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What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes?
    #22063684 - 08/08/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

personally, I think this man is bitter because hes a vegetable.

Evolution has ensured that our brains just aren't equipped to visualise 11 dimensions directly. However, from a purely mathematical point of view it's just as easy to think in 11 dimensions, as it is to think in three or four.”


“The life we have on Earth must have spontaneously generated itself. It must therefore be possible for life to generate spontaneously elsewhere in the universe.”


"I am discounting reports of UFO's. Why would they appear only to cranks and weirdos?"



“We are each free to believe what we want and it is my view that the simplest explanation is there is no God. No one created the universe and no one directs our fate. This leads me to a profound realization. There is probably no heaven, and no afterlife either. We have this one life to appreciate the grand design of the universe, and for that, I am extremely grateful.”


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 1
    #22063724 - 08/08/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The UFO one is funny - other than that he doesn't sound like he would handle someone offering an alternative idea to what he thinks. To define is to limit


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22063811 - 08/08/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I disagree I have seen many interviews and documentaries about this guy and he is not only a physics giant to be equated to our generations Einstein but to overcome so many challenges of complete paraplegic and to rise to the point he has is inspiring. His last quote makes me think he really is grateful to be alive. I'd be bitter about being paraplegic for my entire adult life(basically) but it seems he didn't see his disability that way.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #22063822 - 08/08/15 05:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It is my belief that if there is a god, that entity would not want us spending our lives in the belief that we do not matter. Choosing to not accept life after death is just as spiritual and divine as it is to embrace it.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #22064308 - 08/08/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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It is my belief that if there is a god, that entity would not want us spending our lives in the belief that we do not matter. Choosing to not accept life after death is just as spiritual and divine as it is to embrace it.





Yeah I don't mind his life after death belief..but think we are here for no reason and that we magically appeared from nothing is ridiculous, IMHO.

And I don't even care if he doesn't believe in God, its just the way he says it.

To believe that human beings are the top of the chain, and that's it, is pretty ignorant I believe.



im not huge on ghosts, but man theres just so many ghostly/spirit encounters and experuences for me to deny. Same with Near-death experiences..UFOS..and so on.

For every single one of those accounts to be just the imagination at work seems very unlikely. I believe there definitely is "something" going on. But you would never convince people like Hawking and Neil Tyson degrasse because theyre whole being is based on convincing themselves they know everything.

makes me sick..


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22064322 - 08/08/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I dont understand how presuming some being, who himself magically appeared out of nowhere is any less ridiculous then the universe suddenly flaring into existence of its own volition.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22064332 - 08/08/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

"We have this one life to appreciate the grand design of the universe, and for that, I am extremely grateful.”

humble. idiotic.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22064390 - 08/08/15 08:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I dont understand how presuming some being, who himself magically appeared out of nowhere is any less ridiculous then the universe suddenly flaring into existence of its own volition.





I see your point, but he totally dismisses the chance of the human being itself being able to transcend death. Its not farfetched to believe that the human being simultaneously exists in both the realm of the dead and the realm of the living, but has only the ability right now to perceive the living, due to the brains filters.


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Existing before Heaven and Earth,
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All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
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Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22064435 - 08/08/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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im not huge on ghosts, but man theres just so many ghostly/spirit encounters and experuences for me to deny. Same with Near-death experiences..UFOS..and so on.

For every single one of those accounts to be just the imagination at work seems very unlikely.




Only hillb*11ies (censored in case a certain mod is reading), druggies, losers, and morons see ghosts and have UFO experiences.

You just won't see a guy with a Master's in Engineering or PhD in Chem ever have this type of hallucination. Why is that? Why do only dummies have those experiences?


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22064488 - 08/08/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I kinda think we are extensions of something more complicated than we can really comprehend.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 1
    #22064502 - 08/08/15 08:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Utter bullshit.  Why should we believe that there is anything behind "Stephen Hawking" other than a team of writers?


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Confucian]
    #22064507 - 08/08/15 08:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Not necessarily true, educated and intelligent people can be crazy as well.  I myself find those sorts of ideas creeping in sometimes and I try my best to remain skeptical.  I've never liked religion though, and don't really have much sympathy for people who take the whole "I'm spiritual but not religious".  It basically comes down to, "I've got sacred knowledge".  Stephen Hawking also kinda embodies this in his own way, so I can see what you're saying Bill, but the stuff he talks about is pretty interesting.

He's a trooper and definitely inspirational, even if there is lots of dirt on him.  Much of the recognition he gets is well deserved.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Clean]
    #22064514 - 08/08/15 08:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yea because all UFO's have to be from outer space right? :facepalm:

What about multiable person sightings? Its a very naive quote from a very smart creature.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: CosmicAdventurer]
    #22064519 - 08/08/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I see things I would describe as UFOs (not OBVIOUSLY airplanes with distinctly blinking lights) all the time.  And this tube fed ninny calls me a weirdo. Fuck you, Stephen.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: moonrockmushy] * 3
    #22064526 - 08/08/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Lol, anyone who believes in mystical sky fairies or magical worlds beyond death is delusional.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Enlil]
    #22064540 - 08/08/15 09:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Clean]
    #22064550 - 08/08/15 09:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've gotta say all the people I've known who tell me stories about seeing UFOs are storytellers, or downright manic.  It's just been my honest experience in life, and I have nothing against these people, but it seems underneath the whole UFO movement lies a serious lack of credibility.  Sure, an astronaut here and there will mention it in passing, but that does not amount to proof.  To take something unexplained and connect it to all this new-age/spiritualist ideology is where I think scientists have a problem, and to not recognize this as justified is suspicious to me as someone concerned with the truth.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Enlil]
    #22064565 - 08/08/15 09:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Lol, anyone who believes in mystical sky fairies or magical worlds beyond death is delusional.



Any won who thinks they know every little thing that is or could be possible in us or this universe, is an utter kawk stain, ya herd?


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22064575 - 08/08/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Never seen anything worth telling in a hyper-enthusiastic way.  Just lights that don't behave like aircraft we are familiar with :shrug:


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: CosmicAdventurer] * 1
    #22064580 - 08/08/15 09:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Filling a void caused by ignorance with fairytales is the act of a primitive.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Enlil]
    #22064583 - 08/08/15 09:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah but you just said that


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Clean]
    #22064623 - 08/08/15 09:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Never seen anything worth telling in a hyper-enthusiastic way.  Just lights that don't behave like aircraft we are familiar with :shrug:




That wasn't really directed at you specifically.  I've also seen some weird lights and shit, but nothing that extraordinary.  I have friends I was thinking of that go on and on about black triangles.  I love the guys but it's kinda well known that they tell tall tales about other things, not really in a malicious way, but to entertain and maybe impress others.  I've known other people who tell similar stories, and people make a big deal about how UFO stories are so similar therefore they must be true, but there are also similarities between the people that tell these stories that might point to other explanations. 

