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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22065983 - 08/09/15 07:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What dogma? I believe there are no unicorns. That doesn't really mean anything. If some evidence for unicorns suddenly appears I'd be perfectly willing to change my stance.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens] * 1
    #22066005 - 08/09/15 07:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If you smoke DMT you will see unicorns.

Seeing is believing.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 1
    #22066008 - 08/09/15 07:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You obviously don't know what seeing is.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22066023 - 08/09/15 08:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:rolleyes:


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22066069 - 08/09/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So if I dream of the tooth fairy coming into my room at night, I should believe that's real?


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22066071 - 08/09/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

clock_of_omens said:
What dogma? I believe there are no unicorns. That doesn't really mean anything. If some evidence for unicorns suddenly appears I'd be perfectly willing to change my stance.



the dogma is in your asserting that other's are wrong while you are correct, with absolutely no evidence.

at least you can admit it's a belief. most Atheists i've talked with can't even do that.

Atheism is the lack of belief in deities, and the idea in itself has no dogma. Atheists that assert their belief's as true above all other consideration are simply presenting their own personal dogmatism, however.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22066082 - 08/09/15 08:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

clock_of_omens said:
What dogma? I believe there are no unicorns. That doesn't really mean anything. If some evidence for unicorns suddenly appears I'd be perfectly willing to change my stance.



http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19641042/fpart/1/vc/1


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22066091 - 08/09/15 08:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That isn't dogma. Tell me how I'm supposed to go about proving there is no god.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #22066097 - 08/09/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

XLCaps said:
Quote:

clock_of_omens said:
What dogma? I believe there are no unicorns. That doesn't really mean anything. If some evidence for unicorns suddenly appears I'd be perfectly willing to change my stance.



http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19641042/fpart/1/vc/1




This obviously proves my point.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22066101 - 08/09/15 08:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

yeah, it's dogma.

dogma

eg
x.
prescribed doctrine proclaimed as unquestionably true by a particular group
x.
a settled or established opinion, belief, or principle (ie
the classic dogma of objectivity in scientific observation.)

the lack of a belief if as an unerring postulation proclaimed to be only true and never false, presents no evidence, and is touted as a group's belief system (viz the belief that religious people are incorrect in their beliefs, while Atheists are not) is a fine example of dogmatism.


Edited by akira_akuma (08/09/15 08:30 AM)


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #22066106 - 08/09/15 08:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Exactly. It isn't unquestionable. If evidence for god comes about, I'll change my stance. It also isn't prescibed. I look, I see no evidence and I come to a conclusion.


Edited by clock_of_omens (08/09/15 08:25 AM)


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22066123 - 08/09/15 08:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

sure it's prescribed. you're prescribing to me the instance that you are correct and that i am incorrect.

you're incorrect and i am correct. see the difference?

i understand my position is a belief, and yet am not dogmatic about whether or not there can potentially be a God or not. i just simply don't know.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22066166 - 08/09/15 08:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So, the few times that I've seen an alien spacecraft (CE2), and had physical contact with non-Earth people (CE3 & CE4), would mean... what?


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
    #22066173 - 08/09/15 08:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

^^ that would mean its very possible it was real, and very possible it wasn't.


--------------------
Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
    #22066174 - 08/09/15 08:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

to an Atheist: nothing.

to me: i love for you to explain yourself, so we can discuss your experience.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22066182 - 08/09/15 08:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

clock_of_omens said:
So if I dream of the tooth fairy coming into my room at night, I should believe that's real?





That's not a good comparison.


If you smoke dmt and see a unicorn, it could be real because you are awake and experiencing it.

Dreams you are not awake.



I never said you should believe anything. But I am saying you should remain open-minded because anything is possible SEEING as how according to hawking, the universe came from nothing.


If you can believe the universe came from nothing for no reason, then you can surely believe ANYTHING.

The chances of dreams of unicorns to be real are more likely to be true than the universe coming about for no reason out of nothing.


--------------------
Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22066187 - 08/09/15 08:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

that's actually a sensible proposition.

:congrats:


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22066205 - 08/09/15 08:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

akira_akuma said:
sure it's prescribed. you're prescribing to me the instance that you are correct and that i am incorrect.

you're incorrect and i am correct. see the difference?

i understand my position is a belief, and yet am not dogmatic about whether or not there can potentially be a God or not. i just simply don't know.




prescribe
[pri-skrahyb]
verb (used with object), prescribed, prescribing.
1.
to lay down, in writing or otherwise, as a rule or a course of action to be followed; appoint, ordain, or enjoin.

How is this what I am doing?

I just told you I'm not dogmatic. This will be the third time I've said I would be willing to change my position if shown evidence. Of course you don't know, no one does.

Quote:

akira_akuma said:
to an Atheist: nothing.

to me: i love for you to explain yourself, so we can discuss your experience.




This doesn't even make sense. How would one's atheism lead one to make any claims about an alien encounter?


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #22066219 - 08/09/15 08:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

clock_of_omens said:
Sounds pretty rational to me. And lol at all the people calling Hawking stupid because he doesn't support their pet theories.




Hawking is my stupid pet trick that I'm showing off on the Letterman show.

Watch him spin in circles, drool on himself, with a 1980s robot voice, "wakka wakka wakka, blackholes, bla bla bla, universe..."

Someone needs to take that puppet's batteries away from him.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22066234 - 08/09/15 09:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:
Quote:

clock_of_omens said:
So if I dream of the tooth fairy coming into my room at night, I should believe that's real?





That's not a good comparison.


If you smoke dmt and see a unicorn, it could be real because you are awake and experiencing it.




When you smoke dmt you are taken out of regular concious experience just like when you are dreaming.

Quote:

Dreams you are not awake.



I never said you should believe anything. But I am saying you should remain open-minded because anything is possible SEEING as how according to hawking, the universe came from nothing.


If you can believe the universe came from nothing for no reason, then you can surely believe ANYTHING.




When did I say I wasn't open minded to possibilities? In fact I said the exact opposite more than once.




The chances of dreams of unicorns to be real are more likely to be true than the universe coming about for no reason out of nothing.




The disparity in evidence would suggest otherwise.


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