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Anonymous #1

help with opiate withdraw
    #22060225 - 08/07/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So I have been using morphine for about 1 year almost daily...but with a week off here and there...never more then 8 days before on again for another month or so. I'm so tired of it...I hate it...its ruined my bank account.myjob.my family. Anyways I'm on day 2 now..I usually don't have any problems coming off probably because I work out ALOT and have a decent diet. However I do struggle with Post acute withdrawal syndrome...meaning anxiety slight depression and extreme boredom.  I can deal with that...what I can't deal with is this CONSISTANT sneezing 20+ times a day...and stuffy nose that lasts like 10 days. The sneezing seems to last about a month if I recall. It gives me headaches...and neckaches. If I could stop the sneezing j would be home free. The only solution I have found is to just dehydrate myself ALOT which is unhealthy and drains you...I know this is because water levels are coming back up in my body. Just wondering if anyone else has suffered from chronic sneezing after opiate abuse


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Anonymous #2

Re: help with opiate withdraw [Re: Anonymous #1] * 1
    #22060264 - 08/07/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If that's the worst of your withdrawals count yourself lucky.


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Anonymous #3

Re: help with opiate withdraw [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #22061007 - 08/07/15 11:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #1 said:
Just wondering if anyone else has suffered from chronic sneezing after opiate abuse




Of course, always come in threes. Wish I could give you a magic bullet to heal, but its just about time. Eating/living healthy can certainly help.

I recommend kratom during the worst of your withdrawals, but it sounds like youre already past that.

Hang in there.


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Anonymous #4

Re: help with opiate withdraw [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #22061059 - 08/07/15 11:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Please don't dehydrate yourself anymore. If anything drink more of it. Helps to flush out the toxins.


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Anonymous #5

Re: help with opiate withdraw [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #22061588 - 08/08/15 05:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

1- Drink water and feed yourself well
2- Excersize (however mild, even a walk in the park)
3- Loperamide/immodium (even though I think you wouldn't need this, but it stops the shits and some of the aches)
4- Anti-histamines will possibly stop your sneezing
5- Things like sudafed will unblock your nose
6- Spend time doing things to keep your mind off opiates, read a book or something

I've been there, it's hard at first, but really, when you get used to it, it isn't so hard.

Just accept all the pain you are having as the price you have to pay for using :shrug:

Everything has a price / reprecussions. You aren't going to get off scot free after a year on morphine (my favorite opiate too) there is going to be some price to pay.

Like the saying 'don't do the crime if you can't do the time', but with opiates, 'don't do the drugs if you can't do the withdrawals' - not as catchy I know, but it makes it much easier mentally, adopting that attitude.

Good luck.


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Anonymous #6

Re: help with opiate withdraw [Re: Anonymous #5]
    #22061599 - 08/08/15 05:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

benadryl great for sleep when you are going through opiate WD and it treats the sneezing :thumbup:

one stop fix for you i should imagine

not sure how good for your body in reality though:shrug:


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Anonymous #7

Re: help with opiate withdraw [Re: Anonymous #5]
    #22061600 - 08/08/15 06:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm a methadone patient, and can't quit...

The withdrawal is 4-6 weeks with methadone rather than the 7 days of general opioid withdrawl...which means kratom and benzos are out of the question....I mean they can help if your getting bad, but if you take benzos or kratom for 4-6 weeks you will have to withdrawal from those compounds...

I made it through heroin withdrawal, it was not fun, but it was 10-billion Times easier than methadone withdrawal...

Is it possible to get ibogaine in the U.S.?


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Anonymous #8

Re: help with opiate withdraw [Re: Anonymous #7]
    #22061623 - 08/08/15 06:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

How long will PAWS last after 5 years of OC? Six months? Twelve?


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Anonymous #7

Re: help with opiate withdraw [Re: Anonymous #8]
    #22061754 - 08/08/15 07:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

1 week to 2 weeks withdrawal for traditional opioid, some heroin addicts take a bit longer, but it's nothing like the misery of a methadone withdrawal...


Methadone is a synthetic opioid receptor agonist, it takes 3 days to fully work as it builds in your soft tissue, 3 days for withdrawal to start as it leaves every soft tissue cell in your body, then you won't sleep for 6 weeks, all the while you feel restless, nausea, sweaty, running nose, body aches, vomiting, etc...

