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Phalaris arundinacea
    #22066294 - 08/09/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So I took Phalaris arundinacea and froze it and unthaw end it 4 times,then blended it up and put it in a slow cooker overnight with 1/3 lemon juice and 2/3 water,then strained all of that and disposed of the plant mater. Put the liquid in jars with a small percent of naphtha and letting it seperate.
I was wondering if lye is something that I absolutely have to use because I can't find it anywhere and I don't really like the idea of it?
If lye is not needed then what do I need to do next?


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Re: Phalaris arundinacea [Re: Markkgore741]
    #22066755 - 08/09/15 11:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Study how the extraction works and you will not be afraid of the lye or any other chemicals used if done right. Study/Research more.


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Re: Phalaris arundinacea [Re: qweqaz] * 1
    #22067260 - 08/09/15 01:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The lye is necessary because the DMT is in a salt form not a freebase form. So the lye increases the PH of the salt DMT making it soluble in only naphtha not water aka freebase DMT. The salt form of DMT will not be able to go into naphtha only water and the other plant materials (not chemicals) will stay in the water layer but if you add lye it makes the DMT turn into freebase and go into the naphtha and all the other stuff is still in the water. It makes it super easy to extract but I suppose if you dont like lye or something then find something else that will boost the PH to around 11.5.


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Re: Phalaris arundinacea [Re: thewanderer25]
    #22072665 - 08/10/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Is their a way of getting the ph right without having ph test strips
I couldn't find any that went above 8.6
I found reobic drain cleaner at lowes so i have the lye and I've spent the past 2 days going everywhere looking for ph test strips that have a wider range and can't find any
I've got roughly 1 pint of juice to put it into


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Re: Phalaris arundinacea [Re: Markkgore741]
    #22073033 - 08/10/15 06:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Start with acacia confusa root bark or mimosa hostilis root bark and research first.

From your post it is apparent you didnt do any real research, I dont know how you were expecting to end up with product by just winging it and figuring youll just ask what the next step is when the time comes :shrug:

  I mean honestly you arent even close in your "procedure" dude, Im not trying to be a dick but really man, you need to have at least some idea of what you are doing before you try this.

I really would sugguest starting with one of the barks I listed over the grass.


Here is a reply I found from a search of extracting DMT from this grass (also apparently it is very easy to misidenitfy the grass)

"Re: Extracting DMT from reed canary grass
The total alkaloid content in phalaris arundinacea ranges from 0.0004% to 0.121%, thus for every 'milligram' of alkaloid one wishes to obtain, anywhere from .826g to 250g must be processed. Thus to obtain 50mg of alkaloid, enough for one or 'maybe' two trips, one must process anywhere between 41.3 and 12,500 grams of this grass.

This does NOT take into consideration that DMT is not the only alkaloid contained in most phalaris. Many contain small amounts of 5-MeO-DMT, Gramine, Beta-carbolines, and other compounds which may alter the experience or cause physical damage. It also doesn't take into consideration the actual yield of the extraction, which is not expected to be perfect. Thus, the amounts above should be multiplied by 2 (thus assuming a 50% actual yield of DMT.)

Thus, at worst expect to be extracting up to 25kg of phalaris to get 50mg DMT, and at the very best expect to get about 10 grams DMT from the same amount."


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Re: Phalaris arundinacea [Re: mushpunx]
    #22073223 - 08/10/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

https://www.erowid.org/plants/phalaris/phalaris_info3.shtml

This is the tech I've been following as strict as possible
I've done a lot of researching but I must be going to the wrong spots or something because I've probably read at least 20 different technics and all of them have been different in their own way
I'm just trying to make sure it'll work but every time I've tried to post the link it isn't working right so I have had to ask a thousand questions but I wanna get it right and not feeling like causing myself and possibly a buddy to get sick because I didn't ask enough questions
I for sure know I've got the right grass and I've followed all of it down to a t man
Just trying to get some pointers because I've read to much shit that says I don't need this or that
If just rather get my answer from someone who's actually done it before instead of just some website


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Re: Phalaris arundinacea [Re: Markkgore741]
    #22073283 - 08/10/15 07:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You are looking at an extraction written in 1993, there are much better teks out there and much more up to date info.

In 1993 ACRB or MHRB were not so easily available on the internet. You are going to have a hard time fimding someone who has done a grass extraction.

I dont think the extraction you are reading is very good though. Go and ask the people/search the DMT Nexus for better info on this.

So yea, I sugguest you look at extracting from root bark instead of grass, nobody does that anymore


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Re: Phalaris arundinacea [Re: mushpunx]
    #22073810 - 08/10/15 09:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ya man I second what he said. Gramine is not something to fuck around with its a poison and can kill you or at the least make you sick as a dog. The grass is not used anymore simply because of the varying yields and the gramine its really not worth it unless you have no way of obtaining the ACRBP or MHRBP. Seriously my acacia confusa root bark powder is on point and I dont need to worry about killing myself with gramine. But do as you wish there's plenty of legal plants that have higher amounts of DMT than the red canary grass.


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