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Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin?
    #22061375 - 08/08/15 01:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I was considering buying a San Pedro cactus and holding onto it for a decade or so Until it's big enough for me an a few close friends to have the trip of a lifetime.


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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22061391 - 08/08/15 02:06 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

its so clean and purely beautiful, say hello to mescalitto for me :laugh:


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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: Blazer420]
    #22061417 - 08/08/15 02:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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its so clean and purely beautiful, say hello to mescalitto for me :laugh:




Can you describe what you mean by "clean"?


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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: Blazer420]
    #22061419 - 08/08/15 02:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Last weekend i had my head blown off by mescaline, third time and 2 cups was the charm

beautiful colors and visions, felt a bit reminiscent of LSD


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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: Does]
    #22061483 - 08/08/15 03:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I also would like to know characteristics of mescaline compared to other psychedelics. I take LSD and mushrooms quite regularly and I even own heaps of mescaline containing cactui but for some reason I have never indulged. Maybe it just hasn't called me yet. Regardless, I would love to know it's similarities/differences to other psychedelics.


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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: buddingshroomer]
    #22061920 - 08/08/15 09:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Imagine a LSD analogue from nature. Thats kinda like cacti.

Execpt theres a drunken come-up, and the visuals feel more hyper-real/Super HD/Dreamlike to me, while LSD is more Organic-electric/evolving/transforming.


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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 5
    #22062319 - 08/08/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Warm, earthy, extremely empathogenic & entactogenic, wholesome euphoria, crystal clarity of the mind, unparalleled connection to nature, deepening of colors, improved acuity of vision, very ancient feeling... It's incredible; one of favorites. IME it's not super visual, but the most I took was 353 mgs of mescaline HCL. Still a great dose; it's about the feelings & headspace more than the visuals really. The Native Americans call it first & foremost a medicine, and I agree.


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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22063027 - 08/08/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Dark_Star said:
Warm, earthy, extremely empathogenic & entactogenic, wholesome euphoria, crystal clarity of the mind, unparalleled connection to nature, deepening of colors, improved acuity of vision, very ancient feeling... It's incredible; one of favorites. IME it's not super visual, but the most I took was 353 mgs of mescaline HCL. Still a great dose; it's about the feelings & headspace more than the visuals really. The Native Americans call it first & foremost a medicine, and I agree.






I concur with all the above :yesnod: .








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I was considering buying a San Pedro cactus and holding onto it for a decade or so Until it's big enough....





Unless you live in the far northern latitudes, you shouldn't have to wait 10 years. I live in california and my cactus grow about a foot every year.

I brew up a batch of tea once or twice a year, and save the tips of the cactus to re-plant....the stuff grows so quickly where I live I pretty much have a life-time supply of cactus at this point, and enough to gift a cutting or two every year as well.




Buy several cuttings or some seeds of different species and get em' in the ground....in a few years you'll have more than plenty to work with and share with others.








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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: openmind]
    #22063101 - 08/08/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Grow them in a warm indoor heated room or something?


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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: openmind]
    #22063471 - 08/08/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Dark_Star said:
Warm, earthy, extremely empathogenic & entactogenic, wholesome euphoria, crystal clarity of the mind, unparalleled connection to nature, deepening of colors, improved acuity of vision, very ancient feeling... It's incredible; one of favorites. IME it's not super visual, but the most I took was 353 mgs of mescaline HCL. Still a great dose; it's about the feelings & headspace more than the visuals really. The Native Americans call it first & foremost a medicine, and I agree.






I concur with all the above :yesnod: .








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uninc4life2010 said:
I was considering buying a San Pedro cactus and holding onto it for a decade or so Until it's big enough....





Unless you live in the far northern latitudes, you shouldn't have to wait 10 years. I live in california and my cactus grow about a foot every year.

