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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22066685 - 08/09/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

A god is a god is a god.  If you believe that shit at all you are the same irrational thinkers.  Which helps explain your liberalness.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22066699 - 08/09/15 11:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
A god is a god is a god.  If you believe that shit at all you are the same irrational thinkers.  Which helps explain your liberalness.





That's so no true man


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22066727 - 08/09/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

TMJ, God is a fantasy...a fairytale.  There may be superior beings in the universe, but they aren't gods and they aren't going to save you.

Only you can save yourself.

The sooner you realize that, the better your chances for happiness.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22066770 - 08/09/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
A god is a god is a god.  If you believe that shit at all you are the same irrational thinkers.  Which helps explain your liberalness.




:lolwut:

Which political persuasion has more religious people again?


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22066781 - 08/09/15 11:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So zappa, according to your logic, all scientists believe the same thing because they are scientists.

Sorry but you're just flat-out wrong with that one.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22066887 - 08/09/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Bill_Oreilly said:
So zappa, according to your logic, all scientists believe the same thing because they are scientists.

Sorry but you're just flat-out wrong with that one.



Everybody who believes in the flying spaghetti monster is equally deranged in my mind.  And Enlil is nowhere near as conservative as I am.  There is another religion commonly shared by liberals.  That socialism works.  It has been proven to be a failure time and time again.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22066944 - 08/09/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

"Evolution has ensured that our brains just aren't equipped to visualise 11 dimensions directly. However, from a purely mathematical point of view it's just as easy to think in 11 dimensions, as it is to think in three or four.”"

Anything blocking the direct line of sight is internal vision how the Pupil is connected to the brain


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22066950 - 08/09/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I dont understand how presuming some being, who himself magically appeared out of nowhere is any less ridiculous then the universe suddenly flaring into existence of its own volition.




Complexity vs. simplicity.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22066990 - 08/09/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:
So zappa, according to your logic, all scientists believe the same thing because they are scientists.

Sorry but you're just flat-out wrong with that one.



Everybody who believes in the flying spaghetti monster is equally deranged in my mind.  And Enlil is nowhere near as conservative as I am.  There is another religion commonly shared by liberals.  That socialism works.  It has been proven to be a failure time and time again.





here we go again with the flying spaghetti monster...

whatever you say mr dawkins


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22067001 - 08/09/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Bodhi of Ankou said:
I dont understand how presuming some being, who himself magically appeared out of nowhere is any less ridiculous then the universe suddenly flaring into existence of its own volition.





Exactly my point. :thumbup:


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22067008 - 08/09/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Bill_Oreilly said:
whatever you say mr dawkins




Is that supposed to be an insult?


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22067021 - 08/09/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It sure as shit isn't to me.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22067099 - 08/09/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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clock_of_omens said:
Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:
whatever you say mr dawkins




Is that supposed to be an insult?





No, im just saying that the opinion reminds me of something dawkins would say. Its not an insult nor a compliment.

Also, I was not talking to you. I was responding to zappa.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 1
    #22067112 - 08/09/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I just talked to God, and he was laughing at you for believing in him


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22067128 - 08/09/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Bill_Oreilly said:
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clock_of_omens said:
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Bill_Oreilly said:
whatever you say mr dawkins




Is that supposed to be an insult?





No, im just saying that the opinion reminds me of something dawkins would say. Its not an insult nor a compliment.

Also, I was not talking to you. I was responding to zappa.




And then I responded to you. There's no need to tell me the story of what just happpened.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22067242 - 08/09/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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i never said you couldn't or shouldn't interject in the debates about the existence of God...i just said that that is irrational to do so if you really believe in your conviction in lacking a belief in God(s).




How does that follow? If I believe something, why would I not discuss it?

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the danger doesn't lie in the belief, it lies in the actions. beliefs by themselves are not dangerous or harmful in anyway. it's the conviction in a belief being automatically correct that may lead to dangerous actions.




