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Offlinecinderblock
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Question about freeze precipitation step of DMT tek
    #22065280 - 08/09/15 12:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

This is from Q21Q21's tek. He says to keep the naphtha in the freezer until you're "satisfied." From what I understand based off these teks, it appears you'll still have liquid naphtha rolling around your precipitation dish when you take it out of the freezer. So as a result, you need to decant the naphtha somewhere.

1) How do you know the naphtha is done dropping crystals? Q21 says once you're "satisfied with the snowglobe," but how do I know what to look for?

2) Where should I decant the naphtha? It seems like a pretty sketchy procedure. You have a wide dish, and you need to tilt it into what? He recommends pouring it into a coffee filter. So how many people is this step supposed to involve? Someone has to hold the paper filter above another container?? Or does he want me to literally decant the naphtha into a damn coffee pot? Where else? The sink? Apparently you don't wanna poor naphtha down the drain. I read Earthwalker say you shouldn't. Why? Where else would you throw it out? In the toilet? Over the balcony of your third story apartment?

This is what Q21 says...

Step 3: Keep the naphtha in the freezer for a couple hours and you should start seeing crystals forming.
If the naphtha is still foggy that means that there are microscopic DMT-freebase molecules trying to find a crystal to attach to. Once it is clear then it is getting close to being done. It's best to leave it overnight or at least 8-12 hours though.

Step 4: Once you are satisfied with the "snow-globe" take it out and pour off the naphtha. Make sure to pour it off slowly so none of the crystals spill out, then find a (preferably outdoors, fumes) place to lean the container against, the excess naphtha will drip off and evaporate in a couple of hours.
Sometimes the crystals are floating all over. Usually just SLOWLY pouring the naphtha off works. You may need to pour it through a coffee filter to get all the crystals.


Edited by cinderblock (08/09/15 12:14 AM)


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Re: Question about freeze precipitation step of DMT tek [Re: cinderblock]
    #22065305 - 08/09/15 12:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Question about freeze precipitation step of DMT tek [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #22065356 - 08/09/15 12:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

"Step 1: Just pop the naphtha straight into the freezer. You can do a recrystallization later for larger crystals, but for the initial step it is best to just put the naphtha in the freezer right away."

I don't quite understand when he says you can do a re-X for larger crystals. Is this because there are impurities in it? Perhaps like naphtha in the crystal?
And he also doesn't provide a re-X step in the tek.


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Re: Question about freeze precipitation step of DMT tek [Re: cinderblock]
    #22065382 - 08/09/15 12:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not a DMT cook, but my understanding is that there's still a little bit of goodie left in there after the first run. I would assume that the recrystalization is a "lather rinse repeat" type situation.


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Re: Question about freeze precipitation step of DMT tek [Re: cinderblock]
    #22065393 - 08/09/15 12:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've had problems with this same thing. I end up scraping a plate and getting this bright yellow goo that gets darker on way later pulls because the crystals always melt as it warms up. I set the dish leaning just as you described in your instructions.

The goo doesn't seem to do the trick. Its very mild.


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Re: Question about freeze precipitation step of DMT tek [Re: Mr. Anderson] * 1
    #22065411 - 08/09/15 12:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Freeze your prep supplies, coffee filters canisters etc
Also remember evaporating naphtha is a Great way to burn your house down, also the fumes are quite toxic.

I've never fucked with dmt, but this is just a PSA to let you know not to blow yourself up , or give yourself neurological damage through fume inhalation


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Re: Question about freeze precipitation step of DMT tek [Re: ZippoZ]
    #22065423 - 08/09/15 12:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Not to mention most extractions involve working with concentrated lye solution which can give you severe chemical burns

Be careful if you go this route OP I still think you should just brew some ayahuasca it's more simple and lasts longer anyway

The instructions in the OP seem really messed up and confusing to me anyway you need to find a better tek because whoever wrote that is a hooligan

Cyb's hybrid salt tek is the best IMO it's effective and simple to follow along with


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Re: Question about freeze precipitation step of DMT tek [Re: Mr. Anderson]
    #22065424 - 08/09/15 12:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I've had problems with this same thing. I end up scraping a plate and getting this bright yellow goo that gets darker on way later pulls because the crystals always melt as it warms up. I set the dish leaning just as you described in your instructions.

