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OfflineLoveNaborFuckHater
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If you have to thank your god then why can't you blame it?
    #22064365 - 08/08/15 08:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

People raised in a religious background  (such as myself) have always been taught to thank god for the good things that happen in life. Makes sense. But people always like to blame god for bad things and religious figures then tell us that we can't blame god becuase we have free will and this is why bad things happen. "God didn't give you cancer" "God didn't make you get in that car wreck". It's free will of yourself and others that has caused this. But when something good happens it's always by the hand of god.

I have just realized how biased this is in the last couple days. I've never thought about it this way but why is everything good apparently due to god but bad is not. That just makes no sense to me. If we have free will and that causes evil then it seems our free will must also cause good.

Discuss intelligently.


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OfflineLachy
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Re: If you have to thank your god then why can't you blame it? [Re: LoveNaborFuckHater]
    #22065815 - 08/09/15 05:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I am in no way religious and will never conform to a sole religion. I am open to some of the aspects of some religions, but my partaking is completely nil.

So I fully see the whole point of your post, and agree with your questioning.

I see a lot of bible basher's coming in and blaming the 'Devil' for anything bad that happens.

Interesting to see where this goes.


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InvisibleBayerPhi
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Re: If you have to thank your god then why can't you blame it? [Re: Lachy]
    #22066015 - 08/09/15 07:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Refusal or the inability to self-reflect to see that the possible bad outcomes came from their own doing (poor lifestyle choices; living in "sin").  Add this with the misunderstanding that things have always been out of their control in a purely indifferent universe and a poor imagination of: what they say is God vs. what one believes is God vs. what God is = strife.

It's much easier to blame it on God, or the Devil than to say... "You know, I probably shouldn't have done x, y, and z. It's all finally caught up to me."
Things like kids getting cancer is the very unfortunate combination of the parents DNA - here it's easiest to blame a higher deity than understand the terrifying and complicated science behind it (I know it very well, and still find it terrifyingly awesome. Just because I know how it occurs and the things necessary to reduce my risk of cancer along with my family's. I'm not exempt and neither are they) and this is the false sense that one truly has control of things here. While we spin around and around on this giant sphere of water with another sphere spinning around us, while we and other spheres spin around a humongous ball of fire, while spinning outwards of a galaxy spiral at a speed we can't comprehend without numbers (which the majority of us including myself don't know how to crunch)... instead we must realize that we only have an influence.

God didn't give you lung cancer, Benzo(a)pyrene and other PAH's from inhaling smoke all your life was an influence.  Eating heavily charred meats, drinking excessive alcohol, and obesity/lack of exercise throughout your life influenced your colon cancer.  Laying in the tanning beds excessively, and baking in the sun to look 'better' instead of being pale caused proneness to the skin cancer.  Strangely enough, settling for an unhealthy partner, or a healthy partner with the 'damaged' gene expression in DNA suppression in one area plus your DNA expression in bone marrow growth led to your child's full blown leukemia. Do you blame God? Or the unfortunate scenario where the couple unknowingly had these issues? Were these issues in the two individuals when they were born, or was it their life choices that caused the gene expression/suppression to bring about this correlation? Bring in an innocent child's life and the possibility that it won't live a full and happy life.  Yeah, I can easily see the spiritual turmoil.  My job is to have a better understanding of these things, but I have to know that I will never have the answer. The only thing I can do is study the causes and be part of a team to put together a treatment to cure the patient and better the outcome for survival.  Trying to explain it to someone is as much of a waste of time as blaming it on God/Devil, one just has to take action. Living in the Bible belt it's best to avoid religious talk and let them find peace where they can, who knows maybe they'll get a glimpse of the real deal. If not it'll just start an opinion war that further closes their minds which increases the amount of bigotry, hatred, and strife.

EDIT:  Do I think that I should thank God?
Mmm... I'm not sure, but what harm does it do? I know that there's something greater than myself at work here and I think that humility towards It is an excellent thing to have and do. I thank 'God' for my life, yes. But to thank God because I chose to not run that yellow light but the dude who did got his truck totaled out and somehow managed to walk away with only scratches - that's all coincidental. 80% of that was Engineers doing their job in safety, the rest is the physics of the situation and resilience of the human body, but was it God? Again, I'll never know but I bet that impatient guy gained a bit of humility for his life. If not, there's a possibility that next time he won't be so lucky. All the same for the other guy turning right on red and not seeing him who was less fortunate due to the physics. How they feel about the other person's life is unknown, do they blame each other, themselves, or God? For insurance sake - they'll blame the other person even though they were both wrong.
Having gratitude spreads peace among us.


