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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22066444 - 08/09/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Lol, now you've gone off the deep end. Check out the news real quick and come back and tell me that belief in gods does not lead to barbaric actions. This is real life shit bro.



your belief is just as dangerous, presumably, if the case is that it's dangerous to belief in anything without evidence.

i'd offer that interjecting in these areas due to your belief is just the same as what you're insisting is dangerous.




False. Beliefs lead to actions. The level of danger a specific belief brings is dependent on the actions to which it leads. A belief in Allah leads to barbarism. In Yaweh to a lesser extent. Pantheistic beliefs do not, nor does the belief that there is no god.

Your offering is not accepted. My interjecting doesn't blow people up.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22066448 - 08/09/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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sweet nothingness? a misnomer.



A poetic device.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22066456 - 08/09/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

you're the one who said believing things with no evidence is dangerous. :shrug: you have no evidence in being correct, so to assume you're correct in your beliefs is the same thing as what you've said is dangerous.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Enlil]
    #22066461 - 08/09/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Life is suffering.  Absense of life = absence of suffering = sweet nothingness.



well, mayhaps it's sweet nothingness if you're alive. if you're dead it's just "...."

but ok.

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sweet nothingness? a misnomer.



A poetic device.



fair enough. it's fine to think it'd be sweet to be dead, but of course, it's only because you're alive that you'd think or know that, is all i was saying but yeah... yeah.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22066487 - 08/09/15 10:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I look forward to being dead, but I love life for the time I have.  Life is a wonderful experience.  Ultimately, it is all of the experience I will have, since I didn't exist before life and will cease to exist thereafter.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22066498 - 08/09/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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No it isn't. The one whose assertions are more evidential is correct. Similarly, the one whose assertions are less non-evidential is more correct.




how can something be more evidential when you can't provide evidence?

how can you be correct or more correct in that there is less non-evidential assertions in assertions that provide no evidence?




That was the point of my second sentence. Like I've already said, how can there be evidence that god does not exist?. The assertion that god exists, on the other hand, requires evidence. The assertion that is less non-evidential is the more rational one. Therefore the belief that there is no god is more rational. If evidence comes about for the existence of god, this will no longer be true.

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you're the one who said believing things with no evidence is dangerous. :shrug: you have no evidence in being correct, so to assume you're correct in your beliefs is the same thing as what you've said is dangerous.




Tell me how I'm supposed to go about gathering evidence that god does not exist. Am I supposed to go look everywhere in the universe? I can't look everywhere at once, maybe he just moves around.

Even if my belief were somehow dangerous, I've already described to you wherein the danger lies. Please explain to me how my belief leading me to interject in forum discussions (btw I remember you telling someone that it's a public forum and you can interject in any conversation you please) is the same as an islamist's belief in Allah leading him to blow people up. This should be good.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Enlil]
    #22066500 - 08/09/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I look forward to being dead, but I love life for the time I have.  Life is a wonderful experience.  Ultimately, it is all of the experience I will have, since I didn't exist before life and will cease to exist thereafter.



i would love to understand why people look forward to death, if this is the only experience you can have. i know life is suffering but...at least suffering is something.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22066503 - 08/09/15 10:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

no one care about any of your beliefs. this is an internet forum populated mostly by burnout virgin junkies.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #22066508 - 08/09/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I think of death as being like going to sleep after a really long and hard day....that point where you just say, "fuck it, none of that matters now"

You don't see anything beautiful and freeing about that?


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Enlil]
    #22066526 - 08/09/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I do.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22066532 - 08/09/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
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clock_of_omens said:

No it isn't. The one whose assertions are more evidential is correct. Similarly, the one whose assertions are less non-evidential is more correct.




how can something be more evidential when you can't provide evidence?

how can you be correct or more correct in that there is less non-evidential assertions in assertions that provide no evidence?




That was the point of my second sentence. Like I've already said, how can there be evidence that god does not exist?. The assertion that god exists, on the other hand, requires evidence. The assertion that is less non-evidential is the more rational one. Therefore the belief that there is no god is more rational. If evidence comes about for the existence of god, this will no longer be true.

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you're the one who said believing things with no evidence is dangerous. :shrug: you have no evidence in being correct, so to assume you're correct in your beliefs is the same thing as what you've said is dangerous.




Tell me how I'm supposed to go about gathering evidence that god does not exist. Am I supposed to go look everywhere in the universe? I can't look everywhere at once, maybe he just moves around.