The goo doesn't seem to do the trick. Its very mild.




I'm not sure who's tek you're using, but there shouldn't be any goo after the freeze-precipitation.

Q21 has two teks. One is a food grade tek with lime/d-limonene (no lye/no naphtha). If you're using his food grade tek, you do not freeze-precipitate. You need to make a tincture. You can find out how by referring to his tek.

https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Q21Q21's_Vinegar/Lime_A/B_Extraction_Tek

I'm referring to Q21's second tek, which uses Naphtha.


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Re: Question about freeze precipitation step of DMT tek [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #22065449 - 08/09/15 12:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Not to mention most extractions involve working with concentrated lye solution which can give you severe chemical burns

Be careful if you go this route OP I still think you should just brew some ayahuasca it's more simple and lasts longer anyway




This is why I wish some soundminded, wise folks at Shroomery (aka trusted cultivators) would make some goddamn DMT teks. Until then, we're gonna have a bunch of naphtha/lye teks.

There is one tek I've found that is food grade by Q21. It was originally posted in 2010. Since then, we have seen many more teks pop up, and they still involve lye/naphtha. One of my newb questions starting out was, "Why hasn't the DMT community completely moved on to foodgrade teks by this point?"

The DMT community (which is basically exclusive to the Nexus, which is notorious for being elitist) is a strange one, for sure.

I'm currently deliberating between Q21's food safe tek or Earthwalker's tek. Earthwalker's is not food safe, but his tek seems to be the most meticulous of steps, and it involves a re-crystalization tek to eliminate impurities.

Q21's tek is foodsafe, because it avoids lye/naphtha. However, it involves a murky tincture step which comes with its own set of confusion due to baffling instructions.

I'm thinking of going with Earthwalker's tek, just because once again, 99% of the DMT community (which is still pretty damn exclusive), seem to only know teks that utilize naphtha/lye.

When I ask people why they still use naphtha/lye, the number one answer is, "If you follow directions, you shouldn't have problems." No fuckin duh, but why would you, when you can use lime/d-limonene? My best guess, is that we're all just sheep go with the herd, and until something happens - and by that, I mean another DMT forum opens up with a more soundminded POV - your stocks in naphtha and lye will continue to remain stable.


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Re: Question about freeze precipitation step of DMT tek [Re: cinderblock]
    #22065453 - 08/09/15 12:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Dude, can you really not find any Teks on here?

I get all my Teks from here. Whether it's for growing mushrooms, making deems, or plugging San Pedro.

Use the search engine


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Re: Question about freeze precipitation step of DMT tek [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #22065454 - 08/09/15 12:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If you're using Acacia Confusa, it's kind of a bitch because at first I was pulling this oily substance, but I found it worked to fill a canning jar with just enough naphtha that if you turn it upside down only the surface of the mouth and lid are submerged. Then place the jar in a freezer upside down for 24 ish hours, turn jar right side up in freezer and remove lid placed in the freezer next to jar for about a half hour letting some of the naphtha evap off the lid without losing crystals. Then pour naphtha back into soup, warm, and shake it up while jar and lid sit to dry in front of fan. Scrape powder off lid and inside mouth of jar. Let naphtha separate and try again. Use a few jars if needed, let some naphtha evaporate if you have too much. :shrug: I'm not a pro but that's what worked best for me.
Also, if you didn't know, the DMT crystals will start to "melt" back into the solution at room temps. That's why I keep my stuff in the freezer for about a half hour to kinda dry out a bit. Hope that helps, may be worth giving a try.