I brew up a batch of tea once or twice a year, and save the tips of the cactus to re-plant....the stuff grows so quickly where I live I pretty much have a life-time supply of cactus at this point, and enough to gift a cutting or two every year as well.




Buy several cuttings or some seeds of different species and get em' in the ground....in a few years you'll have more than plenty to work with and share with others.








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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: openmind]
    #22063639 - 08/08/15 05:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

uninc4life2010 said:
I was considering buying a San Pedro cactus and holding onto it for a decade or so Until it's big enough....





Unless you live in the far northern latitudes, you shouldn't have to wait 10 years. I live in california and my cactus grow about a foot every year.

I brew up a batch of tea once or twice a year, and save the tips of the cactus to re-plant....the stuff grows so quickly where I live I pretty much have a life-time supply of cactus at this point, and enough to gift a cutting or two every year as well.




Buy several cuttings or some seeds of different species and get em' in the ground....in a few years you'll have more than plenty to work with and share with others.








-OM



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I was actually planning on planting one in a pot so that I could take it wherever I go.  I'm still in school and moving around quite a bit.


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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22063727 - 08/08/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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its so clean and purely beautiful, say hello to mescalitto for me :laugh:




Can you describe what you mean by "clean"?




clean means there isnt as much chemical additives in the drug, so its basically as clean as a drug can get coming from its natural plant form.


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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: Blazer420]
    #22064340 - 08/08/15 08:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If you're going to grow out San Pedro for a good mescaline experience, I would suggest going with T. Peruvianus or T. Bridgesii. Grows just as quickly, much higher mescaline content, and the Bridgesii is way more consistant potency-wise. San Pedro is awesome dont get me wrong. All are pretty affordable too.


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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: Cactiguy1979] * 1
    #22064604 - 08/08/15 09:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I think It's unique quality is the pace of the experience. Its sloow, like a turtle creeping through the desert.


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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: satch1234]
    #22064614 - 08/08/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

yeah good mescaline doesnt kick in till a good 2 hours after dosing


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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: Blazer420]
    #22064641 - 08/08/15 09:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It kicks in slow, but the mind space was actually way faster and more chaotic than several hits of WoW blotter, when I struck a very potent 10 inch bridgesii specimen.


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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #22065503 - 08/09/15 01:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Warm, earthy, extremely empathogenic & entactogenic, wholesome euphoria, crystal clarity of the mind, unparalleled connection to nature, deepening of colors, improved acuity of vision, very ancient feeling... It's incredible; one of favorites. IME it's not super visual, but the most I took was 353 mgs of mescaline HCL. Still a great dose; it's about the feelings & headspace more than the visuals really. The Native Americans call it first & foremost a medicine, and I agree.




:justastonishing:

Perfect description.

(WAY better than mine :lol:)


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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #22065602 - 08/09/15 02:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's a good qualitative description of mescaline....in small doses.

On potent cacti, your mind definitely can feel like it's spinning faster than a centrifuge, flying apart, losing your mind, not knowing who you are, tunneling through a hyperspace of sorts behind closed eyes, everything so bowed and warped you can't see straight, neon bright glowing skies. See my sig, that was from 10 inches of bridgesii. Cacti is unpredictable, that 10 cacti trip annihilated any 15 inch bridgesii trip I've had

Mescaline in high amounts is harder to handle than DMT. At least with that you know it's over in 5 minutes..not 16 fucking hours


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Hugging your mind, praying to survive, feeling the love of the hieroglyphs in the sky
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That makes the heart's eye cry
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It's all in the mind


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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #22065628 - 08/09/15 02:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i love the slight xtc feel with the euphoric wave/roll that mescal has


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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: Blazer420]
    #22065664 - 08/09/15 02:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Blazer, on a high dose it's more than a "slight rolling feeling" lol..if I were to compare it to a non psychedelic as you kinda did, I'd describe it as more of a strong stimulant/adrenaline rush mixed with a feeling vaguely similar to the general sort of profound euphoria, that something is cosmic, that I've gotten once from acid and many times from DMT


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Hugging your mind, praying to survive, feeling the love of the hieroglyphs in the sky
We all need more love, and mainly less hate
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That makes the heart's eye cry
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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #22065696 - 08/09/15 03:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Of course on a higher dose it will feel more than a slight roll... lol

My neck and back tighten up just thinking about it.