One thing you might say is that they are universally rejected by the scientific community.  Sure, there's gubberment conspiracies, but when I read the scientists they actually make really strong cases in favor of skepticism regarding aliens and UFOs.  I'm pretty sure the vast majority of scientists are honest and some of the best critical thinkers on the planet, so why don't they get it?  Because the evidence is lacking. 

It's easy to point to some government conspiracy to explain points where an argument is lacking, but if you've got no proof don't be surprised if people write you off as a loon, especially if you're trying to convince them based on things that you experienced under the influence of psychotropic drugs.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22064636 - 08/08/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I want to know which drugs Stephen Hawking is on.  I'll bet there is a lazy-susan full of prescription pill bottles...


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Clean]
    #22064682 - 08/08/15 09:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hawking is only well known due to his unfortunate physical ailments. There are other physicists who are better than he is at their professions. I just can't name any.


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    #22064751 - 08/08/15 10:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

"Cant fix stupid"or "Rolling stone gathers no moss" but that's besides the point isn't it.....


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: CosmicAdventurer]
    #22064768 - 08/08/15 10:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22064772 - 08/08/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Lol@ his ufo statement, obviously for all his 'smarts' he's too stupid to research into the thousands of reported sightings, thousands of which are by military personnel whose job is to know what's in the sky. He also has quotes talking about how more than likely aliens would want to kill us :lol: sounds delusional to me


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: twighead]
    #22064810 - 08/08/15 10:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Mr. Hawking is dead on with all of those quotes.  UFO's exist, sure, but only because the viewer can't identify them.  Belief in a god or afterlife is for the weak-minded and the dreamers.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #22064820 - 08/08/15 10:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Let us not tread over old ground sir knows it all


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #22064827 - 08/08/15 10:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Insults don't make your opinion valid.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: wigglewak]
    #22064841 - 08/08/15 10:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Why would anyone be insulted by that?

Some people want to fool themselves into believing that consciousness or "spirit" is somehow separate from the chemical reactions in their brains, but rational people know better.  For some, it's just hard to accept that their whole sense of "self" is just a giant lie that they've told themselves their whole life.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Enlil]
    #22064872 - 08/08/15 10:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You are assuming the opinion that isn't yours is inherently dumber without progressing the argument to another point. That resonates as insulting to me.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: wigglewak]
    #22064877 - 08/08/15 10:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It isn't about opinion.  It is about evidence.  There is literally zero evidence of a god, spirit, afterlife, or alien visitation on this planet.  To believe in anything without evidence is irrational.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Enlil]
    #22064901 - 08/08/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I think there are some interesting philosophical dilemmas when it comes to the nature of consciousness and free will, but still getting from that to the supernatural/ET answers seems impossible to me without some level of delusion.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22064947 - 08/08/15 10:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

"I imagine they might exist in massive ships, having used up all the resources from their home planet. Such advanced aliens would perhaps become nomads, looking to conquer and colonise whatever planets they can reach." - Stephen Hawking in an article about why he thinks its a bad idea to contact aliens

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Sounds like he formulated that by watching chronicles of riddick :lol:

Realistically, I believe most societies that reach the phase of advanced spacefaring have probably also developed the capability to molecularly construct whatever they want out of hydrogen molecules, etc. thus making resources trivial.

It's impossible to say exactly, but the likelihood of encountering a warlike species is probably a lot lower due to incidences of self-annihilation which come hand in hand with such high tech.

Also; there are probably a few million uninhabited habitable resource rich planets for every inhabited one... his reasoning is stupid, there is no logical benefit to hostile invasion of already inhabited planets.


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    #22065051 - 08/08/15 11:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I mean he's expressing those ideas as a mental exercise not saying that he has proof aliens would be like that.  I think it's even more arrogant to assume that he's wrong.  Outside the emotional and sentimental way we think of ourselves the natural world is a harsh place full of things that don't share our values.  I think imagination is important, but we also should appreciate what we do have in each-other, and how wonderful that can be in itself, because it is very likely this is as good as it gets for us.

Honestly I think if a peaceful advanced race of aliens came to visit us they'd probably look at us as pretty primitive and cruel, so even if they were fairly egalitarian within themselves I doubt they would want much to do with us.  Even as a human it takes alot to overlook the bad and say that there is something so special about us that we need to be recognized on the intergalactic scene.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22065149 - 08/08/15 11:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

if stephen hawking really said these things then he's a lot dumber than I thought, which was not dumb at all. but now he seems pretty stupid. If he really said this dumb stuff


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    #22065174 - 08/08/15 11:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

He did say it on some TV show I think.  It doesn't matter if people think that this hypothetical situation is unlikely considering I think his position overall is that humans coming into contact with aliens in any manner is unlikely.  He's definitely not the first to propose the idea that aliens could be hostile though, that's only the plot to like every single alien themed fiction ever.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22065179 - 08/08/15 11:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Well he wrote basically a whole article of fearful thoughts about aliens :lol: I'm not saying I know one way or another either - it just had an overly fearful vibe that gives a peek into what he thinks like.

I think that they'd see the cruelty and the potential so would want to work with us to excise the former and promote the latter.


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    #22065204 - 08/08/15 11:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That's quite optimistic, but I don't think we have a fear of the unknown totally for nothing.  I don't really have total confidence that humans if they lived until the barrier of space could be crossed would necessarily evolve into something I would find acceptable on a moral level.  In my opinion technology doesn't necessarily bring about fairness and equality.  I can't figure why aliens would be good to us, because I think if humans came across a bunch of weird aliens I think they would have a hard time accepting them.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22065234 - 08/09/15 12:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

In the evolution of a species, I see it as - if a species does not cultivate advanced morals/culture alongside the advent of higher technology their chances of survival drop drastically due to high potential for catastrophic misuse of technology. Logic generally shows that ultimately; war can bring gain - however can be ultimately costly, helping each other is almost always gainful, if only in promoting good relations... and thus would be interested in helping rather than hurting - that or just not interfering at all (which could easily be the most common 'interaction')


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: twighead]
    #22065318 - 08/09/15 12:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I can definitely agree with that, and the structure was there.  It sure would be nice to have some friendly aliens come along and help us, but I think we're on our own here unfortunately.  If we make the grade or not depends on what choices we make and in my mind the idea of an external savior hasn't really done us any favors so far.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Enlil]
    #22065399 - 08/09/15 12:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It isn't about evidence either.
Its about possibility's ,just because there's no evidence doesn't mean it isn't possible.

Just because we haven't found something doesn't mean is isn't there.....

On the scale of the universe we are as you would call it "Primitive".


