771 - 08/23/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If you want high BE work on culture and conditions. Higher spawn ratios will give a bigger yield for the space used but given the grain is usually the heaviest ingredient in the substrate high spawn ratio alone will not improve BE. If you want to do one and done (and have it worthwhile) you should aim for a minimum of 1.5 dry oz per quart of spawn.


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22130878 - 08/23/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, I have been.  I think my tubs are much more dialed in than on my last grow and I've been running casing layers to help with moisture retention.

I plan to test out some new clones and isolates over the coming months.  The clone I'm using for this grow produced great in a mini-shotgun but so far hasn't done well in my dub-tubs.  Probably environmental from my tubs not being dialed in.  Crossing my fingers for a good yield out of this grow.

That said I think I'm aiming more for good yield per tub rather than high BE.  I have plenty of grains and I'm working with oats so they're pretty cheap.  What I lack is a lot of fruiting space.  I have room for 4 6qt dubs to get full light and I can do 4 more on the shelf below.  Currently I have my last tubs on their second flush on the second shelf.  But I'd really like to be using that for colonization space and get a nice single flush rotation.


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22130888 - 08/23/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Get a high BE culture and it really helps. It can take time to find but its worth the work. Extra spawn is great too as is casing. Get all working together and it will blow your mind.

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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22130932 - 08/23/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Get a high BE culture and it really helps. It can take time to find but its worth the work. Extra spawn is great too as is casing. Get all working together and it will blow your mind.

Check this out

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21991976




Hahah..  I've read that thread.  Inspiring work man :laugh:


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22134466 - 08/24/15 08:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Pins are starting to break the surface.  I've had to mist one of the tubs twice where the casing was drying out a bit along the edge.  I've adjusted how the top sits a bit so hopefully this will resolve without me having to resort to tape.


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22160617 - 08/29/15 12:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Drying some of the first flush.  I got a really uneven pinset.  Some nice 6" side pins but my casing may have been a bit too dry and my rh a bit too low.


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter] * 1
    #22160623 - 08/29/15 12:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

No pics?


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: taGyo]
    #22160795 - 08/29/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'll see if I can get some good ones of one of the other tubs. I was gone the last couple of days so when I got home I harvested and tossed them in the dehydrator before bed.

This tub had about 3 or 4 like this, nice meaty stems on them but as you can see the pinsets was really lacking.



And here's the ones I picked last night.  The three of them weigh about four grams dry.



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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22160801 - 08/29/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Noticed anything worth hydrating with dunk water?


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: taGyo]
    #22160932 - 08/29/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Nah.  I was raised to be frugal so hate throwing things away plus I felt I had a lot of spawn when I started this.  But I've ran this clone before and the colonization time with this method was really slow in comparison to previous tubs.

I think for extra nutrition it's better just to use more spawn.

The coffee grain dunk is going okay.  No contams but it was also slow to colonize.  It's MS so the results are less conclusive.  That tub is also mostly side pins but has been pinning a bit on the surface today since I sprayed the casing a bit.  I'm going to grab some thick liner, use wetter casings, and keep my polyfil a bit tighter during pinning for my future grows.  Right now I'm using thin clear trash bags and it leaves a lot of air pockets.

Looking at eat's slurry tek I think it might be worthwhile to toss grains in the blender after the dunk.  Should give faster colonization and easier access to the insides of the grains for the myc.  He seems to have had a lot of success and as far as I can tell his technique, for spawning anyway, isn't sterile.

I'll probably play with it next time I have some extra spawn jars.


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22161238 - 08/29/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I actually had the exact same idea after reading some of violet's grainwater teks.

I tried it.  The first time I did it, it colonized fine.  After that, I had like 2/5 successful colonization, with one of those producing small shitty bacterial fruits, no good yielders.

Anyway, if you want to do this, I think Muda Bottles would be the perfect way to go.  That way it's sterilized.


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22161279 - 08/29/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The slurry tek?


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22161326 - 08/29/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

use grain water to hydrate CVG and mix with prepped uncolonized grains in a jar, pc, and inoc with liquids (or grain). :thumbup:

was a bit surprised you didnt see green yet, pc'ing the sub should help either way!


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: spacechildo]
    #22161381 - 08/29/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I figured that coir is contam resistant enough that it would hold out until the myc would colonize it.

But I also figured it would colonize faster rather than slower.  I think the extra nutes gave it little reason to seek out new food sources.

It was pretty warm here when I did this project and 4 out of 4 tubs have survived to produce fruits.  So I think that says quite a bit about just how hard it is to contam on coir if your spawn is clean.

Now rather or not they make it to a second flush is another question.  But I'm using clear liners and the tubs are looking pretty healthy.  Some yellow that I think is anaerobic from water dripping down between the sub and the liner prior to fruiting, but nothing that's getting out of hand.

And yeah, I've read a bit on Muda bottles.  I may give them a shot sometime.


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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22161437 - 08/29/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

yeah coir on its own is pretty fool proof because mold spores wont germinate on it,
but mold would germinate on the bits and pieces from your dunk water and then grow just fine into the coir.

both muda and pasty does some mean mudabottles in monotubs, you should check it out for sure! :thumbup:


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