Heroin was easy enough (but don't get me wrong it was still hell), it was like I had a flu with deleriant psychological effects, but after 8 days I was near baseline...after 11 days 100% functional.

I went to jail for 5 days once, they wouldn't dose me my prescription methadose, I've been on this stuff 7 years, I went into seizures, didn't sleep for the whole 5 days, plus the intolerable agonizing pain...

Methadone is nothing like the traditional opioids, specially in regards to withdrawal, even if you kick by tapering the recidivism rate is around 88%....

Ibogaine is my last resort,since ibogaine is a delta and mu opioid agonist as well as a psychedelic, plus it's metabolites are opioids, so your receptors are full enough til you have kicked...I hear amazing stories about ibogaine freeing methadone patients.

The clinic is a scam, they don't want you to quit, it's in their interest to keep you hooked...(take this as a warning, unless it's life or death DO NOT get sucked into a methadone clinic)

It's the hardest drug I've ever tried to kick, and I've been addicted to meth and heroin before.

Any way, if I can get ibogaine without going out of the country it would do wonders.

For the OP, kratom extract and benzodiazepines got me through heroin fairly pain free.


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Anonymous #3

Re: help with opiate withdraw [Re: Anonymous #7]
    #22062200 - 08/08/15 10:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #7 said:
I'm a methadone patient, and can't quit...

The withdrawal is 4-6 weeks with methadone rather than the 7 days of general opioid withdrawl...which means kratom and benzos are out of the question....I mean they can help if your getting bad, but if you take benzos or kratom for 4-6 weeks you will have to withdrawal from those compounds...

I made it through heroin withdrawal, it was not fun, but it was 10-billion Times easier than methadone withdrawal...

Is it possible to get ibogaine in the U.S.?




you're completely missing the point. I would use kratom to withdraw from methadone for those 4 weeks, then you are atleast addicted to a far less addictive/harmful substance. Then when you come off the kratom it will be less painful/quicker. Kratom is just a good way to taper and get you off heavier opiates. Obviously I don't recommend that with benzos because of how addictive they are.


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Anonymous #9

Re: help with opiate withdraw [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #22070365 - 08/10/15 02:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Kratom.


Works great for opiate withdrawals.  I would withdraw badly after a binge with roxicodone.  Took some kratom and it brought the withdrawals down to a managable level.


Just don't make a habit of taking kratom every time you withdraw


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Anonymous #10

Re: help with opiate withdraw [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #22075128 - 08/11/15 07:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome happens long after the initial withdrawals are over.  In the realm of months to a year.

With 2-5 days clean your dopamine receptors are still downregulated and anxiety+depression will reign your life for a short while.  That's just the way it is.  But at the same time it sounds like you just don't know how to be sober and you've conditioned yourself to use any time you experience boredom.  Now when you're bored and you want to use, it makes you anxious when you try not to because your brain wants what it wants, and is used to getting what it wants.  This is its way of doing everything it can to get what it wants.  Unfortunately it's easy to condition your brain to want something instantly gratifying, yet very hard to condition it to NOT.

All you really need is time.  If you've stayed clean since writing this, you should be on the up and up already.  If you can't seem to get out of this cycle that you're in though, I also suggest trying kratom for the anxiety/depression, cravings, and slight w/d symptoms you have.  It makes a world of difference.

Good luck to you.


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Anonymous #8

Re: help with opiate withdraw [Re: Anonymous #10]
    #22075150 - 08/11/15 07:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

6 years of 150-600mg oxycodone is going to be a year of PAWS huh?


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Anonymous #10

Re: help with opiate withdraw [Re: Anonymous #8]
    #22075169 - 08/11/15 07:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's impossible to say honestly.  You might not even get it.  How long have you been clean at this point?

My post was implying that PAWS usually doesn't even begin to make itself known until several months to a year of abstinence though.  After that long, it's workable.  You have that long to cultivate a life for yourself that you love.  A life which you can use to battle the PAWS, IF it even comes.

I'd focus on getting through the acute withdrawals, and the first several months of cravings before I even worried about PAWS at all.  One thing at a time.


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