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: CosmicAdventurer]
    #22065408 - 08/09/15 12:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Everything's "possible".  Believing in something just because it's possible is an act of faith.  If you're a man of faith, that's fine.  I choose reason over faith every time, though.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Enlil]
    #22065433 - 08/09/15 12:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Energy cannot be created or destroyed. That goes for memories. Since you wish yours destroyed so insistently I bet you will be saying about the same thing for eternity.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: wigglewak]
    #22065541 - 08/09/15 01:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ive always thought that any alien race capable of advancing as far as reaching other planets would have had to reach some state of peace among their civilization. Meaning they worked together to reach those levels of advanced technology. Unlike us who separate into countries and states and will probably destroy ourselves

I'm also kind of suprised he said "theres probably no heaven or afterlife" that seems like something someone who was raised christian would say after he takes his first hit of weed. literally the last 3 quotes bill listed seem like they were written by someone just coming into their own as a free thinker. Not a genius physicist.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22065559 - 08/09/15 01:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds pretty rational to me. And lol at all the people calling Hawking stupid because he doesn't support their pet theories.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22065718 - 08/09/15 03:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I dont understand how presuming some being, who himself magically appeared out of nowhere is any less ridiculous then the universe suddenly flaring into existence of its own volition.




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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Confucian]
    #22065788 - 08/09/15 05:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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im not huge on ghosts, but man theres just so many ghostly/spirit encounters and experuences for me to deny. Same with Near-death experiences..UFOS..and so on.

For every single one of those accounts to be just the imagination at work seems very unlikely.




Only hillb*11ies (censored in case a certain mod is reading), druggies, losers, and morons see ghosts and have UFO experiences.

You just won't see a guy with a Master's in Engineering or PhD in Chem ever have this type of hallucination. Why is that? Why do only dummies have those experiences?



This is exactly why idc if have a fucking tea party with the alien ambassador of a highly civilized galaxy, I would't tell anyone if I was the only person that could verify it. Because of this everyone just thinks your crazy,there's no satellite imagery etc. Yet most people that believe that also believe in other intelligent life in the universe . Also I believe there has been credited scientist(for a while) and certainly many decorated air force pilots. In a Area 51 Russian equivalent called Kapustin Yar there was a documented dogfight with a ufo that ended with both pilot and ufo crashing.

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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Enlil]
    #22065798 - 08/09/15 05:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Mr. Hawking is dead on with all of those quotes.  UFO's exist, sure, but only because the viewer can't identify them.  Belief in a god or afterlife is for the weak-minded and the dreamers.




Your right about a God.
But not an afterlife.

People have experienced the spirit world within this physical world, this world is a combination of spirit and physical.
Just because you cannot see something, does not mean that it is not there. Like Oxygen.

A God, is simply a stronger entity than oneself.

If I were to fly a spaceship to Mars and there was a primitive tribe of huminoids they would likely worship me and believe me to be a God or whatever I told them.

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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 1
    #22065842 - 08/09/15 05:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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“We are each free to believe what we want and it is my view that the simplest explanation is there is no God. No one created the universe and no one directs our fate. This leads me to a profound realization. There is probably no heaven, and no afterlife either. We have this one life to appreciate the grand design of the universe, and for that, I am extremely grateful.”





This almost sounds infected by Misotheism. Many people who on this site claim to be atheist are really misotheist, rather than a lack of belief there is a deep seated aversion and blame, and an enjoyment in disrupting theistic topics.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #22065874 - 08/09/15 06:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Such ignorance of any of you guys to claim that only uneducated people and druggies have seen ufos. Ive seen many videos of politicians, people in power, and many credible people claim UFO sightings

^^ that was directed not at asante but the people who said only crazies have ufo sightings.



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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Clean]
    #22065880 - 08/09/15 06:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I see things I would describe as UFOs (not OBVIOUSLY airplanes with distinctly blinking lights) all the time.  And this tube fed ninny calls me a weirdo. Fuck you, Stephen.




Fuck him is right. The fucking tomato.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Asante]
    #22065943 - 08/09/15 07:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Bill_Oreilly said:

“We are each free to believe what we want and it is my view that the simplest explanation is there is no God. No one created the universe and no one directs our fate. This leads me to a profound realization. There is probably no heaven, and no afterlife either. We have this one life to appreciate the grand design of the universe, and for that, I am extremely grateful.”





This almost sounds infected by Misotheism. Many people who on this site claim to be atheist are really misotheist, rather than a lack of belief there is a deep seated aversion and blame, and an enjoyment in disrupting theistic topics.





First, how does that quote in any way lead you to believe that he hates god? Second, I really hope you aren't trying to say that he actually believes in god, and that he is just lying to himself because he hates god. Using a tactic that was used in the movie God's Not Dead is pretty sad.

"Strictly speaking, the term connotes an attitude towards the gods (one of hatred) rather than making a statement about their nature." This quote would imply that one could both hate a certain conception of god and still not believe in any god. The god of plenty holy texts is completely worthy of aversion and hatred, whether it actually exists or not.

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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 1
    #22065948 - 08/09/15 07:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

even Atheists who deny or simply lack a belief in deities, do not deny their belief that they presume to be correct in their assertion without any such proof of the matter, and thus are falling into the same trap of belief and dogma. an opinion which is taken as truth, and postulated to be the "right/correct" presumption, over all else.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22065950 - 08/09/15 07:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Does that word have anything to do with miso soup? Yuuum


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22065955 - 08/09/15 07:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Clean said:
I see things I would describe as UFOs (not OBVIOUSLY airplanes with distinctly blinking lights) all the time.  And this tube fed ninny calls me a weirdo. Fuck you, Stephen.




Fuck him is right. The fucking tomato.




Bro go back to FOX News, you're embarrassing yourself. Hawking's contributions to the world are far greater than all your nightly inane babbling.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22065959 - 08/09/15 07:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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even Atheists who deny or simply lack a belief in deities, do not deny their belief that they presume to be correct in their assertion without any such proof of the matter, and thus are falling into the same trap of belief and dogma. an opinion which is taken as truth, and postulated to be the "right/correct" presumption, over all else.




One doesn't have to prove that god doesn't exist. It's the default position in the face of zero evidence.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22065966 - 08/09/15 07:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

no, but that it is still a belief and still carries dogma, that cannot be repudiated.

you'd have to presume to be correct in order to think that there is only lack where there is no question that you couldn't possibly know of any lack, therefore, it is a belief of lacking, rather than no-belief.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Enlil]
    #22065979 - 08/09/15 07:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Mr. Hawking is dead on with all of those quotes.  UFO's exist, sure, but only because the viewer can't identify them.



sounds like an easy loophole, and weak sophism.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22065983 - 08/09/15 07:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What dogma? I believe there are no unicorns. That doesn't really mean anything. If some evidence for unicorns suddenly appears I'd be perfectly willing to change my stance.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens] * 1
    #22066005 - 08/09/15 07:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If you smoke DMT you will see unicorns.

Seeing is believing.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 1
    #22066008 - 08/09/15 07:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You obviously don't know what seeing is.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22066023 - 08/09/15 08:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:rolleyes:


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22066069 - 08/09/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So if I dream of the tooth fairy coming into my room at night, I should believe that's real?