Edited by BayerPhi (08/09/15 08:26 AM)


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Invisiblemt cleverest
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Re: If you have to thank your god then why can't you blame it? [Re: BayerPhi]
    #22066567 - 08/09/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah it's pretty dumb. Christians will say god is omnipotent and satan was defeated at the cross yet they attribute 50 percent of what happens to them to the devil. I myself blame everything on god, the good the bad and the ugly. Even the things that are seemingly completely my fault, because if you really look at it, my stupid decisions don't begin with me; I didn't create my mental and emotional tendencies or my capacity for decision making or anything really. Everything starts and ends with god.


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OfflineLoveNaborFuckHater
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Re: If you have to thank your god then why can't you blame it? [Re: BayerPhi]
    #22066700 - 08/09/15 11:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You brought up some great reasons. I didn't even think about blaming the evil on the devil but now I guess this is where religious people will place their blame and have a counter argument to mine.

To me these people seem a bit immature and childish. I'm not trying to bash them but to me when you can't take responsibility for your actions you need to grow up and realize what you've done with your life. May this be good or bad. You avoided a crash? You can thank god or you can give yourself a pat on the back for making a smart decision and hopefully you learned from it and made yourself happier inside. You got cancer? You can blame god or the devil or you can open your eyes and ask yourself what did you expect smoking or drinking or taking drugs for years.


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Re: If you have to thank your god then why can't you blame it? [Re: mt cleverest]
    #22069074 - 08/09/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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mt cleverest said:
Yeah it's pretty dumb. Christians will say god is omnipotent and satan was defeated at the cross yet they attribute 50 percent of what happens to them to the devil. I myself blame everything on god, the good the bad and the ugly. Even the things that are seemingly completely my fault, because if you really look at it, my stupid decisions don't begin with me; I didn't create my mental and emotional tendencies or my capacity for decision making or anything really. Everything starts and ends with god.





So who or what precisely are you then? Where do you end and God begins? In other words, if everything starts and ends with God what do you perceive yourself to be?

It's perfectly fine to blame everything on God, I just want to know what this separate you is that you feel it has the right to project blame elsewhere.


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Re: If you have to thank your god then why can't you blame it? [Re: BayerPhi]
    #22069698 - 08/09/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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BayerPhi said:
Having gratitude spreads peace among us.




I like this. I don't have a specific 'God', but I give thanks daily for being given the gift of existing on this plane of existence. At the same time I could never place any blame on the thing I give thanks to, because I do not see it as necessarily benevolent.

I think it's the idea that organized religion spreads of man existing in god's image that causes the kind of confusion you describe OP. If I believed that I was similar to 'God', then of course I'd be thinking 'well, why the fuck would you allow this or not allow that?', cause that's what we're like as humans.

However if 'God' is something so entirely unlike us, then I'm just grateful it's there and I'm here. There's simply nothing to blame.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe


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Re: If you have to thank your god then why can't you blame it? [Re: Deviate]
    #22073130 - 08/10/15 07:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Deviate said:
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mt cleverest said:
Yeah it's pretty dumb. Christians will say god is omnipotent and satan was defeated at the cross yet they attribute 50 percent of what happens to them to the devil. I myself blame everything on god, the good the bad and the ugly. Even the things that are seemingly completely my fault, because if you really look at it, my stupid decisions don't begin with me; I didn't create my mental and emotional tendencies or my capacity for decision making or anything really. Everything starts and ends with god.





So who or what precisely are you then? Where do you end and God begins? In other words, if everything starts and ends with God what do you perceive yourself to be?

It's perfectly fine to blame everything on God, I just want to know what this separate you is that you feel it has the right to project blame elsewhere.




I would say I don't exist apart from god except as a point of awareness that is able to either agree or disagree with what is. Everything is an extension of god but when I say I blame god I mean I blame the author of the unfolding unchangeable story of the universe which involves me as a point of awareness experiencing some bullshit a lot of the time.


Edited by mt cleverest (08/10/15 07:09 PM)


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