Even if my belief were somehow dangerous, I've already described to you wherein the danger lies. Please explain to me how my belief leading me to interject in forum discussions (btw I remember you telling someone that it's a public forum and you can interject in any conversation you please) is the same as an islamist's belief in Allah leading him to blow people up. This should be good.




i never said you couldn't or shouldn't interject in the debates about the existence of God...i just said that that is irrational to do so if you really believe in your conviction in lacking a belief in God(s).

the danger doesn't lie in the belief, it lies in the actions. beliefs by themselves are not dangerous or harmful in anyway. it's the conviction in a belief being automatically correct that may lead to dangerous actions.

the instance when an assertion is held that what is less non-evidential is the more rational instance, in terms of evidence towards the existence of God, is an instance that requires evidence to show the assertion to be correct.

because there is no knowing of any proponents to the argument, other than your belief in your convictions.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22066534 - 08/09/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

IRL, people say it's depressing when I say, "Well, at least I have death to look forward to."  I never mean it in that way.  I always mean it in a hopeful way.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Enlil]
    #22066539 - 08/09/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I think of death as being like going to sleep after a really long and hard day....that point where you just say, "fuck it, none of that matters now"

You don't see anything beautiful and freeing about that?



i am undecided.

so far i like life more than un-life, regardless of how shitty it can potentially be. if i can't think, than how can i be free?

perhaps there is something beautiful in that, however, so like i said, i am undecided as of yet.

i find that happiness can be found in even the most trying of situations, even if it's unlikely. and i'd rather feel happy than not exist, i think.

i'm gonna go test these implications and watch the new Mission Impossible movie.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Enlil]
    #22066547 - 08/09/15 10:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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IRL, people say it's depressing when I say, "Well, at least I have death to look forward to."  I never mean it in that way.  I always mean it in a hopeful way.



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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: SteveRogers]
    #22066593 - 08/09/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Enlil, why do all these children take such umbrage with you?

Is it because you are an adult and make arguments based on fact, precedent, and reality? Is it some personal heartache they have with the legal system(you being a lawyer). I don't get it.
You are their best friend, yet they rebuke you time and time again.





No, its because Enlil likes to stick out and act as if hes the voice of logic just because he pretends to be a high-end lawyer.

I don't care if Enlil was a billionaire and a judge. Obviously his opinion on anything that requires just a little bit of an open-mind is far beyond his ability to comprehend. Anything that cant be measured is dead to this man. When wanting to discuss anything of interest or illegal, I suggest to run far away from this guy.


I honestly don't even know why or how he is a member here, let alone a mod. He should be some spokesman on a republican political message board.



I respect him and do believe he has a place in this world, but not on here.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22066598 - 08/09/15 10:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Enlil, why do all these children take such umbrage with you?

Is it because you are an adult and make arguments based on fact, precedent, and reality? Is it some personal heartache they have with the legal system(you being a lawyer). I don't get it.
You are their best friend, yet they rebuke you time and time again.





No, its because Enlil likes to stick out and act as if hes the voice of logic just because he pretends to be a high-end lawyer.

I don't care if Enlil was a billionaire and a judge. Obviously his opinion on anything that requires just a little bit of an open-mind is far beyond his ability to comprehend. Anything that cant be measured is dead to this man. When wanting to discuss anything of interest or illegal, I suggest to run far away from this guy.


I honestly don't even know why or how he is a member here, let alone a mod. He should be some spokesman on a republican political message board.



I respect him and do believe he has a place in this world, but not on here.



He has a lot more value than you do.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22066625 - 08/09/15 10:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Cool, I don't care.

All he does is give lawyer advice that anyone could find through google.

Other than that, hes useless(Unless you want an opinion similar to Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity).


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22066630 - 08/09/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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i never said you couldn't or shouldn't interject in the debates about the existence of God...i just said that that is irrational to do so if you really believe in your conviction in lacking a belief in God(s).




How does that follow? If I believe something, why would I not discuss it?

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the danger doesn't lie in the belief, it lies in the actions. beliefs by themselves are not dangerous or harmful in anyway. it's the conviction in a belief being automatically correct that may lead to dangerous actions.




People act on beliefs. Actions don't just happen in a vacuum. If someone's belief leads them to blow people up, that belief is dangerous. And it is the religious people who believe things to be automatically correct because they are written in some old ass book. I don't believe things to be automatically correct, as I have stated. Hence the distinction between dogma and the lack thereof.

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the instance when an assertion is held that what is less non-evidential is the more rational instance, in terms of evidence towards the existence of God, is an instance that requires evidence to show the assertion to be correct.




No, the idea that assertions that have more evidence are more rational and the idea that assertions that have less of an evidential lack are more rational are definitionally true. The assertion that there is no reason to believe in god has less of an evidential lack because it is the default position. The assertion that there is a god carries the burden of proof.

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because there is no knowing of any proponents to the argument, other than your belief in your convictions.




Belief and conviction are synonyms. You're mincing words.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22066640 - 08/09/15 10:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Cool, I don't care.

All he does is give lawyer advice that anyone could find through google.

Other than that, hes useless(Unless you want an opinion similar to Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity).




He is a reasoned counter to the vast majority of posters here who are left wing childish loons who have been polluted by a corrupt education system.  Limbaugh and Hannity share the same views on god as you do.  Neither he nor I do.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22066660 - 08/09/15 11:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

No, they don't. Hannity and Rush believe God is some dude in the sky that hates gays, marijuana, abortion and so on. They have a perception of God that is totally different than mine. They are fundamentalist Christians, I am not.

they also like war and think George bush was a good president. ewww


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Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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