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22066071 - 08/09/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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What dogma? I believe there are no unicorns. That doesn't really mean anything. If some evidence for unicorns suddenly appears I'd be perfectly willing to change my stance.



the dogma is in your asserting that other's are wrong while you are correct, with absolutely no evidence.

at least you can admit it's a belief. most Atheists i've talked with can't even do that.

Atheism is the lack of belief in deities, and the idea in itself has no dogma. Atheists that assert their belief's as true above all other consideration are simply presenting their own personal dogmatism, however.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22066082 - 08/09/15 08:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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What dogma? I believe there are no unicorns. That doesn't really mean anything. If some evidence for unicorns suddenly appears I'd be perfectly willing to change my stance.



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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22066091 - 08/09/15 08:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That isn't dogma. Tell me how I'm supposed to go about proving there is no god.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: larry.fisherman]
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clock_of_omens said:
What dogma? I believe there are no unicorns. That doesn't really mean anything. If some evidence for unicorns suddenly appears I'd be perfectly willing to change my stance.



http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19641042/fpart/1/vc/1




This obviously proves my point.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22066101 - 08/09/15 08:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

yeah, it's dogma.

dogma

eg
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prescribed doctrine proclaimed as unquestionably true by a particular group
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a settled or established opinion, belief, or principle (ie
the classic dogma of objectivity in scientific observation.)

the lack of a belief if as an unerring postulation proclaimed to be only true and never false, presents no evidence, and is touted as a group's belief system (viz the belief that religious people are incorrect in their beliefs, while Atheists are not) is a fine example of dogmatism.


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    #22066106 - 08/09/15 08:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Exactly. It isn't unquestionable. If evidence for god comes about, I'll change my stance. It also isn't prescibed. I look, I see no evidence and I come to a conclusion.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22066123 - 08/09/15 08:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

sure it's prescribed. you're prescribing to me the instance that you are correct and that i am incorrect.

you're incorrect and i am correct. see the difference?

i understand my position is a belief, and yet am not dogmatic about whether or not there can potentially be a God or not. i just simply don't know.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22066166 - 08/09/15 08:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So, the few times that I've seen an alien spacecraft (CE2), and had physical contact with non-Earth people (CE3 & CE4), would mean... what?


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
    #22066173 - 08/09/15 08:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

^^ that would mean its very possible it was real, and very possible it wasn't.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
    #22066174 - 08/09/15 08:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

to an Atheist: nothing.

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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22066182 - 08/09/15 08:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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So if I dream of the tooth fairy coming into my room at night, I should believe that's real?





That's not a good comparison.


If you smoke dmt and see a unicorn, it could be real because you are awake and experiencing it.

Dreams you are not awake.



I never said you should believe anything. But I am saying you should remain open-minded because anything is possible SEEING as how according to hawking, the universe came from nothing.


If you can believe the universe came from nothing for no reason, then you can surely believe ANYTHING.

The chances of dreams of unicorns to be real are more likely to be true than the universe coming about for no reason out of nothing.


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Flowing out means far-reaching;
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It's just a shot away..


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22066187 - 08/09/15 08:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

that's actually a sensible proposition.

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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22066205 - 08/09/15 08:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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sure it's prescribed. you're prescribing to me the instance that you are correct and that i am incorrect.

you're incorrect and i am correct. see the difference?

i understand my position is a belief, and yet am not dogmatic about whether or not there can potentially be a God or not. i just simply don't know.




prescribe
[pri-skrahyb]
verb (used with object), prescribed, prescribing.
1.
to lay down, in writing or otherwise, as a rule or a course of action to be followed; appoint, ordain, or enjoin.

How is this what I am doing?

I just told you I'm not dogmatic. This will be the third time I've said I would be willing to change my position if shown evidence. Of course you don't know, no one does.

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to an Atheist: nothing.

to me: i love for you to explain yourself, so we can discuss your experience.




This doesn't even make sense. How would one's atheism lead one to make any claims about an alien encounter?


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22066219 - 08/09/15 08:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Sounds pretty rational to me. And lol at all the people calling Hawking stupid because he doesn't support their pet theories.




Hawking is my stupid pet trick that I'm showing off on the Letterman show.

Watch him spin in circles, drool on himself, with a 1980s robot voice, "wakka wakka wakka, blackholes, bla bla bla, universe..."

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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22066234 - 08/09/15 09:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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So if I dream of the tooth fairy coming into my room at night, I should believe that's real?





That's not a good comparison.


If you smoke dmt and see a unicorn, it could be real because you are awake and experiencing it.




When you smoke dmt you are taken out of regular concious experience just like when you are dreaming.

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Dreams you are not awake.



I never said you should believe anything. But I am saying you should remain open-minded because anything is possible SEEING as how according to hawking, the universe came from nothing.


If you can believe the universe came from nothing for no reason, then you can surely believe ANYTHING.




When did I say I wasn't open minded to possibilities? In fact I said the exact opposite more than once.




The chances of dreams of unicorns to be real are more likely to be true than the universe coming about for no reason out of nothing.




The disparity in evidence would suggest otherwise.


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    #22066243 - 08/09/15 09:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Sounds pretty rational to me. And lol at all the people calling Hawking stupid because he doesn't support their pet theories.




Hawking is my stupid pet trick that I'm showing off on the Letterman show.

Watch him spin in circles, drool on himself, with a 1980s robot voice, "wakka wakka wakka, blackholes, bla bla bla, universe..."

Someone needs to take that puppet's batteries away from him.




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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22066273 - 08/09/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

this is the problem with the Atheist debate; you have no reason to interject into matters of faith in believing in God(s), but yet you do, because you believe yourself to be correct in assuming there is no God, regardless of whether you will change your position or not upon seeing evidence.

the belief that you are correct in your assertion, which you presume to believe, is prescribed in the notion that you should tell me that you are correct, which you inevitably do when questioning the belief that i am correct in saying that no one can possibly assert a positive/negative proposition regarding God(s). it is prescribed because you provide your belief as a rule of thumb that what is unknown should be, because there is no evidence; that the belief in a God is unfounded because of the lack of evidence; because it is presumed it is unfounded, you take that as a rule of thumb that it is a lack of a belief in God(s) that is the correct course of action/thought.

God may be an invention, but inventions are as real as anything else, conceptually. it's not important whether God is "real" in the sense that my hand is real. what's important is the idea, which remains consistent in people's beliefs. the idea that God is not in existence is therefore only a belief in and of itself, and is not exempt in dogma from the practising Atheist.

PS: i'm not saying you're dogmatic, either. i'm saying Atheists can be dogmatic; that's all i'm saying.

Atheism isn't a dogmatic belief system, and yet Atheists can still be dogmatic in their beliefs. the problem is when they assume they're correct in that having no evidence means there isn't a God.

there could be a God, and that would be the most rational conclusion, because there is no way to know.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
    #22066278 - 08/09/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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clock_of_omens said:
Sounds pretty rational to me. And lol at all the people calling Hawking stupid because he doesn't support their pet theories.




