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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Arctic W. Fox] * 1
    #22066243 - 08/09/15 09:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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clock_of_omens said:
Sounds pretty rational to me. And lol at all the people calling Hawking stupid because he doesn't support their pet theories.




Hawking is my stupid pet trick that I'm showing off on the Letterman show.

Watch him spin in circles, drool on himself, with a 1980s robot voice, "wakka wakka wakka, blackholes, bla bla bla, universe..."

Someone needs to take that puppet's batteries away from him.




Calm down buddy, you're becoming apoplectic.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22066273 - 08/09/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

this is the problem with the Atheist debate; you have no reason to interject into matters of faith in believing in God(s), but yet you do, because you believe yourself to be correct in assuming there is no God, regardless of whether you will change your position or not upon seeing evidence.

the belief that you are correct in your assertion, which you presume to believe, is prescribed in the notion that you should tell me that you are correct, which you inevitably do when questioning the belief that i am correct in saying that no one can possibly assert a positive/negative proposition regarding God(s). it is prescribed because you provide your belief as a rule of thumb that what is unknown should be, because there is no evidence; that the belief in a God is unfounded because of the lack of evidence; because it is presumed it is unfounded, you take that as a rule of thumb that it is a lack of a belief in God(s) that is the correct course of action/thought.

God may be an invention, but inventions are as real as anything else, conceptually. it's not important whether God is "real" in the sense that my hand is real. what's important is the idea, which remains consistent in people's beliefs. the idea that God is not in existence is therefore only a belief in and of itself, and is not exempt in dogma from the practising Atheist.

PS: i'm not saying you're dogmatic, either. i'm saying Atheists can be dogmatic; that's all i'm saying.

Atheism isn't a dogmatic belief system, and yet Atheists can still be dogmatic in their beliefs. the problem is when they assume they're correct in that having no evidence means there isn't a God.

there could be a God, and that would be the most rational conclusion, because there is no way to know.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
    #22066278 - 08/09/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Arctic W. Fox said:
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clock_of_omens said:
Sounds pretty rational to me. And lol at all the people calling Hawking stupid because he doesn't support their pet theories.




Hawking is my stupid pet trick that I'm showing off on the Letterman show.

Watch him spin in circles, drool on himself, with a 1980s robot voice, "wakka wakka wakka, blackholes, bla bla bla, universe..."

Someone needs to take that puppet's batteries away from him.





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Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
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Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Clean] * 1
    #22066280 - 08/09/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Utter bullshit.  Why should we believe that there is anything behind "Stephen Hawking" other than a team of writers?




It's not like he was always unable to speak, his disability developed very gradually over time.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: psi] * 1
    #22066288 - 08/09/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Team of writers..

Yeah because he was a nobody before he was disabled.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #22066316 - 08/09/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

He was diagnosed with the disease pretty early in his academic career (early 60s), and it wasn't until the late 70s that his speech became unintelligible to everyone but close friends. By that time he had degrees from Oxford and Cambridge and had already published some pretty influential stuff.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: wigglewak]
    #22066328 - 08/09/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Energy cannot be created or destroyed. That goes for memories. Since you wish yours destroyed so insistently I bet you will be saying about the same thing for eternity.



What evidence do you have that memories can't be destroyed?

It is interesting, however, that you assume that I "wish [mine] to be destroyed".  That's really the core of your belief system, isn't it.  You wish something were true, so you find ways to believe it is.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Detached]
    #22066331 - 08/09/15 09:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Hawking is only well known due to his unfortunate physical ailments. There are other physicists who are better than he is at their professions. I just can't name any.



They are not his betters but they are his equals.  For instance Kip Thorne. 

I agree with all 4 quotes.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #22066343 - 08/09/15 09:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Enlil, why do all these children take such umbrage with you?

Is it because you are an adult and make arguments based on fact, precedent, and reality? Is it some personal heartache they have with the legal system(you being a lawyer). I don't get it.
You are their best friend, yet they rebuke you time and time again.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Enlil]
    #22066356 - 08/09/15 09:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Energy cannot be created or destroyed. That goes for memories. Since you wish yours destroyed so insistently I bet you will be saying about the same thing for eternity.



What evidence do you have that memories can't be destroyed?

It is interesting, however, that you assume that I "wish [mine] to be destroyed".  That's really the core of your belief system, isn't it.  You wish something were true, so you find ways to believe it is.




I think in the context of a Hawking thread he might be referring to this and mistakenly calling information memories.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorne%E2%80%93Hawking%E2%80%93Preskill_bet

Of course memories can be sdestroyed.  It happens to stroke victimes and Alzheimer's patients all the time.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22066387 - 08/09/15 09:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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this is the problem with the Atheist debate; you have no reason to interject into matters of faith in believing in God(s), but yet you do, because you believe yourself to be correct in assuming there is no God, regardless of whether you will change your position or not upon seeing evidence.




