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Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow)
#22067107 - 08/09/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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After dunking 6qt of oat spawn I had this leftover. It felt like a waste to throw out all that nutritious not to mention myc laden water. So I added a bit more water to bring it up to four quarts...

and tossed it in a bucket with some coir and verm.
I let the coir sit for a bit, then tried stirring it with a wooden spoon. This didn't work out so well and I ended up just using my hands. It was a pain in the ass to be honest and if I do this again I'll probably use a quart of boiling water straight to coir and let it hydrate a bit before adding the grain dunk water and verm, and of course, let it cool down so it doesn't kill any myc in the water.
A handful of gypsum, a bit more verm, and 6qt of spawn later my bucket looked like this.

The bucket was distributed evenly between 4 6qt shoeboxes.

And now it's colonizing. I'll update in a few days once the myc recovers.
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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22067129 - 08/09/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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nice!
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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: spacechildo]
#22067191 - 08/09/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I hope that doesn't contam on you
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paperbackwriter
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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22067561 - 08/09/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm optimistic about contams. Coir is hydrated all the time without any pasteurisation for pets. The grain water may create a vector though.
I'm more concerned about rather or not it will colonize 'uncooked' and if so how fast.
But yeah, a big experiment. If I would have thought about it this morning I would have broken a brick in half. Would have given better data too.
Here's an interesting and somewhat related thread.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19414173
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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22067679 - 08/09/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You should have boiled the grain water and then used it to break up the brick.
Can't wait for results
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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: taGyo]
#22070930 - 08/10/15 09:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The tubs look to be recovering quickly. The spawn ratio was fairly high but with a quick peek it looks like either myc that broke off during the mix or myc from the grain water is colonizing the coir (i.e. I see inoculation points that aren't oats).
I'm going to wait until tomorrow to grab some pictures.
Another experiment I'm running in a similar vein is dunking grains with coffee water (second brew coffee rapidly cooled with ice cubes).
Assuming both experiments work (give me a flush or two without any signs of contams) the goal is to combine both methods and run some side by sides using clones. I'm hoping to see a noticeable improvement in yield and colonization time.
As for hydrating the coir, I don't want to boil the grain water taGyo. Eventually I want to agitate the grains during the soak to break off a lot of myc. But I think if I end up with 2qts of grain water I can still boil 2qts of water and put it straight on the brick (no verm) to get it to hydrate easier. Then let it cool overnight, dunk my grains, add the grain dunk water, add the verm and gypsum, and hopefully have a nice coir substrate with lots of extra nutrition and inoculation points
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Edited by paperbackwriter (08/10/15 09:15 AM)
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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22071079 - 08/10/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22071124 - 08/10/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: I hope that doesn't contam on you 
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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: Mr. Alien]
#22072313 - 08/10/15 03:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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If Mikey likes it, I like it.
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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: Ajahn Don]
#22072528 - 08/10/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The extra inoculation points seem to be coming from the verm. Again I'm not sure if I can attribute this to the grain water hydration or just the regular mix as I've never really watched it closely before.
But I have been trying to figure out, if this does work without contams, how I can get the best of both worlds by having cooked coir and myc laden water. Hydrating the verm with grain dunk water and the coir with regular water so it can be cooked and pasteurized separately might do the trick.
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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22075287 - 08/11/15 08:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not impressed so far. I'll post another update in 48 hours.
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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22075302 - 08/11/15 08:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: Peter Pan]
#22075314 - 08/11/15 08:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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contamination city right here boys R.I.P man your gonna grow out the plague with that shit
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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: Peter Pan]
#22075316 - 08/11/15 08:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter
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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: mrbart4444]
#22075379 - 08/11/15 08:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
mrbart4444 said: contamination city right here boys R.I.P man your gonna grow out the plague with that shit
Maybe
I have a lot of space for colonization so I won't be heartbroken if I lose all the tubs. Less than $2 worth of Coir and probably a $1 worth of oats.
Worth it to satisfy my curiosity.
Now if I lose my PE tub, just grain dunked spawned to cvg... well that would suck
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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22086575 - 08/13/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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So this is four days from spawn. Considering the usual vigor of this strain and the spawn ratio I think the extra nutrients have slowed down colonization.

*edit* The tubs are lined with clear plastic bags and look healthy on the outside and the tops. No yellowing or weak looking myc.
The coffee tub is doing well too. I may try a coffee dunk to blended spawn on my next experiment like this.
Assuming these tubs fruit without getting nasty anyway.
-------------------- Why should we strive with cynic frown To knock their fairy castles down? ~ Eliza Cook It's rather embarrassing to have given one's entire life to pondering the human predicament and to find that in the end one has little more to say than, 'Try to be a little kinder.' ~Aldous Huxley
Edited by paperbackwriter (08/13/15 12:28 PM)
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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22097920 - 08/16/15 08:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Day 7. Still chugging along, still no yellow on the outside of any of the tubs, still quite slow for the spawn ratio but they're mostly colonized. They're going to have to consolidate a bit anyway as my fruiting space is occupied. I hope they enjoy the extra nutes and give me good sized flushes. I'll probably do a thin coir casing layer before I spawn.
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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22098084 - 08/16/15 09:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: taGyo]
#22106768 - 08/18/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Still goin' good?
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Re: Hydrating Coir with Grain Dunk Water (B+ Grow) [Re: taGyo]
#22107427 - 08/18/15 04:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not so sure. Some condensation has dripped down on one of the tubs and the water was yellowing. I dabbed it up this morning and cleaned the lid off.
Another tub looks a little weird to me. It smells fine and the surrounding myc looks healthy but there's some questionable growth. It's hard to tell from the pic but it's almost grey rather than white.

I might have some cobweb starting too. I had a massive outbreak in some King Oyster tubs this morning that were spawned in a similar fashion. My first cobweb outbreak so I'm still learning the early signs. I guess tomorrow we'll know one way or the other.
-------------------- Why should we strive with cynic frown To knock their fairy castles down? ~ Eliza Cook It's rather embarrassing to have given one's entire life to pondering the human predicament and to find that in the end one has little more to say than, 'Try to be a little kinder.' ~Aldous Huxley
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