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Inocuole
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A Shit Show Among a Sea of Endless Shit Shows 4
#22060943 - 08/07/15 10:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sorry but I'm just going to move this. Let's try again over here, shall we?:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22072628
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"Wait,"
"A coir tek, but why?", you might find yourself asking. "Don't we all already know how to do coir?", you continue to ponder aloud, with each question only giving rise to a myriad of others in a harmonized union of confusion and intrigue that leaves your heart racing. Luckily your suspense is not without reprieve!
Why yes, my fine friends, acquaintances, eager learners, and awkward relatives, we are most assuredly experiencing an abundance of similar information, and therein lies the problem.
If you started growing by learning coir then you probably learned the bucket tek. It's a good tek. It gets the job done and it's straightforward. But what the bucket tek isn't, is neither proper pasteurization nor proper sterilization. You probably think I'm going to start talking about how this tek is at least one of those. Well, what I'm actually going to do is ask, if many are willing to say fuck it and do the bucket, why stop the fuck it there?
This tek isn't unique. It's probably not proper anything. I'm posting it because it works with coir and because the monogamous relationship people have with their tried and true methods is about to get freaky deaky.
If you're adamant about being technical, this is closer to sterilization than pasteurization.
            
You'll need:
-650g brick of coir (or 650 grams of dry coir in any shape you can imagine, be creative) -Oven bags (mine appear to be for baking turkeys) -Vermiculite (~2 quarts) -Gypsum (optional) -You know, normal stuff? A stove and oven, pot to boil water? Maybe some towels or rags. -Fuck the list format, let's get to the point, clock's a tickin.
Do the thing:
Here's some options for you, do it however you want:
0.(optional) If you have a flathead screwdriver you can use it to wedge the brick into a few pieces which will help it hydrate more easily and evenly. Just less work later on.
1.a If you have a 5gal bucket, put your oven bag in there like it's a trash liner, then drop your brick inside 1.b If you don't have a bucket, and you do have a big metal sink, you can put the brick in the oven bag and put that in the empty sink. 1.c Don't have a sink? What is wrong with you? Put the bag with the brick in it in the bathtub. You have one of those right?
2. Dump in 2.5 quarts of verm, or however much you want, just try to stay between 1 and 4. I always eyeball it. You can always add more later, right out of the bag, if it seems too wet.
3. Boil 4.5 quarts of water, add 1/4 cup of gypsum(either pellets or powder) to the water while it's boiling, give it a quick stir so there's nothing stuck to the bottom, and pour it all directly into the bag, onto the coir/verm preferably. The bucket method has this the easiest, while the bathtub is probably the hardest(don't burn yourself). The oven bags come with ties, you want to get most of the hot air out, twist it up, and tie up the bag while it's still hot.
4. Now that you have a tied up bag full of hot ass water and substrate, take some hand towels or gloves and try to mix the bag up a little bit. The goal is just to eliminate those dry clumps of coir and get everything broken up and hydrated. This isn't really necessary but I feel like it helps everything work a bit better if you do. Release all the hot air and re-tie the bag before continuing.
5. Take a rack out of your oven if necessary, and lay the oven bag in there so that it's not touching any of the sides, just sitting on the rack in the middle.
6. Dial the oven to 200 and leave it for about 80 minutes. Turn the oven off and let it do a bit of its cooling in there, (another hour is good) then take it out and let it cool out on the counter or floor or wherever until you can handle it comfortably.
7. Dispense it out of the bag as needed, if you have leftovers, just close up the bag and use them when needed, since coir stores so well you can keep it that way for at least a week or two without there being a need to re-treat the coir. I generally put about 6 quarts of grain to each brick of coir. You know how it goes, mix it up evenly, get it nice and flat.
Now you's dids it!
