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Pastywhyte
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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22130771 - 08/23/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you want high BE work on culture and conditions. Higher spawn ratios will give a bigger yield for the space used but given the grain is usually the heaviest ingredient in the substrate high spawn ratio alone will not improve BE. If you want to do one and done (and have it worthwhile) you should aim for a minimum of 1.5 dry oz per quart of spawn.
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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22130878 - 08/23/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, I have been. I think my tubs are much more dialed in than on my last grow and I've been running casing layers to help with moisture retention.
I plan to test out some new clones and isolates over the coming months. The clone I'm using for this grow produced great in a mini-shotgun but so far hasn't done well in my dub-tubs. Probably environmental from my tubs not being dialed in. Crossing my fingers for a good yield out of this grow.
That said I think I'm aiming more for good yield per tub rather than high BE. I have plenty of grains and I'm working with oats so they're pretty cheap. What I lack is a lot of fruiting space. I have room for 4 6qt dubs to get full light and I can do 4 more on the shelf below. Currently I have my last tubs on their second flush on the second shelf. But I'd really like to be using that for colonization space and get a nice single flush rotation.
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22130888 - 08/23/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Get a high BE culture and it really helps. It can take time to find but its worth the work. Extra spawn is great too as is casing. Get all working together and it will blow your mind.
Check this out
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21991976
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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22130932 - 08/23/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Pastywhyte said: Get a high BE culture and it really helps. It can take time to find but its worth the work. Extra spawn is great too as is casing. Get all working together and it will blow your mind.
Check this out
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21991976
Hahah.. I've read that thread. Inspiring work man
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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22134466 - 08/24/15 08:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pins are starting to break the surface. I've had to mist one of the tubs twice where the casing was drying out a bit along the edge. I've adjusted how the top sits a bit so hopefully this will resolve without me having to resort to tape.
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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22160617 - 08/29/15 12:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Drying some of the first flush. I got a really uneven pinset. Some nice 6" side pins but my casing may have been a bit too dry and my rh a bit too low.
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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter] 1
#22160623 - 08/29/15 12:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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No pics?
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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: taGyo]
#22160795 - 08/29/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'll see if I can get some good ones of one of the other tubs. I was gone the last couple of days so when I got home I harvested and tossed them in the dehydrator before bed.
This tub had about 3 or 4 like this, nice meaty stems on them but as you can see the pinsets was really lacking.

And here's the ones I picked last night. The three of them weigh about four grams dry.
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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22160801 - 08/29/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Noticed anything worth hydrating with dunk water?
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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: taGyo]
#22160932 - 08/29/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nah. I was raised to be frugal so hate throwing things away plus I felt I had a lot of spawn when I started this. But I've ran this clone before and the colonization time with this method was really slow in comparison to previous tubs.
I think for extra nutrition it's better just to use more spawn.
The coffee grain dunk is going okay. No contams but it was also slow to colonize. It's MS so the results are less conclusive. That tub is also mostly side pins but has been pinning a bit on the surface today since I sprayed the casing a bit. I'm going to grab some thick liner, use wetter casings, and keep my polyfil a bit tighter during pinning for my future grows. Right now I'm using thin clear trash bags and it leaves a lot of air pockets.
Looking at eat's slurry tek I think it might be worthwhile to toss grains in the blender after the dunk. Should give faster colonization and easier access to the insides of the grains for the myc. He seems to have had a lot of success and as far as I can tell his technique, for spawning anyway, isn't sterile.
I'll probably play with it next time I have some extra spawn jars.
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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22161238 - 08/29/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I actually had the exact same idea after reading some of violet's grainwater teks.
I tried it. The first time I did it, it colonized fine. After that, I had like 2/5 successful colonization, with one of those producing small shitty bacterial fruits, no good yielders.
Anyway, if you want to do this, I think Muda Bottles would be the perfect way to go. That way it's sterilized.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: Machiavelliavore]
#22161279 - 08/29/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The slurry tek?
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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22161326 - 08/29/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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use grain water to hydrate CVG and mix with prepped uncolonized grains in a jar, pc, and inoc with liquids (or grain). 
was a bit surprised you didnt see green yet, pc'ing the sub should help either way!
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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: spacechildo]
#22161381 - 08/29/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I figured that coir is contam resistant enough that it would hold out until the myc would colonize it.
But I also figured it would colonize faster rather than slower. I think the extra nutes gave it little reason to seek out new food sources.
It was pretty warm here when I did this project and 4 out of 4 tubs have survived to produce fruits. So I think that says quite a bit about just how hard it is to contam on coir if your spawn is clean.
Now rather or not they make it to a second flush is another question. But I'm using clear liners and the tubs are looking pretty healthy. Some yellow that I think is anaerobic from water dripping down between the sub and the liner prior to fruiting, but nothing that's getting out of hand.
And yeah, I've read a bit on Muda bottles. I may give them a shot sometime.
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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22161437 - 08/29/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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yeah coir on its own is pretty fool proof because mold spores wont germinate on it, but mold would germinate on the bits and pieces from your dunk water and then grow just fine into the coir.
both muda and pasty does some mean mudabottles in monotubs, you should check it out for sure!
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