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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: Blazer420]
    #22065722 - 08/09/15 03:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You mean it tightens up your neck/back? I can't tell literalism over the net lol. It makes my heart almost wanna accelerate just remembering, lol. Blaze man have you had a "real" mescaline trip, ie one where the bridgesii..started to show it's true nature..the achuma? (same plant, different name for different trip intensities, just an idiosyncrasy of mine)

imho, I think it makes sense to call it a bridgesii trip, if the trip hasn't gotten intense enough for deep chaotic journey into the inner mind, and electric shocks permeating your body (or so the body high feels, lol). But when it does get to that point, then it's not a bridgesii trip, it's an ACHUMA trip!


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Hugging your mind, praying to survive, feeling the love of the hieroglyphs in the sky
We all need more love, and mainly less hate
Hate is the blind that covers the heart's eye
That makes the heart's eye cry
Locked deep away in the skies of our minds

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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #22065733 - 08/09/15 03:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

mescal trip was with mescaline hcl and was purified 8x from the chemist.. He used peyote buttons m8.


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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: Blazer420]
    #22065786 - 08/09/15 05:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I have some very active and nice tip's.

when I drank up the tea I brewed from a foot of my supply I felt very charged up, no weird feelings like shrooms the cacti gives you this energy I can only say feels tribal. for sure the CEV are bizzar.
its a bad as party drug that's for sure.


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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: TEAMSESH]
    #22065805 - 08/09/15 05:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

TEAM, that's the most educated response thus far. "charged up" and "bizarre closed eye visuals" and tribal feeling, give you way more insight into an actual cacti experience, than the descriptions given by cliche about cacti :laugh:


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Hugging your mind, praying to survive, feeling the love of the hieroglyphs in the sky
We all need more love, and mainly less hate
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That makes the heart's eye cry
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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: TEAMSESH]
    #22065823 - 08/09/15 05:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Cactus really has this stimulating power that keeps you awake and clear headed ("charged up" :thumbup: ), while mushrooms tend to make you drowsy and kind of sleepy.
But cactus feels very dreamlike, too.

Mushrooms may have more ups and downs than cacti, it's a rough whirlwind compared to a warm summerbreeze.

Cactus is a natural stimulant, empathogen, hallucinogen and more. Felt like a perfectly dosed cocktail of amphetamines + md(m)a + lsd to me.

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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: Pandemoon]
    #22065831 - 08/09/15 05:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

IMO pandemoons description is just about perfect as a broad generalization of a cacti trip, 5 shrooms my man


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Hugging your mind, praying to survive, feeling the love of the hieroglyphs in the sky
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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: Blazer420]
    #22066192 - 08/09/15 08:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Do you get this neck and back tightening the whole trip?  I just asked cus I dis it recently and it drove me mad lol


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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: sarahnya]
    #22066607 - 08/09/15 10:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

im not a doctor but a tight neck or back feeling might be from being to tense and not relaxing , my 2 cents ,, I felt no such feel.


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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: Blazer420] * 1
    #22066928 - 08/09/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's also worth noting that cacti contain a spectrum of alkaloids other than mescaline that contribute to the experience. Different species contain different ones & varying amounts. My experience is with mescaline HCL, not a full spectrum extract/tea, so my experience may differ slightly.


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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #22067084 - 08/09/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

mescaline HCL is not pure mescaline and is not a full spectrum experience?


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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: TEAMSESH]
    #22067391 - 08/09/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Where did you get that? Mescaline HCL is pure mescaline; it's the hydrochloride salt which is the most potent salt. A full spectrum extract contains mescaline plus a whole slew of other alkaloids, which alters the experience a bit.