The bags can usually be reused at least 3-4 times before they start to feel a little stiff/weak. The logic is that the coir is already hot from the boiling water, so the problem of the core temperature taking too long to reach in the oven becomes a non-issue when the substrate is already in range of the target temperature prior to treatment, and with it having been placed in an environment hotter than the target temperature, the possibility of insufficient heat treatment is not a concern. If anything over than CVG(Coir, Verm, Gypsum) is used for this it'll fail, but I find that it suits my needs perfectly and leaves no room for error.
     
Now, as you can see based on the reception here on the first page the fact that I had to recreate this thread, it may be necessary to include some disclaimers so as to prevent further... outbursts. I've already told you not to use this tek for anything but CVG, less than 3 sentences ago in fact, but I want to be real specific. If you use this with manure, straw, coffee, or pretty much anything else, it's going to trich the fuck out. Coir doesn't give a shit what you do to it, which is why I'm breaking conventions by using the oven in the first place. It likes being cooked. So I just cook it. Like it's food. Zing.
Have a nice day everybody. Be friends!
I'll have this updated with pictures by the next time that I actually do a batch, until then, just imagine real hard.
Edited by Inocuole (08/10/15 05:08 PM)
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Re: A Coir Tek Among a Sea of Endless Coir Teks [Re: Inocuole]
#22061056 - 08/07/15 11:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I run manure/straw, but will be trying this on my next batch of monos. Nice tek, Inoc.
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Edited by SteveRogers (08/08/15 09:21 AM)
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Re: A Coir Tek Among a Sea of Endless Coir Teks [Re: SteveRogers]
#22061085 - 08/07/15 11:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sure why not
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Inocuole
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It's just another one of those things to get people thinking outside their conventions, with enough context that a noob can follow it too. Not much else to write up currently. I figured somebody would eventually benefit. It'll probably come up if you search "coir tek" at least.
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Re: A Coir Tek Among a Sea of Endless Coir Teks [Re: Inocuole]
#22061104 - 08/07/15 11:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've had some coir sitting in a bucket in my room since April. I should try using it without re-treating it and see what happens. I bet it would work just fine.
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Inocuole
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I dunno man.. I wouldn't. But if you do and it works I wanna hear about it.
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Re: A Coir Tek Among a Sea of Endless Coir Teks [Re: Inocuole]
#22061127 - 08/07/15 11:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just for
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Quote:
wowimflabbergasted said: I've had some coir sitting in a bucket in my room since April. I should try using it without re-treating it and see what happens. I bet it would work just fine.
if it didn't' contam i'd say it's fine...i went over four months i believe it was
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Re: A Coir Tek Among a Sea of Endless Coir Teks [Re: Inocuole]
#22061384 - 08/08/15 02:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I approve this message.
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Re: A Coir Tek Among a Sea of Endless Coir Teks *DELETED* [Re: Buck513]
#22061796 - 08/08/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: A Coir Tek Among a Sea of Endless Coir Teks [Re: eatyualive]
#22061804 - 08/08/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think the key word there would be "shit".
decent write up inoc, I like step 0 myself. now wait for 10 pages on how to boil water
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Re: A Coir Tek Among a Sea of Endless Coir Teks *DELETED* [Re: spacechildo]
#22061818 - 08/08/15 08:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: A Coir Tek Among a Sea of Endless Coir Teks [Re: eatyualive]
#22061825 - 08/08/15 08:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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well the key word is still shit, coir doesnt give a shit about temperatures or what you may think of me
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#22061893 - 08/08/15 08:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: A Coir Tek Among a Sea of Endless Coir Teks [Re: bodhisatta]
#22061899 - 08/08/15 09:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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#22061905 - 08/08/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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#22061917 - 08/08/15 09:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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#22061951 - 08/08/15 09:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: A Coir Tek Among a Sea of Endless Coir Teks [Re: eatyualive]
#22061954 - 08/08/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Don't trust me I don't give a shit.
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Edited by Prisoner#1 (08/08/15 09:55 AM)
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