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Re: Question about freeze precipitation step of DMT tek [Re: dzavmt]
    #22065458 - 08/09/15 01:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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If you're using Acacia Confusa, it's kind of a bitch because at first I was pulling this oily substance, but I found it worked to fill a canning jar with just enough naphtha that if you turn it upside down only the surface of the mouth and lid are submerged. Then place the jar in a freezer upside down for 24 ish hours, turn jar right side up in freezer and remove lid placed in the freezer next to jar for about a half hour letting some of the naphtha evap off the lid without losing crystals. Then pour naphtha back into soup, warm, and shake it up while jar and lid sit to dry in front of fan. Scrape powder off lid and inside mouth of jar. Let naphtha separate and try again. Use a few jars if needed, let some naphtha evaporate if you have too much. :shrug: I'm not a pro but that's what worked best for me.
Also, if you didn't know, the DMT crystals will start to "melt" back into the solution at room temps. That's why I keep my stuff in the freezer for about a half hour to kinda dry out a bit. Hope that helps, may be worth giving a try.




What do you mean it'll melt back?

Once you freeze precip and let the naptha evaporate, shouldn't you have have solid, stable crystals?

I've seen people unboxing solid DMT crystals that arrived by mail from Silk Road.


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Re: Question about freeze precipitation step of DMT tek [Re: cinderblock]
    #22065529 - 08/09/15 01:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I'd just let the naphtha evaporate in the freezer or you'll get gooey shit. It works fine but tastes like hell.


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Re: Question about freeze precipitation step of DMT tek [Re: cinderblock]
    #22065560 - 08/09/15 01:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

No i was using lye and naptha also

The crystals always melt because the naptha evaporates so slow and as the temperature rises quick it goes right back into the naptha. I'm looking into a full a/b tek to re xtal the goo. I might try a solvent that Evaps faster like acetone so maybe i could pour it off and get it to evaporate before the temp rises. That's what I'm getting from reading at least...


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Re: Question about freeze precipitation step of DMT tek [Re: cinderblock]
    #22702709 - 12/26/15 06:53 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

ok so you get done with the non polar wash (add naptha, periodaclly stir for 10 min then poor from what you have the clear naptha layer off into a clear glass baking dish. i suggest at least wait 12 hrs. but 24 is final if u wanna wait.
  IME make sure your mix is about 120~f. the mixture needs to be warm NOT JUST THE NAPTHA. if done properly naptha will look foggy on top of mix while doing a pull.


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Re: Question about freeze precipitation step of DMT tek [Re: cinderblock]
    #22702737 - 12/26/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Earthwalker's tek is legit.  I'd def go with that personally.  As for your question about the freeze precip, personally I wouldn't bother with a coffee filter, just quickly pour off the naptha into a jar which you can reuse, or I believe you can let it evap naturally for whatever dmt may have dissolved back into it. 

And I think the consensus is an 18 hour+ freeze.


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Re: Question about freeze precipitation step of DMT tek [Re: Blend]
    #22745693 - 01/06/16 07:57 PM (8 years, 24 days ago)

further note that it will be foggy in freezer then when it starts to look clear xs should have fallin out to a degree. you then pour off the naptha and you can either use this for an additional pull or just let it all evap off.

the coffee filter is a good way to save xs that have formed if they are say floating in the solvent. you can put that filter in the freezer a bit aswell or just dont bother


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Re: Question about freeze precipitation step of DMT tek [Re: b1blazin]
    #22746083 - 01/06/16 09:15 PM (8 years, 24 days ago)

Remove any open food you got in the fridge, the naphtha will ruin everything. Learned from experience.


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Re: Question about freeze precipitation step of DMT tek [Re: ZippoZ]
    #22746643 - 01/06/16 11:55 PM (8 years, 24 days ago)

Quote:

ZippoZ said:
Freeze your prep supplies, coffee filters canisters etc
Also remember evaporating naphtha is a Great way to burn your house down, also the fumes are quite toxic.

I've never fucked with dmt, but this is just a PSA to let you know not to blow yourself up , or give yourself neurological damage through fume inhalation




just a side note, I have absolutely no recollection of posting this, and have never actually done any work with DMT what so ever... that being said... the information seems sound.


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Re: Question about freeze precipitation step of DMT tek [Re: ZippoZ]
    #22746919 - 01/07/16 02:54 AM (8 years, 24 days ago)

Ive been wondering how dangerous it is to be heating naptha on the stove? Its an electric stove, not gas..

I use a metal pot and put a towel inside then put the glass bottle of naptha in that to heat it..

I kind of get worried that something could go wrong with that..


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