Hawking is my stupid pet trick that I'm showing off on the Letterman show.

Watch him spin in circles, drool on himself, with a 1980s robot voice, "wakka wakka wakka, blackholes, bla bla bla, universe..."

Someone needs to take that puppet's batteries away from him.





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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Clean] * 1
    #22066280 - 08/09/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Utter bullshit.  Why should we believe that there is anything behind "Stephen Hawking" other than a team of writers?




It's not like he was always unable to speak, his disability developed very gradually over time.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: psi] * 1
    #22066288 - 08/09/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Team of writers..

Yeah because he was a nobody before he was disabled.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #22066316 - 08/09/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

He was diagnosed with the disease pretty early in his academic career (early 60s), and it wasn't until the late 70s that his speech became unintelligible to everyone but close friends. By that time he had degrees from Oxford and Cambridge and had already published some pretty influential stuff.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: wigglewak]
    #22066328 - 08/09/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Energy cannot be created or destroyed. That goes for memories. Since you wish yours destroyed so insistently I bet you will be saying about the same thing for eternity.



What evidence do you have that memories can't be destroyed?

It is interesting, however, that you assume that I "wish [mine] to be destroyed".  That's really the core of your belief system, isn't it.  You wish something were true, so you find ways to believe it is.


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    #22066331 - 08/09/15 09:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Hawking is only well known due to his unfortunate physical ailments. There are other physicists who are better than he is at their professions. I just can't name any.



They are not his betters but they are his equals.  For instance Kip Thorne. 

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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #22066343 - 08/09/15 09:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Enlil, why do all these children take such umbrage with you?

Is it because you are an adult and make arguments based on fact, precedent, and reality? Is it some personal heartache they have with the legal system(you being a lawyer). I don't get it.
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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Enlil]
    #22066356 - 08/09/15 09:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Energy cannot be created or destroyed. That goes for memories. Since you wish yours destroyed so insistently I bet you will be saying about the same thing for eternity.



What evidence do you have that memories can't be destroyed?

It is interesting, however, that you assume that I "wish [mine] to be destroyed".  That's really the core of your belief system, isn't it.  You wish something were true, so you find ways to believe it is.




I think in the context of a Hawking thread he might be referring to this and mistakenly calling information memories.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorne%E2%80%93Hawking%E2%80%93Preskill_bet

Of course memories can be sdestroyed.  It happens to stroke victimes and Alzheimer's patients all the time.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22066387 - 08/09/15 09:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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this is the problem with the Atheist debate; you have no reason to interject into matters of faith in believing in God(s), but yet you do, because you believe yourself to be correct in assuming there is no God, regardless of whether you will change your position or not upon seeing evidence.




The reason to interject is that believing things without evidence is dangerous. The belief in certain gods has led to countless acts of barbarism. These are the most egregious cases of belief without evidence. The claims made are so ridiculously specific, and the actual dogmas prescribed by these religions are harmful. Now not all god concepts are created equally. No one has killed because of pantheism. However this concept is pointless because it boils god down to a semantic device.

Of course I believe myself to be correct in my beliefs, who doesn't. The willingness to change one's mind in the face of evidence makes all the difference.

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the belief that you are correct in your assertion, which you presume to believe, is prescribed in the notion that you should tell me that you are correct, which you inevitably do when questioning the belief that i am correct in saying that no one can possibly assert a positive/negative proposition regarding God(s).




Asserting that there is no god does not imply that there is no possibilty. The two assertions are not logically incompatable.

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it is prescribed because you provide your belief as a rule of thumb that what is unknown should be, because there is no evidence; that the belief in a God is unfounded because of the lack of evidence; because it is presumed it is unfounded, you take that as a rule of thumb that it is a lack of a belief in God(s) that is the correct course of action/thought.




It is a rule of thumb that the belief in anything without evidence is unfounded, this isn't unique to the belief in god. Correct in what sense? A belief in god with no evidence is definitionally irrational.


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God may be an invention, but inventions are as real as anything else, conceptually. it's not important whether God is "real" in the sense that my hand is real. what's important is the idea, which remains consistent in people's beliefs. the idea that God is not in existence is therefore only a belief in and of itself, and is not exempt in dogma from the practising Atheist.




There is a spectrum of what is real, and mere concepts are not real in the same way as your hand. It is extremely important because belief guides action. The belief that god is real in the same way as your hand leads to barbaric action.

I've already told you that the idea that god doesn't exist isn't dogmatic because it isn't unquestionable. It's right in the definition.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22066397 - 08/09/15 09:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The reason to interject is that believing things without evidence is dangerous.




there is the dogma again.

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Asserting that there is no god does not imply that there is no possibility. The two assertions are not logically incompatable.




true. but asserting that you are correct in lacking the belief in God(s) is truer than believing, is logically incompatible.

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I've already told you that the idea that god doesn't exist isn't dogmatic because it isn't unquestionable.




and i've already told you that that isn't what is dogmatic; what's dogmatic is the assertion that you are correct in lacking a belief in God(s) and that that is truer than believing is.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22066415 - 08/09/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Lol, now you've gone off the deep end. Check out the news real quick and come back and tell me that belief in gods does not lead to barbaric actions. This is real life shit bro.


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    #22066420 - 08/09/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

No it isn't. I can assert right now that I am correct, but if evidence comes along I can say "oh shit, I guess I wan't correct. Time to change my stance."


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    #22066421 - 08/09/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Does that word have anything to do with miso soup? Yuuum




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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22066422 - 08/09/15 09:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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No it isn't. I can assert right now that I am correct, but if evidence comes along I can say "oh shit, I guess I wan't correct. Time to change my stance."



you can assert you are correct, but to presume you are more correct than anyone else is a faulty assumption.

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Lol, now you've gone off the deep end. Check out the news real quick and come back and tell me that belief in gods does not lead to barbaric actions. This is real life shit bro.



your belief is just as dangerous, presumably, if the case is that it's dangerous to belief in anything without evidence.

i'd offer that interjecting in these areas due to your belief is just the same as what you're insisting is dangerous.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22066428 - 08/09/15 09:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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No it isn't. I can assert right now that I am correct, but if evidence comes along I can say "oh shit, I guess I wan't correct. Time to change my stance."



you can assert you are correct, but to presume you are more correct than anyone else is a faulty assumption.




No it isn't. The one whose assertions are more evidential is correct. Similarly, the one whose assertions are less non-evidential is more correct.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: SteveRogers] * 1
    #22066429 - 08/09/15 09:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Enlil, why do all these children take such umbrage with you?

You are their best friend, yet they rebuke you time and time again.



It's a burden I'll likely carry to my grave.  After that, however, sweet nothingness.


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    #22066437 - 08/09/15 10:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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No it isn't. The one whose assertions are more evidential is correct. Similarly, the one whose assertions are less non-evidential is more correct.




how can something be more evidential when you can't provide evidence?

how can you be correct or more correct in that there is less non-evidential assertions in assertions that provide no evidence?