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....Cactus is a natural stimulant, empathogen, hallucinogen and more. Felt like a perfectly dosed cocktail of amphetamines + md(m)a + lsd to me.....






Put simply, just for the sake of comparison, if I had to put cactus in a comparison to other drugs I'd totally agree with that as well. It really does have aspects that are reminiscent of all those....and in a perfectly balanced ratio of each like you mention. Though, still, has it's own unique thing going on.




The empathetic and entactogenic aspect of mescaline are on par with mdma in my experience, though less "pushy" feeling....I find there's also a very pronounced "erotic" vibe to mescaline too, the stuff can get me rather horny more so than any other psychedelic (LSD is a close 2nd) ....But it is not a dopaminergic driven horny-ness like amphetamines catalyze .






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    #22068010 - 08/09/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

From my experience, mescaline effects are closer to LSD effects than psilocybin. But overall mesc is unique in itself.


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    #22074049 - 08/10/15 10:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

to me clean has always meant exactly that, clean, just you and the drugs effects. period. minimal side effects or unwanted effects. eg. pure mdma=clean and gentle vs mdma mixed with amps = dirty and probably a bit uncomfortable/agitating. also i feel like it has a connotation of clear headspace vs shrooms which dont feel that way sometimes.


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    #22076154 - 08/11/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah clear headspace and more logical thinking than with shrooms is what I've noticed. I get IQ boost too.


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    #22076446 - 08/11/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I was considering buying a San Pedro cactus and holding onto it for a decade or so Until it's big enough....





Unless you live in the far northern latitudes, you shouldn't have to wait 10 years. I live in california and my cactus grow about a foot every year.

I brew up a batch of tea once or twice a year, and save the tips of the cactus to re-plant....the stuff grows so quickly where I live I pretty much have a life-time supply of cactus at this point, and enough to gift a cutting or two every year as well.




Buy several cuttings or some seeds of different species and get em' in the ground....in a few years you'll have more than plenty to work with and share with others.








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How many times do you provide water to the cactus, i will be getting one soon, aorund 30 cm tall,  also when you make the tea, how much do you cut from the cactus to make the tea?
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    #22080858 - 08/12/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

mescalione is likecoffe mixed with lil coke some wavey motions visual wise annd if you close you're eyes and see with you brain shit gets weird for me atleast the smarter you are the better the drug is they say, example my wood floor has details of like real wood soooo, shit was jsut wavvy man, i drank a tea about 35.34cm. concentrated it down to like 6 oz drank it with brisk , and 3 hours later i wAS DOING PUSH UPS FUCKING LOOKING AT EVERY THING DOING MORE PUSHUPS AND FEELING LIKE I WARRIOR maybe not  , SORRY IM LEARNING TO TYEP WITH OUT LOOKING AT THE KEYS ND IMsooo baked , off blue dream , alpine OG ,and now afterthis post ill rip some beehive crumble SOUR jack.


i have a weak stomach for nasty tastying anything and cacti tea is pretty fucking vile. but maybe not for everyone its not about the taste thoo its how you come out on the other side that matters.

its nothing to fucking be fucking with you see how fucked up the shamans looks you wanna look like that ? lol
just stick to what you know dont keep going thier is nothing to learn ., 

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    #22081096 - 08/12/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I haven't tried mescaline but I plan to probably do some tomorrow or Friday. I'll be doing it rectally, both to save some money and to avoid as much stomach discomfort as possible. I'd like an unforgettable experience with strong effects and I probably won't be combining it with anything. I'm thinking in the region of about 300mg, should I go higher or lower do you think?


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    #22081243 - 08/12/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

how far the cacti goes up your shit is on you just make shore to cut the spines  your ass hole is not a fucking digestive system 
im resounding to a fiucking joke>?
rectal cacti ? damn  talk about the struggle.
ectacy up the ass ive heard of but Christ man how far is to far for some.


