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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#22065234 - 08/09/15 12:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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In the evolution of a species, I see it as - if a species does not cultivate advanced morals/culture alongside the advent of higher technology their chances of survival drop drastically due to high potential for catastrophic misuse of technology. Logic generally shows that ultimately; war can bring gain - however can be ultimately costly, helping each other is almost always gainful, if only in promoting good relations... and thus would be interested in helping rather than hurting - that or just not interfering at all (which could easily be the most common 'interaction')
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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: twighead]
#22065318 - 08/09/15 12:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah I can definitely agree with that, and the structure was there. It sure would be nice to have some friendly aliens come along and help us, but I think we're on our own here unfortunately. If we make the grade or not depends on what choices we make and in my mind the idea of an external savior hasn't really done us any favors so far.
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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Enlil]
#22065399 - 08/09/15 12:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It isn't about evidence either. Its about possibility's ,just because there's no evidence doesn't mean it isn't possible.
Just because we haven't found something doesn't mean is isn't there.....
On the scale of the universe we are as you would call it "Primitive".
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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: CosmicAdventurer]
#22065408 - 08/09/15 12:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Everything's "possible". Believing in something just because it's possible is an act of faith. If you're a man of faith, that's fine. I choose reason over faith every time, though.
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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Enlil]
#22065433 - 08/09/15 12:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Energy cannot be created or destroyed. That goes for memories. Since you wish yours destroyed so insistently I bet you will be saying about the same thing for eternity.
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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: wigglewak]
#22065541 - 08/09/15 01:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ive always thought that any alien race capable of advancing as far as reaching other planets would have had to reach some state of peace among their civilization. Meaning they worked together to reach those levels of advanced technology. Unlike us who separate into countries and states and will probably destroy ourselves
I'm also kind of suprised he said "theres probably no heaven or afterlife" that seems like something someone who was raised christian would say after he takes his first hit of weed. literally the last 3 quotes bill listed seem like they were written by someone just coming into their own as a free thinker. Not a genius physicist.
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clock_of_omens
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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#22065559 - 08/09/15 01:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sounds pretty rational to me. And lol at all the people calling Hawking stupid because he doesn't support their pet theories.
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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#22065718 - 08/09/15 03:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: I dont understand how presuming some being, who himself magically appeared out of nowhere is any less ridiculous then the universe suddenly flaring into existence of its own volition.
That would have to assume multiple ridiculous concepts as compared to one.
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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Confucian]
#22065788 - 08/09/15 05:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Confucian said:
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Bill_Oreilly said: im not huge on ghosts, but man theres just so many ghostly/spirit encounters and experuences for me to deny. Same with Near-death experiences..UFOS..and so on.
For every single one of those accounts to be just the imagination at work seems very unlikely.
Only hillb*11ies (censored in case a certain mod is reading), druggies, losers, and morons see ghosts and have UFO experiences.
You just won't see a guy with a Master's in Engineering or PhD in Chem ever have this type of hallucination. Why is that? Why do only dummies have those experiences?
This is exactly why idc if have a fucking tea party with the alien ambassador of a highly civilized galaxy, I would't tell anyone if I was the only person that could verify it. Because of this everyone just thinks your crazy,there's no satellite imagery etc. Yet most people that believe that also believe in other intelligent life in the universe . Also I believe there has been credited scientist(for a while) and certainly many decorated air force pilots. In a Area 51 Russian equivalent called Kapustin Yar there was a documented dogfight with a ufo that ended with both pilot and ufo crashing.
All this being said I believe in aliens just as much as god
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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Enlil]
#22065798 - 08/09/15 05:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Mr. Hawking is dead on with all of those quotes. UFO's exist, sure, but only because the viewer can't identify them. Belief in a god or afterlife is for the weak-minded and the dreamers.
Your right about a God. But not an afterlife.
People have experienced the spirit world within this physical world, this world is a combination of spirit and physical. Just because you cannot see something, does not mean that it is not there. Like Oxygen.
A God, is simply a stronger entity than oneself.
If I were to fly a spaceship to Mars and there was a primitive tribe of huminoids they would likely worship me and believe me to be a God or whatever I told them.