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    #22066439 - 08/09/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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It's a burden I'll likely carry to my grave.  After that, however, sweet nothingness.




sweet nothingness? a misnomer.


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    #22066444 - 08/09/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Lol, now you've gone off the deep end. Check out the news real quick and come back and tell me that belief in gods does not lead to barbaric actions. This is real life shit bro.



your belief is just as dangerous, presumably, if the case is that it's dangerous to belief in anything without evidence.

i'd offer that interjecting in these areas due to your belief is just the same as what you're insisting is dangerous.




False. Beliefs lead to actions. The level of danger a specific belief brings is dependent on the actions to which it leads. A belief in Allah leads to barbarism. In Yaweh to a lesser extent. Pantheistic beliefs do not, nor does the belief that there is no god.

Your offering is not accepted. My interjecting doesn't blow people up.


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sweet nothingness? a misnomer.



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    #22066456 - 08/09/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

you're the one who said believing things with no evidence is dangerous. :shrug: you have no evidence in being correct, so to assume you're correct in your beliefs is the same thing as what you've said is dangerous.


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    #22066461 - 08/09/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Life is suffering.  Absense of life = absence of suffering = sweet nothingness.



well, mayhaps it's sweet nothingness if you're alive. if you're dead it's just "...."

but ok.

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sweet nothingness? a misnomer.



A poetic device.



fair enough. it's fine to think it'd be sweet to be dead, but of course, it's only because you're alive that you'd think or know that, is all i was saying but yeah... yeah.


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    #22066487 - 08/09/15 10:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I look forward to being dead, but I love life for the time I have.  Life is a wonderful experience.  Ultimately, it is all of the experience I will have, since I didn't exist before life and will cease to exist thereafter.


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No it isn't. The one whose assertions are more evidential is correct. Similarly, the one whose assertions are less non-evidential is more correct.




how can something be more evidential when you can't provide evidence?

how can you be correct or more correct in that there is less non-evidential assertions in assertions that provide no evidence?




That was the point of my second sentence. Like I've already said, how can there be evidence that god does not exist?. The assertion that god exists, on the other hand, requires evidence. The assertion that is less non-evidential is the more rational one. Therefore the belief that there is no god is more rational. If evidence comes about for the existence of god, this will no longer be true.

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you're the one who said believing things with no evidence is dangerous. :shrug: you have no evidence in being correct, so to assume you're correct in your beliefs is the same thing as what you've said is dangerous.




Tell me how I'm supposed to go about gathering evidence that god does not exist. Am I supposed to go look everywhere in the universe? I can't look everywhere at once, maybe he just moves around.

Even if my belief were somehow dangerous, I've already described to you wherein the danger lies. Please explain to me how my belief leading me to interject in forum discussions (btw I remember you telling someone that it's a public forum and you can interject in any conversation you please) is the same as an islamist's belief in Allah leading him to blow people up. This should be good.


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    #22066500 - 08/09/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I look forward to being dead, but I love life for the time I have.  Life is a wonderful experience.  Ultimately, it is all of the experience I will have, since I didn't exist before life and will cease to exist thereafter.



i would love to understand why people look forward to death, if this is the only experience you can have. i know life is suffering but...at least suffering is something.


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    #22066503 - 08/09/15 10:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

no one care about any of your beliefs. this is an internet forum populated mostly by burnout virgin junkies.


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    #22066508 - 08/09/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I think of death as being like going to sleep after a really long and hard day....that point where you just say, "fuck it, none of that matters now"

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    #22066526 - 08/09/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22066532 - 08/09/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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clock_of_omens said:
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akira_akuma said:
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clock_of_omens said:

No it isn't. The one whose assertions are more evidential is correct. Similarly, the one whose assertions are less non-evidential is more correct.




how can something be more evidential when you can't provide evidence?

how can you be correct or more correct in that there is less non-evidential assertions in assertions that provide no evidence?




That was the point of my second sentence. Like I've already said, how can there be evidence that god does not exist?. The assertion that god exists, on the other hand, requires evidence. The assertion that is less non-evidential is the more rational one. Therefore the belief that there is no god is more rational. If evidence comes about for the existence of god, this will no longer be true.

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you're the one who said believing things with no evidence is dangerous. :shrug: you have no evidence in being correct, so to assume you're correct in your beliefs is the same thing as what you've said is dangerous.




Tell me how I'm supposed to go about gathering evidence that god does not exist. Am I supposed to go look everywhere in the universe? I can't look everywhere at once, maybe he just moves around.

Even if my belief were somehow dangerous, I've already described to you wherein the danger lies. Please explain to me how my belief leading me to interject in forum discussions (btw I remember you telling someone that it's a public forum and you can interject in any conversation you please) is the same as an islamist's belief in Allah leading him to blow people up. This should be good.




i never said you couldn't or shouldn't interject in the debates about the existence of God...i just said that that is irrational to do so if you really believe in your conviction in lacking a belief in God(s).

the danger doesn't lie in the belief, it lies in the actions. beliefs by themselves are not dangerous or harmful in anyway. it's the conviction in a belief being automatically correct that may lead to dangerous actions.

the instance when an assertion is held that what is less non-evidential is the more rational instance, in terms of evidence towards the existence of God, is an instance that requires evidence to show the assertion to be correct.

because there is no knowing of any proponents to the argument, other than your belief in your convictions.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22066534 - 08/09/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

IRL, people say it's depressing when I say, "Well, at least I have death to look forward to."  I never mean it in that way.  I always mean it in a hopeful way.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Enlil]
    #22066539 - 08/09/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I think of death as being like going to sleep after a really long and hard day....that point where you just say, "fuck it, none of that matters now"

You don't see anything beautiful and freeing about that?



i am undecided.

so far i like life more than un-life, regardless of how shitty it can potentially be. if i can't think, than how can i be free?

perhaps there is something beautiful in that, however, so like i said, i am undecided as of yet.

i find that happiness can be found in even the most trying of situations, even if it's unlikely. and i'd rather feel happy than not exist, i think.

i'm gonna go test these implications and watch the new Mission Impossible movie.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Enlil]
    #22066547 - 08/09/15 10:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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IRL, people say it's depressing when I say, "Well, at least I have death to look forward to."  I never mean it in that way.  I always mean it in a hopeful way.



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    #22066593 - 08/09/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Enlil, why do all these children take such umbrage with you?

Is it because you are an adult and make arguments based on fact, precedent, and reality? Is it some personal heartache they have with the legal system(you being a lawyer). I don't get it.
You are their best friend, yet they rebuke you time and time again.





No, its because Enlil likes to stick out and act as if hes the voice of logic just because he pretends to be a high-end lawyer.

I don't care if Enlil was a billionaire and a judge. Obviously his opinion on anything that requires just a little bit of an open-mind is far beyond his ability to comprehend. Anything that cant be measured is dead to this man. When wanting to discuss anything of interest or illegal, I suggest to run far away from this guy.