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    #22081514 - 08/12/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Teamsesh, I'm talking about mescaline hcl which is a white powder, not dried cactus or anything. I don't know how it's extracted or whether it's made in the lab but it's just mescaline pure and simple.

You basically mix the powder with water suck it up with a syringe (without the needle) and then squirt it in there. Using some Lube on the syringe helps I think but I don't know if it's strictly necessary. I experimented just with water the other week and there's really nothing to it, it's piss easy to do. Because it goes straight into your blood stream the mescaline goes a lot further which is a good thing considering how much it cost me - about £40 ($60?) for a gram. It's almost doubly effective - I think 300mg should feel like about 500mg if I took it orally from what I've read.

Teamsesh, from your response I guess anal sex isn't your thing, either giving or receiving. That's perfectly alright. Personally I've always wondered what it feels like at least now I can go some way to answering that question..... :grin:


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    #22081860 - 08/12/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Nah not really my thing I like taking shits tho.
you know that early morning shit that good one.
man straight to the vain awesome but EyeV sounds better.
you are probably buying DIY mescaline.
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    #22081910 - 08/12/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I think 300mg is too much for a rectal dose. Read more info. I've read 50-150mg is enough. You can redose after 30 min. Also you must check ph of the solution otherwise it will corrode your anus. I bought ph testing papers for this purpose and this is as far as I got with the preparation so far. Hopefully one day I will finally try this.

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    #22082108 - 08/12/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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how far the cacti goes up your shit is on you just make shore to cut the spines  your ass hole is not a fucking digestive system 
im resounding to a fiucking joke>?
rectal cacti ? damn  talk about the struggle.
ectacy up the ass ive heard of but Christ man how far is to far for some.



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    #22082198 - 08/12/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Teamsesh, I'm talking about mescaline hcl which is a white powder, not dried cactus or anything. I don't know how it's extracted or whether it's made in the lab but it's just mescaline pure and simple.





Of course it's great if you have the real stuf, but I'm worried that when I get "a white powder" it'll be something like PCP laced with LSD, or whatever. It may just be a great trip, but might not actually be pure mescaline.

Can you somehow test for purity? That would be great!

For my first time I am getting 3x30cm of Matucana Peruvian torch, and will either do an extraction, or just make it into powder. Won't be taking it all at once of course :eek: I just like to have a small stash so I can experiment and reproduce the experience.

Also, doing it anally seems perfectly reasonable to me. Just get into a scientific mindset and shoot up. :grin:

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    #22082816 - 08/12/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Dr. Delban, okay 300mg might be a bit much for a first time dose, especially considering I'm quite skinny. I think the potency depends a lot on how well you've cleared your bowels. I was originally going to go for 250mg but I might go for less, not sure. I want to jump in at the deep end though. Reading this thread https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=3493 it looks like the ph is likely to be 7 and I've got some distilled water at ph7 to mix it with. I might split my dose into 2 to be on the safer side.

Hanz, I bought off the dark web so I can be pretty sure that it's mescaline. I don't have any information about test-kits I'm afraid.


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    #22083304 - 08/12/15 08:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've only had a small dose of pure mescaline before, but I've had San Pedro more times than I could say at this point. The best way to compare would be for you to read a lot of trip reports. Erowid.com is a great resource for this. If you plan to grow cactus, make sure you are getting a potent clone before you spend 10 years growing it. The vast majority of them out there are not very potent.


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Dr. Delban, okay 300mg might be a bit much for a first time dose, especially considering I'm quite skinny. I think the potency depends a lot on how well you've cleared your bowels. I was originally going to go for 250mg but I might go for less, not sure. I want to jump in at the deep end though. Reading this thread https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=3493 it looks like the ph is likely to be 7 and I've got some distilled water at ph7 to mix it with. I might split my dose into 2 to be on the safer side.