(this is my opinion Enlil im not trying to force it upon you, js)
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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bill_Oreilly] 1
#22065842 - 08/09/15 05:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said:
“We are each free to believe what we want and it is my view that the simplest explanation is there is no God. No one created the universe and no one directs our fate. This leads me to a profound realization. There is probably no heaven, and no afterlife either. We have this one life to appreciate the grand design of the universe, and for that, I am extremely grateful.”
This almost sounds infected by Misotheism. Many people who on this site claim to be atheist are really misotheist, rather than a lack of belief there is a deep seated aversion and blame, and an enjoyment in disrupting theistic topics.
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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Asante] 1
#22065874 - 08/09/15 06:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Such ignorance of any of you guys to claim that only uneducated people and druggies have seen ufos. Ive seen many videos of politicians, people in power, and many credible people claim UFO sightings
^^ that was directed not at asante but the people who said only crazies have ufo sightings.
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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Clean]
#22065880 - 08/09/15 06:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Clean said: I see things I would describe as UFOs (not OBVIOUSLY airplanes with distinctly blinking lights) all the time. And this tube fed ninny calls me a weirdo. Fuck you, Stephen.
Fuck him is right. The fucking tomato.
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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Asante]
#22065943 - 08/09/15 07:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Asante said:
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Bill_Oreilly said:
“We are each free to believe what we want and it is my view that the simplest explanation is there is no God. No one created the universe and no one directs our fate. This leads me to a profound realization. There is probably no heaven, and no afterlife either. We have this one life to appreciate the grand design of the universe, and for that, I am extremely grateful.”
This almost sounds infected by Misotheism. Many people who on this site claim to be atheist are really misotheist, rather than a lack of belief there is a deep seated aversion and blame, and an enjoyment in disrupting theistic topics.
First, how does that quote in any way lead you to believe that he hates god? Second, I really hope you aren't trying to say that he actually believes in god, and that he is just lying to himself because he hates god. Using a tactic that was used in the movie God's Not Dead is pretty sad.
"Strictly speaking, the term connotes an attitude towards the gods (one of hatred) rather than making a statement about their nature." This quote would imply that one could both hate a certain conception of god and still not believe in any god. The god of plenty holy texts is completely worthy of aversion and hatred, whether it actually exists or not.
Finally, there is nothing wrong with enjoying pointing out irrationality.
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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bill_Oreilly] 1
#22065948 - 08/09/15 07:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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even Atheists who deny or simply lack a belief in deities, do not deny their belief that they presume to be correct in their assertion without any such proof of the matter, and thus are falling into the same trap of belief and dogma. an opinion which is taken as truth, and postulated to be the "right/correct" presumption, over all else.
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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
#22065950 - 08/09/15 07:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Does that word have anything to do with miso soup? Yuuum
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clock_of_omens
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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#22065955 - 08/09/15 07:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Clean said: I see things I would describe as UFOs (not OBVIOUSLY airplanes with distinctly blinking lights) all the time. And this tube fed ninny calls me a weirdo. Fuck you, Stephen.
Fuck him is right. The fucking tomato.
Bro go back to FOX News, you're embarrassing yourself. Hawking's contributions to the world are far greater than all your nightly inane babbling.
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clock_of_omens
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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22065959 - 08/09/15 07:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: even Atheists who deny or simply lack a belief in deities, do not deny their belief that they presume to be correct in their assertion without any such proof of the matter, and thus are falling into the same trap of belief and dogma. an opinion which is taken as truth, and postulated to be the "right/correct" presumption, over all else.
One doesn't have to prove that god doesn't exist. It's the default position in the face of zero evidence.
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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: clock_of_omens]
#22065966 - 08/09/15 07:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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no, but that it is still a belief and still carries dogma, that cannot be repudiated.
you'd have to presume to be correct in order to think that there is only lack where there is no question that you couldn't possibly know of any lack, therefore, it is a belief of lacking, rather than no-belief.
Edited by akira_akuma (08/09/15 07:39 AM)
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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Enlil]
#22065979 - 08/09/15 07:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Mr. Hawking is dead on with all of those quotes. UFO's exist, sure, but only because the viewer can't identify them.
sounds like an easy loophole, and weak sophism.
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