I honestly don't even know why or how he is a member here, let alone a mod. He should be some spokesman on a republican political message board.



I respect him and do believe he has a place in this world, but not on here.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22066598 - 08/09/15 10:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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SteveRogers said:
Enlil, why do all these children take such umbrage with you?

Is it because you are an adult and make arguments based on fact, precedent, and reality? Is it some personal heartache they have with the legal system(you being a lawyer). I don't get it.
You are their best friend, yet they rebuke you time and time again.





No, its because Enlil likes to stick out and act as if hes the voice of logic just because he pretends to be a high-end lawyer.

I don't care if Enlil was a billionaire and a judge. Obviously his opinion on anything that requires just a little bit of an open-mind is far beyond his ability to comprehend. Anything that cant be measured is dead to this man. When wanting to discuss anything of interest or illegal, I suggest to run far away from this guy.


I honestly don't even know why or how he is a member here, let alone a mod. He should be some spokesman on a republican political message board.



I respect him and do believe he has a place in this world, but not on here.



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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22066625 - 08/09/15 10:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Cool, I don't care.

All he does is give lawyer advice that anyone could find through google.

Other than that, hes useless(Unless you want an opinion similar to Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity).


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22066630 - 08/09/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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i never said you couldn't or shouldn't interject in the debates about the existence of God...i just said that that is irrational to do so if you really believe in your conviction in lacking a belief in God(s).




How does that follow? If I believe something, why would I not discuss it?

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the danger doesn't lie in the belief, it lies in the actions. beliefs by themselves are not dangerous or harmful in anyway. it's the conviction in a belief being automatically correct that may lead to dangerous actions.




People act on beliefs. Actions don't just happen in a vacuum. If someone's belief leads them to blow people up, that belief is dangerous. And it is the religious people who believe things to be automatically correct because they are written in some old ass book. I don't believe things to be automatically correct, as I have stated. Hence the distinction between dogma and the lack thereof.

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the instance when an assertion is held that what is less non-evidential is the more rational instance, in terms of evidence towards the existence of God, is an instance that requires evidence to show the assertion to be correct.




No, the idea that assertions that have more evidence are more rational and the idea that assertions that have less of an evidential lack are more rational are definitionally true. The assertion that there is no reason to believe in god has less of an evidential lack because it is the default position. The assertion that there is a god carries the burden of proof.

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because there is no knowing of any proponents to the argument, other than your belief in your convictions.




Belief and conviction are synonyms. You're mincing words.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22066640 - 08/09/15 10:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Cool, I don't care.

All he does is give lawyer advice that anyone could find through google.

Other than that, hes useless(Unless you want an opinion similar to Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity).




He is a reasoned counter to the vast majority of posters here who are left wing childish loons who have been polluted by a corrupt education system.  Limbaugh and Hannity share the same views on god as you do.  Neither he nor I do.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22066660 - 08/09/15 11:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

No, they don't. Hannity and Rush believe God is some dude in the sky that hates gays, marijuana, abortion and so on. They have a perception of God that is totally different than mine. They are fundamentalist Christians, I am not.

they also like war and think George bush was a good president. ewww


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22066685 - 08/09/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

A god is a god is a god.  If you believe that shit at all you are the same irrational thinkers.  Which helps explain your liberalness.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22066699 - 08/09/15 11:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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A god is a god is a god.  If you believe that shit at all you are the same irrational thinkers.  Which helps explain your liberalness.





That's so no true man


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22066727 - 08/09/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

TMJ, God is a fantasy...a fairytale.  There may be superior beings in the universe, but they aren't gods and they aren't going to save you.

Only you can save yourself.

The sooner you realize that, the better your chances for happiness.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22066770 - 08/09/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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A god is a god is a god.  If you believe that shit at all you are the same irrational thinkers.  Which helps explain your liberalness.




:lolwut:

Which political persuasion has more religious people again?


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22066781 - 08/09/15 11:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So zappa, according to your logic, all scientists believe the same thing because they are scientists.

Sorry but you're just flat-out wrong with that one.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22066887 - 08/09/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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So zappa, according to your logic, all scientists believe the same thing because they are scientists.

Sorry but you're just flat-out wrong with that one.



Everybody who believes in the flying spaghetti monster is equally deranged in my mind.  And Enlil is nowhere near as conservative as I am.  There is another religion commonly shared by liberals.  That socialism works.  It has been proven to be a failure time and time again.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22066944 - 08/09/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

"Evolution has ensured that our brains just aren't equipped to visualise 11 dimensions directly. However, from a purely mathematical point of view it's just as easy to think in 11 dimensions, as it is to think in three or four.”"

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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22066950 - 08/09/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I dont understand how presuming some being, who himself magically appeared out of nowhere is any less ridiculous then the universe suddenly flaring into existence of its own volition.




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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22066990 - 08/09/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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So zappa, according to your logic, all scientists believe the same thing because they are scientists.

Sorry but you're just flat-out wrong with that one.



Everybody who believes in the flying spaghetti monster is equally deranged in my mind.  And Enlil is nowhere near as conservative as I am.  There is another religion commonly shared by liberals.  That socialism works.  It has been proven to be a failure time and time again.





here we go again with the flying spaghetti monster...

whatever you say mr dawkins


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22067001 - 08/09/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I dont understand how presuming some being, who himself magically appeared out of nowhere is any less ridiculous then the universe suddenly flaring into existence of its own volition.





Exactly my point. :thumbup:


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    #22067008 - 08/09/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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    #22067021 - 08/09/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It sure as shit isn't to me.


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whatever you say mr dawkins




Is that supposed to be an insult?





No, im just saying that the opinion reminds me of something dawkins would say. Its not an insult nor a compliment.

Also, I was not talking to you. I was responding to zappa.


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    #22067112 - 08/09/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I just talked to God, and he was laughing at you for believing in him


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whatever you say mr dawkins




Is that supposed to be an insult?





No, im just saying that the opinion reminds me of something dawkins would say. Its not an insult nor a compliment.

Also, I was not talking to you. I was responding to zappa.




And then I responded to you. There's no need to tell me the story of what just happpened.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22067242 - 08/09/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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i never said you couldn't or shouldn't interject in the debates about the existence of God...i just said that that is irrational to do so if you really believe in your conviction in lacking a belief in God(s).




How does that follow? If I believe something, why would I not discuss it?

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the danger doesn't lie in the belief, it lies in the actions. beliefs by themselves are not dangerous or harmful in anyway. it's the conviction in a belief being automatically correct that may lead to dangerous actions.




People act on beliefs. Actions don't just happen in a vacuum. If someone's belief leads them to blow people up, that belief is dangerous. And it is the religious people who believe things to be automatically correct because they are written in some old ass book. I don't believe things to be automatically correct, as I have stated. Hence the distinction between dogma and the lack thereof.