Hanz, I bought off the dark web so I can be pretty sure that it's mescaline. I don't have any information about test-kits I'm afraid.




Once you dissolve mesc in 7ph water it won't be at 7ph anymore. You will need to add calcium or something


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    #22083594 - 08/12/15 09:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ok, I might have to take your word for it unless I test it myself. Did you read the linked page though? The user Benzyme seems to say the salt by itself would be around ph 7 doesn't he/she? He's 'basing it off of past extraction procedures...and measurements taken by a pH meter'. The ph of straight mescaline is about 9 (ie. acidic) but that's without hydrochloride....


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    #22084725 - 08/13/15 03:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Ok, I might have to take your word for it unless I test it myself. Did you read the linked page though? The user Benzyme seems to say the salt by itself would be around ph 7 doesn't he/she? He's 'basing it off of past extraction procedures...and measurements taken by a pH meter'. The ph of straight mescaline is about 9 (ie. acidic) but that's without hydrochloride....




Hmm. I'm no expert on this, but simple chemistry says that a salt by itself has no pH. A particular solution of that salt has. I would expect that the more mescaline HCl you dissolve into the solution, the lower the pH will become, simply because the HCl is acidic and pushes the pH down (it works like that right?, more acidic=lower pH, so 9 is not acidic, everything below 7 is).

I read the thread on dmt-nexus, but don't think it is very clear on this. I'm not even sure it's correct. Seems best to really test for pH yourself, I know I certainly would. There are simple ways to get the pH back up from too acidic to neutral.

Also, I would research the actual pH of the anus and the intestine. 5 minutes of google says it's around 7.5, though it doesn't hurt to look better. So it seems 7.5 is what you would want your solution to be.

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    #22084931 - 08/13/15 05:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hanz, and Dr. Delban, you're right, a ph of over 7 is acidic so I was completely wrong yesterday. I'll have to decide what to do now.

Edit: I meant to say under 7.


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Hanz, and Dr. Delban, you're right, a ph of over 7 is acidic so I was completely wrong yesterday. I'll have to decide what to do now.




Now you confuse me :confused:, of course you mean to say that a ph of UNDER 7 is acidic, right? At least, that is what i said...


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That's ok, take it easy

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    #22086547 - 08/13/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Warm, earthy, extremely empathogenic & entactogenic, wholesome euphoria, crystal clarity of the mind, unparalleled connection to nature, deepening of colors, improved acuity of vision, very ancient feeling... It's incredible; one of favorites. IME it's not super visual, but the most I took was 353 mgs of mescaline HCL. Still a great dose; it's about the feelings & headspace more than the visuals really. The Native Americans call it first & foremost a medicine, and I agree.





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It's a good qualitative description of mescaline....in small doses.

On potent cacti, your mind definitely can feel like it's spinning faster than a centrifuge, flying apart, losing your mind, not knowing who you are, tunneling through a hyperspace of sorts behind closed eyes, everything so bowed and warped you can't see straight, neon bright glowing skies. See my sig, that was from 10 inches of bridgesii. Cacti is unpredictable, that 10 cacti trip annihilated any 15 inch bridgesii trip I've had

Mescaline in high amounts is harder to handle than DMT. At least with that you know it's over in 5 minutes..not 16 fucking hours




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You mean it tightens up your neck/back? I can't tell literalism over the net lol. It makes my heart almost wanna accelerate just remembering, lol. Blaze man have you had a "real" mescaline trip, ie one where the bridgesii..started to show it's true nature..the achuma? (same plant, different name for different trip intensities, just an idiosyncrasy of mine)

imho, I think it makes sense to call it a bridgesii trip, if the trip hasn't gotten intense enough for deep chaotic journey into the inner mind, and electric shocks permeating your body (or so the body high feels, lol). But when it does get to that point, then it's not a bridgesii trip, it's an ACHUMA trip!