The reason to interject is that believing things without evidence is dangerous. The belief in certain gods has led to countless acts of barbarism. These are the most egregious cases of belief without evidence. The claims made are so ridiculously specific, and the actual dogmas prescribed by these religions are harmful. Now not all god concepts are created equally. No one has killed because of pantheism. However this concept is pointless because it boils god down to a semantic device.

Of course I believe myself to be correct in my beliefs, who doesn't. The willingness to change one's mind in the face of evidence makes all the difference.

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the belief that you are correct in your assertion, which you presume to believe, is prescribed in the notion that you should tell me that you are correct, which you inevitably do when questioning the belief that i am correct in saying that no one can possibly assert a positive/negative proposition regarding God(s).




Asserting that there is no god does not imply that there is no possibilty. The two assertions are not logically incompatable.

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it is prescribed because you provide your belief as a rule of thumb that what is unknown should be, because there is no evidence; that the belief in a God is unfounded because of the lack of evidence; because it is presumed it is unfounded, you take that as a rule of thumb that it is a lack of a belief in God(s) that is the correct course of action/thought.




It is a rule of thumb that the belief in anything without evidence is unfounded, this isn't unique to the belief in god. Correct in what sense? A belief in god with no evidence is definitionally irrational.


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God may be an invention, but inventions are as real as anything else, conceptually. it's not important whether God is "real" in the sense that my hand is real. what's important is the idea, which remains consistent in people's beliefs. the idea that God is not in existence is therefore only a belief in and of itself, and is not exempt in dogma from the practising Atheist.




There is a spectrum of what is real, and mere concepts are not real in the same way as your hand. It is extremely important because belief guides action. The belief that god is real in the same way as your hand leads to barbaric action.

I've already told you that the idea that god doesn't exist isn't dogmatic because it isn't unquestionable. It's right in the definition.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22066397 - 08/09/15 09:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The reason to interject is that believing things without evidence is dangerous.




there is the dogma again.

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Asserting that there is no god does not imply that there is no possibility. The two assertions are not logically incompatable.




true. but asserting that you are correct in lacking the belief in God(s) is truer than believing, is logically incompatible.

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I've already told you that the idea that god doesn't exist isn't dogmatic because it isn't unquestionable.




and i've already told you that that isn't what is dogmatic; what's dogmatic is the assertion that you are correct in lacking a belief in God(s) and that that is truer than believing is.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22066415 - 08/09/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Lol, now you've gone off the deep end. Check out the news real quick and come back and tell me that belief in gods does not lead to barbaric actions. This is real life shit bro.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22066420 - 08/09/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

No it isn't. I can assert right now that I am correct, but if evidence comes along I can say "oh shit, I guess I wan't correct. Time to change my stance."


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: twighead]
    #22066421 - 08/09/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Does that word have anything to do with miso soup? Yuuum




was wondering the same thing :thumbup:


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22066422 - 08/09/15 09:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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No it isn't. I can assert right now that I am correct, but if evidence comes along I can say "oh shit, I guess I wan't correct. Time to change my stance."



you can assert you are correct, but to presume you are more correct than anyone else is a faulty assumption.

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Lol, now you've gone off the deep end. Check out the news real quick and come back and tell me that belief in gods does not lead to barbaric actions. This is real life shit bro.



your belief is just as dangerous, presumably, if the case is that it's dangerous to belief in anything without evidence.

i'd offer that interjecting in these areas due to your belief is just the same as what you're insisting is dangerous.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22066428 - 08/09/15 09:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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clock_of_omens said:
No it isn't. I can assert right now that I am correct, but if evidence comes along I can say "oh shit, I guess I wan't correct. Time to change my stance."



you can assert you are correct, but to presume you are more correct than anyone else is a faulty assumption.




No it isn't. The one whose assertions are more evidential is correct. Similarly, the one whose assertions are less non-evidential is more correct.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: SteveRogers] * 1
    #22066429 - 08/09/15 09:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Enlil, why do all these children take such umbrage with you?

You are their best friend, yet they rebuke you time and time again.



It's a burden I'll likely carry to my grave.  After that, however, sweet nothingness.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22066437 - 08/09/15 10:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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No it isn't. The one whose assertions are more evidential is correct. Similarly, the one whose assertions are less non-evidential is more correct.




how can something be more evidential when you can't provide evidence?

how can you be correct or more correct in that there is less non-evidential assertions in assertions that provide no evidence?


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Enlil]
    #22066439 - 08/09/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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It's a burden I'll likely carry to my grave.  After that, however, sweet nothingness.




sweet nothingness? a misnomer.


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