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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Enlil]
    #22064583 - 08/08/15 09:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah but you just said that


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Clean]
    #22064623 - 08/08/15 09:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Never seen anything worth telling in a hyper-enthusiastic way.  Just lights that don't behave like aircraft we are familiar with :shrug:




That wasn't really directed at you specifically.  I've also seen some weird lights and shit, but nothing that extraordinary.  I have friends I was thinking of that go on and on about black triangles.  I love the guys but it's kinda well known that they tell tall tales about other things, not really in a malicious way, but to entertain and maybe impress others.  I've known other people who tell similar stories, and people make a big deal about how UFO stories are so similar therefore they must be true, but there are also similarities between the people that tell these stories that might point to other explanations. 

One thing you might say is that they are universally rejected by the scientific community.  Sure, there's gubberment conspiracies, but when I read the scientists they actually make really strong cases in favor of skepticism regarding aliens and UFOs.  I'm pretty sure the vast majority of scientists are honest and some of the best critical thinkers on the planet, so why don't they get it?  Because the evidence is lacking. 

It's easy to point to some government conspiracy to explain points where an argument is lacking, but if you've got no proof don't be surprised if people write you off as a loon, especially if you're trying to convince them based on things that you experienced under the influence of psychotropic drugs.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22064636 - 08/08/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I want to know which drugs Stephen Hawking is on.  I'll bet there is a lazy-susan full of prescription pill bottles...


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Clean]
    #22064682 - 08/08/15 09:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hawking is only well known due to his unfortunate physical ailments. There are other physicists who are better than he is at their professions. I just can't name any.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Detached]
    #22064751 - 08/08/15 10:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

"Cant fix stupid"or "Rolling stone gathers no moss" but that's besides the point isn't it.....


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: CosmicAdventurer]
    #22064768 - 08/08/15 10:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What a closed minded vegetable


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22064772 - 08/08/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Lol@ his ufo statement, obviously for all his 'smarts' he's too stupid to research into the thousands of reported sightings, thousands of which are by military personnel whose job is to know what's in the sky. He also has quotes talking about how more than likely aliens would want to kill us :lol: sounds delusional to me


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: twighead]
    #22064810 - 08/08/15 10:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Mr. Hawking is dead on with all of those quotes.  UFO's exist, sure, but only because the viewer can't identify them.  Belief in a god or afterlife is for the weak-minded and the dreamers.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #22064820 - 08/08/15 10:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Let us not tread over old ground sir knows it all


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #22064827 - 08/08/15 10:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Insults don't make your opinion valid.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: wigglewak]
    #22064841 - 08/08/15 10:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Why would anyone be insulted by that?

Some people want to fool themselves into believing that consciousness or "spirit" is somehow separate from the chemical reactions in their brains, but rational people know better.  For some, it's just hard to accept that their whole sense of "self" is just a giant lie that they've told themselves their whole life.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Enlil]
    #22064872 - 08/08/15 10:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You are assuming the opinion that isn't yours is inherently dumber without progressing the argument to another point. That resonates as insulting to me.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: wigglewak]
    #22064877 - 08/08/15 10:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It isn't about opinion.  It is about evidence.  There is literally zero evidence of a god, spirit, afterlife, or alien visitation on this planet.  To believe in anything without evidence is irrational.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: Enlil]
    #22064901 - 08/08/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I think there are some interesting philosophical dilemmas when it comes to the nature of consciousness and free will, but still getting from that to the supernatural/ET answers seems impossible to me without some level of delusion.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22064947 - 08/08/15 10:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

"I imagine they might exist in massive ships, having used up all the resources from their home planet. Such advanced aliens would perhaps become nomads, looking to conquer and colonise whatever planets they can reach." - Stephen Hawking in an article about why he thinks its a bad idea to contact aliens

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Sounds like he formulated that by watching chronicles of riddick :lol:

Realistically, I believe most societies that reach the phase of advanced spacefaring have probably also developed the capability to molecularly construct whatever they want out of hydrogen molecules, etc. thus making resources trivial.

It's impossible to say exactly, but the likelihood of encountering a warlike species is probably a lot lower due to incidences of self-annihilation which come hand in hand with such high tech.

Also; there are probably a few million uninhabited habitable resource rich planets for every inhabited one... his reasoning is stupid, there is no logical benefit to hostile invasion of already inhabited planets.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: twighead]
    #22065051 - 08/08/15 11:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I mean he's expressing those ideas as a mental exercise not saying that he has proof aliens would be like that.  I think it's even more arrogant to assume that he's wrong.  Outside the emotional and sentimental way we think of ourselves the natural world is a harsh place full of things that don't share our values.  I think imagination is important, but we also should appreciate what we do have in each-other, and how wonderful that can be in itself, because it is very likely this is as good as it gets for us.

Honestly I think if a peaceful advanced race of aliens came to visit us they'd probably look at us as pretty primitive and cruel, so even if they were fairly egalitarian within themselves I doubt they would want much to do with us.  Even as a human it takes alot to overlook the bad and say that there is something so special about us that we need to be recognized on the intergalactic scene.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22065149 - 08/08/15 11:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

if stephen hawking really said these things then he's a lot dumber than I thought, which was not dumb at all. but now he seems pretty stupid. If he really said this dumb stuff


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: berdinwall]
    #22065174 - 08/08/15 11:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

He did say it on some TV show I think.  It doesn't matter if people think that this hypothetical situation is unlikely considering I think his position overall is that humans coming into contact with aliens in any manner is unlikely.  He's definitely not the first to propose the idea that aliens could be hostile though, that's only the plot to like every single alien themed fiction ever.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22065179 - 08/08/15 11:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Well he wrote basically a whole article of fearful thoughts about aliens :lol: I'm not saying I know one way or another either - it just had an overly fearful vibe that gives a peek into what he thinks like.

I think that they'd see the cruelty and the potential so would want to work with us to excise the former and promote the latter.


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Re: What do you think of these 4 stephen hawking quotes? [Re: twighead]
    #22065204 - 08/08/15 11:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That's quite optimistic, but I don't think we have a fear of the unknown totally for nothing.  I don't really have total confidence that humans if they lived until the barrier of space could be crossed would necessarily evolve into something I would find acceptable on a moral level.  In my opinion technology doesn't necessarily bring about fairness and equality.  I can't figure why aliens would be good to us, because I think if humans came across a bunch of weird aliens I think they would have a hard time accepting them.


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