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Ok, I might have to take your word for it unless I test it myself. Did you read the linked page though? The user Benzyme seems to say the salt by itself would be around ph 7 doesn't he/she? He's 'basing it off of past extraction procedures...and measurements taken by a pH meter'. The ph of straight mescaline is about 9 (ie. acidic) but that's without hydrochloride....




Hmm. I'm no expert on this, but simple chemistry says that a salt by itself has no pH. A particular solution of that salt has. I would expect that the more mescaline HCl you dissolve into the solution, the lower the pH will become, simply because the HCl is acidic and pushes the pH down (it works like that right?, more acidic=lower pH, so 9 is not acidic, everything below 7 is).

I read the thread on dmt-nexus, but don't think it is very clear on this. I'm not even sure it's correct. Seems best to really test for pH yourself, I know I certainly would. There are simple ways to get the pH back up from too acidic to neutral.

Also, I would research the actual pH of the anus and the intestine. 5 minutes of google says it's around 7.5, though it doesn't hurt to look better. So it seems 7.5 is what you would want your solution to be.

Love, Hanz.




Why not to measure your own anus' ph prior insertion? This would make sense.


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Ok, I might have to take your word for it unless I test it myself. Did you read the linked page though? The user Benzyme seems to say the salt by itself would be around ph 7 doesn't he/she? He's 'basing it off of past extraction procedures...and measurements taken by a pH meter'. The ph of straight mescaline is about 9 (ie. acidic) but that's without hydrochloride....




Hmm. I'm no expert on this, but simple chemistry says that a salt by itself has no pH. A particular solution of that salt has. I would expect that the more mescaline HCl you dissolve into the solution, the lower the pH will become, simply because the HCl is acidic and pushes the pH down (it works like that right?, more acidic=lower pH, so 9 is not acidic, everything below 7 is).

I read the thread on dmt-nexus, but don't think it is very clear on this. I'm not even sure it's correct. Seems best to really test for pH yourself, I know I certainly would. There are simple ways to get the pH back up from too acidic to neutral.

Also, I would research the actual pH of the anus and the intestine. 5 minutes of google says it's around 7.5, though it doesn't hurt to look better. So it seems 7.5 is what you would want your solution to be.

Love, Hanz.




Why not to measure your own anus' ph prior insertion? This would make sense.




It would make sense, wouldn't it? That's what I meant earlier when I said, get into a scientific mindset (....now looking for that particular smiley that inserts ph test in anus...damn, there is none..  :lol:)


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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: Hanz]
    #22087842 - 08/13/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Its said to be the easiest going Psychedelics out of shrooms/lsd/dmt/

one guy compared Mescaline/Cactus with the Alkaloids as your in a smooth BMW car, while shrooms your strapped to the front of a train going at full speed.


of course being in a really nice cozy car and going smoothly along enjoying the country side is nice, but being strapped on the front of a train going at full speed sounds EPIC.


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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: pineapple3]
    #22087887 - 08/13/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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pineapple3 said:
Its said to be the easiest going Psychedelics out of shrooms/lsd/dmt/

one guy compared Mescaline/Cactus with the Alkaloids as your in a smooth BMW car, while shrooms your strapped to the front of a train going at full speed.


of course being in a really nice cozy car and going smoothly along enjoying the country side is nice, but being strapped on the front of a train going at full speed sounds EPIC.




Nothing wrong with the full speed train, but definitely looking forward to that smooth BMW...


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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: Hanz] * 1
    #22087895 - 08/13/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Sometimes I like to drive the BMW to the train station and then board the train!


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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22087954 - 08/13/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That. And I imagine you could take the BMW with you on the train. Would probably spoil the smooth ride though.