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the instance when an assertion is held that what is less non-evidential is the more rational instance, in terms of evidence towards the existence of God, is an instance that requires evidence to show the assertion to be correct.




No, the idea that assertions that have more evidence are more rational and the idea that assertions that have less of an evidential lack are more rational are definitionally true. The assertion that there is no reason to believe in god has less of an evidential lack because it is the default position. The assertion that there is a god carries the burden of proof.

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because there is no knowing of any proponents to the argument, other than your belief in your convictions.




Belief and conviction are synonyms. You're mincing words.




conviction and belief are synonymous; they are different words with different precise meanings, however.

and there is no burden of proof on the account of God(s) existence, because there is not a reason, nor call, to prove it.

not on my account, anyways.

i'll say it again; Atheism is not dogmatic. Atheists, on the other hand, are perfectly capable of having their own dogma. militant Atheists, with the decree of putting a stop to not only the control of religious institutions, but also the instance of someone's belief in whatever God(s), is dogmatic in it's follower's attempts at following through on said decrees.

and also, as i've said, the instance of presuming the belief in a lack of God(s) to be correct is also a faulty assumption.

lets talk facts instead of your beliefs, or no?


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22067315 - 08/09/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I disagree. If people are going to believe something and act on those beliefs, there is cause to provide evidence for those beliefs.

Anyone can be dogmatic about lots of things. Dogma need not be negatively connotated. Being dogmatic about logic and reason is a good thing.

Again correct in what sense? If we're talking rational, why is it faulty? If you're implying some epistomological certainty then I don't know. It may not even be possible to know with certainty in this case.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22067382 - 08/09/15 02:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

of course it isn't possible, it's like asking for the meaning of life, it's a subject of interpretation and is only a subject of interpretation; there is no "right answer", which makes it a useless speculation.


and being dogmatic about logic and reason is a good thing, sure. which is all the more why this debate is useless, unless you want to campaign to end the right to worship freely, which would overshadow any rationality of said dogmatism.

dogma doesn't have to be negatively connotated, and rationality does not have to be positively connotated.

if one insists that the only non-dangerous route in dealing with the acts of a few is to stifle people's freedom to religion then you'd have to impart danger into the impeding of those freedoms, because you'd have no other choice. you aren't going to win anyone over by saying they're wrong, when you can't prove how they're wrong. the religious are not calling for a debate...the burden of proof is not on them. in a free society, you have to put up with people's illogicality.

show me an Atheist who can respond to the belief's of others, and whom can state their own, without insisting that other's are wrong for not believing said Atheist's beliefs, and you'll find a rational Atheist.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22067431 - 08/09/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

But it isn't a useless speculation because beliefs lead to actions. If everyone's religious beliefs were just there in their head doing nothing then it would be more useless, but it's still interesting to debate things.

We don't need to end the freedom to worship, but we can educate people about the dangers of these beliefs. As long as people are acting barbaric on the basis of these beliefs, the debate is not useless.

I can't think of any instances in which rationality would have a negative connotation.

You don't need to stifle the freedom to believe, but why not stifle the freedom to kill people based on those beliefs? And it's not just a few.

I don't have to prove that their wrong. They have to prove their assertions. The reality that people are illogical and won't doesn't change that fact.

That's sounding like some postmodern nonsense to me. Someone is wrong, there is nothing wrong with asserting that it isn't you if you have the evidential upper hand.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22067473 - 08/09/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i do not see all believers blowing stuff up, :shrug: only some.

and sure you can and should educate people on the dangers of delusional beliefs that call for destruction and such...but relatively speaking, we're not talking about dangerous beliefs, but about God(s).

and i can think of at least one example of rationality having a negative connotation: a zero sum game to exculpate any power structure from having any negative connotation, such as a religious or political aim to control/manipulate people beyond their will to being controlled.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22067484 - 08/09/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

First off: I hate this thread now, I think I should make that clear,

Second: What are you talking about?

Third: Stephen Hawking touts alien evil and corruption over written press throughout the nation! Discuss!


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: twighead]
    #22067490 - 08/09/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Finally someone who can be as incoherent as akira.:thumbup:


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22067502 - 08/09/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I didn't say it was all. You said a few, I said it is more than a few.

Belief in certain gods leads to barbaric destructive behavior. Therefore those beliefs are dangerous. Not to mention stifling science and other such things.

I'm not exactly sure what you're saying here. How could one use rationality to remove negative connotations from a power structure unless those connotations were irrational. Otherwise it would just be sophistry. Also there are instances when it could be argued that people should be controlled beyond their will to be controlled. E.g., the central plot point of The Day the Earth Stood Still.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22067516 - 08/09/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Finally someone who can be as incoherent as akira.:thumbup:



I feel he so subtly prods us all to be all we can be :thumbup:


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: twighead]
    #22067575 - 08/09/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

How could one use rationality to remove negative connotations from a power structure unless those connotations were irrational. Otherwise it would just be sophistry.




sophistry can't be rational? an argument can be fallacious, but can also be rational to employ.

for example, it might be rational to control people beyond their will to be controlled, but that doesn't make it right. you might save on costly damages to the power structure, but at the loss of freedom for the many whom don't support that power structure, whom will revolt.

it can be rational to kill for personal gain, but that doesn't make it right. other people will be threatened and they will not see it your way just because you think it's your right to make gain while others don't.

it depends on one's perspective. one's windfall is not always fruitful in the long run.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22067625 - 08/09/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

True enough. I guess I equate rationality with sound reasoning, but that isn't necessarily the case.

It seems to me that religious people use sophistry far more often. Their actions would be a rational response to their beliefs, but their beliefs are not based in evidence.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22067632 - 08/09/15 03:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

all for the cause of progress.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22067641 - 08/09/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I personally enjoy the progess back to barbarism and scientific illiteracy.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22067731 - 08/09/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

we are condemned to useless labor 'til from whence we came envelops us again.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22067764 - 08/09/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

My labor excepted. There can be no more important endeavor than arguing on the internet.


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    #22067835 - 08/09/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

one day the internet will become self-ware and you're going to fight the final boss; all this now is just training.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22067875 - 08/09/15 03:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:lolsy: sounds awesome.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22067902 - 08/09/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

fucking self-ware, bro.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Enlil]
    #22069834 - 08/09/15 10:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hmm yeah that could be true but that's essentially what you are doing as well. If there is an eternity of non existence after we die then we will never know who is correct. By memories I was alluding to a soul but that is also something you cannot prove or disprove. I will state that I do not know everything because it is impossible too. So you may be right but since you do not know everything as well you will kinda just be the king of your castle. Which everyone is the king of their own castle.

I'd rather believe in something that fosters a sense of progression and care for existence. If I am wrong I still will of preferred this mindset for psychological reasons.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: wigglewak]
    #22069884 - 08/09/15 10:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

wow this thread really drowned in period blood, ay?


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Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22069894 - 08/09/15 10:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I think so. Sorry for getting drunk and jazz talking about reincarnation. That is like one of my favorite things to do though.


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