People act on beliefs. Actions don't just happen in a vacuum. If someone's belief leads them to blow people up, that belief is dangerous. And it is the religious people who believe things to be automatically correct because they are written in some old ass book. I don't believe things to be automatically correct, as I have stated. Hence the distinction between dogma and the lack thereof.

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the instance when an assertion is held that what is less non-evidential is the more rational instance, in terms of evidence towards the existence of God, is an instance that requires evidence to show the assertion to be correct.




No, the idea that assertions that have more evidence are more rational and the idea that assertions that have less of an evidential lack are more rational are definitionally true. The assertion that there is no reason to believe in god has less of an evidential lack because it is the default position. The assertion that there is a god carries the burden of proof.

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because there is no knowing of any proponents to the argument, other than your belief in your convictions.




Belief and conviction are synonyms. You're mincing words.




conviction and belief are synonymous; they are different words with different precise meanings, however.

and there is no burden of proof on the account of God(s) existence, because there is not a reason, nor call, to prove it.

not on my account, anyways.

i'll say it again; Atheism is not dogmatic. Atheists, on the other hand, are perfectly capable of having their own dogma. militant Atheists, with the decree of putting a stop to not only the control of religious institutions, but also the instance of someone's belief in whatever God(s), is dogmatic in it's follower's attempts at following through on said decrees.

and also, as i've said, the instance of presuming the belief in a lack of God(s) to be correct is also a faulty assumption.

lets talk facts instead of your beliefs, or no?


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22067315 - 08/09/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I disagree. If people are going to believe something and act on those beliefs, there is cause to provide evidence for those beliefs.

Anyone can be dogmatic about lots of things. Dogma need not be negatively connotated. Being dogmatic about logic and reason is a good thing.

Again correct in what sense? If we're talking rational, why is it faulty? If you're implying some epistomological certainty then I don't know. It may not even be possible to know with certainty in this case.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22067382 - 08/09/15 02:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

of course it isn't possible, it's like asking for the meaning of life, it's a subject of interpretation and is only a subject of interpretation; there is no "right answer", which makes it a useless speculation.


and being dogmatic about logic and reason is a good thing, sure. which is all the more why this debate is useless, unless you want to campaign to end the right to worship freely, which would overshadow any rationality of said dogmatism.

dogma doesn't have to be negatively connotated, and rationality does not have to be positively connotated.

if one insists that the only non-dangerous route in dealing with the acts of a few is to stifle people's freedom to religion then you'd have to impart danger into the impeding of those freedoms, because you'd have no other choice. you aren't going to win anyone over by saying they're wrong, when you can't prove how they're wrong. the religious are not calling for a debate...the burden of proof is not on them. in a free society, you have to put up with people's illogicality.

show me an Atheist who can respond to the belief's of others, and whom can state their own, without insisting that other's are wrong for not believing said Atheist's beliefs, and you'll find a rational Atheist.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22067431 - 08/09/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

But it isn't a useless speculation because beliefs lead to actions. If everyone's religious beliefs were just there in their head doing nothing then it would be more useless, but it's still interesting to debate things.

We don't need to end the freedom to worship, but we can educate people about the dangers of these beliefs. As long as people are acting barbaric on the basis of these beliefs, the debate is not useless.

I can't think of any instances in which rationality would have a negative connotation.

You don't need to stifle the freedom to believe, but why not stifle the freedom to kill people based on those beliefs? And it's not just a few.

I don't have to prove that their wrong. They have to prove their assertions. The reality that people are illogical and won't doesn't change that fact.

That's sounding like some postmodern nonsense to me. Someone is wrong, there is nothing wrong with asserting that it isn't you if you have the evidential upper hand.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22067473 - 08/09/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i do not see all believers blowing stuff up, :shrug: only some.

and sure you can and should educate people on the dangers of delusional beliefs that call for destruction and such...but relatively speaking, we're not talking about dangerous beliefs, but about God(s).

and i can think of at least one example of rationality having a negative connotation: a zero sum game to exculpate any power structure from having any negative connotation, such as a religious or political aim to control/manipulate people beyond their will to being controlled.


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