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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: Hanz]
    #22089052 - 08/13/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Hanz said:
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Ok, I might have to take your word for it unless I test it myself. Did you read the linked page though? The user Benzyme seems to say the salt by itself would be around ph 7 doesn't he/she? He's 'basing it off of past extraction procedures...and measurements taken by a pH meter'. The ph of straight mescaline is about 9 (ie. acidic) but that's without hydrochloride....




Hmm. I'm no expert on this, but simple chemistry says that a salt by itself has no pH. A particular solution of that salt has. I would expect that the more mescaline HCl you dissolve into the solution, the lower the pH will become, simply because the HCl is acidic and pushes the pH down (it works like that right?, more acidic=lower pH, so 9 is not acidic, everything below 7 is).

I read the thread on dmt-nexus, but don't think it is very clear on this. I'm not even sure it's correct. Seems best to really test for pH yourself, I know I certainly would. There are simple ways to get the pH back up from too acidic to neutral.

Also, I would research the actual pH of the anus and the intestine. 5 minutes of google says it's around 7.5, though it doesn't hurt to look better. So it seems 7.5 is what you would want your solution to be.

Love, Hanz.




Why not to measure your own anus' ph prior insertion? This would make sense.




It would make sense, wouldn't it? That's what I meant earlier when I said, get into a scientific mindset (....now looking for that particular smiley that inserts ph test in anus...damn, there is none..  :lol:)




I'm always in a scientific mindset YO


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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: Hanz]
    #22089067 - 08/13/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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That. And I imagine you could take the BMW with you on the train. Would probably spoil the smooth ride though.




Have you guys ever seen these car transporting trains? They are loaded with BMW's. Get strapped to one of these.


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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: Dr. Delban]
    #22089446 - 08/13/15 10:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I took two of my 15G bags of mexicana truffles last night, it was storming, and a huge lighting bolt went off, shook the area, a guy i work with said he felt it shake his house 4 miles from where i was.

Don't think ill get to see it in lakes country..


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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: Dr. Delban]
    #22089754 - 08/14/15 12:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Dr. Delban said:
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Hanz said:
That. And I imagine you could take the BMW with you on the train. Would probably spoil the smooth ride though.




Have you guys ever seen these car transporting trains? They are loaded with BMW's. Get strapped to one of these.




Funny, that would be fun.


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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: LSDollar]
    #22089756 - 08/14/15 12:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I took two of my 15G bags of mexicana truffles last night, it was storming, and a huge lighting bolt went off, shook the area, a guy i work with said he felt it shake his house 4 miles from where i was.

Don't think ill get to see it in lakes country..




Mescaline? That said, the lightning bolt sounds dramatic.


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Re: Has anyone here ever tried mescaline? What is it like, and how does it compare to Psilocybin? [Re: Dr. Delban]
    #22089759 - 08/14/15 12:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Dr. Delban said:
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Hanz said:
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musicbandit said:
Ok, I might have to take your word for it unless I test it myself. Did you read the linked page though? The user Benzyme seems to say the salt by itself would be around ph 7 doesn't he/she? He's 'basing it off of past extraction procedures...and measurements taken by a pH meter'. The ph of straight mescaline is about 9 (ie. acidic) but that's without hydrochloride....




Hmm. I'm no expert on this, but simple chemistry says that a salt by itself has no pH. A particular solution of that salt has. I would expect that the more mescaline HCl you dissolve into the solution, the lower the pH will become, simply because the HCl is acidic and pushes the pH down (it works like that right?, more acidic=lower pH, so 9 is not acidic, everything below 7 is).

I read the thread on dmt-nexus, but don't think it is very clear on this. I'm not even sure it's correct. Seems best to really test for pH yourself, I know I certainly would. There are simple ways to get the pH back up from too acidic to neutral.

Also, I would research the actual pH of the anus and the intestine. 5 minutes of google says it's around 7.5, though it doesn't hurt to look better. So it seems 7.5 is what you would want your solution to be.

Love, Hanz.




Why not to measure your own anus' ph prior insertion? This would make sense.




You've got the ph strips.


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