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Hygrometer reads 99% but no condensation?? w/pic
    #22059436 - 08/07/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I have a PF Tek setup with an ultrasonic humidifier and a fogger hooked up to a humidistat controller which is, by all accounts, accurate to within 3/10 of a percent. The humidistat reads at 99% and only has to kick on every hour or so for about 30 seconds. I have had descent flushes with this setup and some cakes are still going and on their fourth flush (albeit only producing probably a couple grams dry at most now) and no contams (I am OCD:crazy2:). The attempt has seemed pretty successful to me, although I am a noob.

My question has to do with the fact that although my humidistat reads 99% there is almost never any condensation on the walls or top of the terrarium. Is it possible to achieve 99% and have no condensation?? I had about 3" of perlite in the terrarium the first couple of flushes before I decided to take the perlite out for the sake of experimenting with only the humidifiers (which I relied on for FAE as well, when I couldn't be home). Didn't seem like any negative effects except for small flushes but I just chalked that up to the fact they were on their third flush.

Also, I had the ultrasonic on a 30 min on/off timer so it would run frequently enough to force co2 out. Since it wasn't seeming to help to actually humidify very well, I figured I could use it to at least force stale air out and the fogger would replace the humidity.

Any advice/experience/opinions would be greatly appreciated as the awesome advice I receive here always is!! :takingnotes: 

I am going with Damion5050 coir tek next to get better yields and take the next step. I have read to no end about bulk teks, substrates, casing v. not casing, additives, etc, etc, and I feel ready to do some hands on trial and error learning now!:evil:

p.s. I know there is a thread similar to this already, but it never fully addressed the "can it be 99% with no condensation" part of it.



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Re: Hygrometer reads 99% but no condensation?? w/pic [Re: G8rbates 02]
    #22059459 - 08/07/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Condensation is causes by a temperature differential between the inside and outside of the walls.


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Re: Hygrometer reads 99% but no condensation?? w/pic [Re: G8rbates 02]
    #22059482 - 08/07/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Condensation is causes by a temperature differential between the inside and outside of the walls.



This.

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:facepalm3::facepalm:

What compelled you to spend all that money and effort on such a setup?
You could achieve superior results by continuing to drill hole like you have in a grid pattern every 2" and then adding 5" of perlite to the bottom.


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Re: Hygrometer reads 99% but no condensation?? w/pic [Re: SteveRogers]
    #22059523 - 08/07/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Well, I realize that more now, but this was my first attempt at any cultivation and basically over thought it. The more I get into this hobby and the more I read the more I see the phrase "don't over think it"... now I know what that means:tongue2:


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Re: Hygrometer reads 99% but no condensation?? w/pic [Re: G8rbates 02]
    #22059550 - 08/07/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

To answer your question though, the lack of condensation on the wall is irrelevant. FAE is far far more important than constant high humidity. I n fact evaporation off the substrate is the biggest pinning trigger, so that is impossible when it is in a constant moisture saturated environment with low FAE.


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Re: Hygrometer reads 99% but no condensation?? w/pic [Re: G8rbates 02]
    #22059555 - 08/07/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I can guarantee it isn't 99% humid in there. A hygrometer should only be reading 99% in a still box with no fae, just internal air circulation swirling with so much water until the air is so saturated it can't take in anymore water. Then the air gets still again. That is 99% humidity.

Realistically when a hygrometer says 99% and it isn't in a container like that, it means that the air is saturated with more water molecules than what can be counted by the device. It means it's too low quality, or needs to be calibrated. Realistically I think you should ditch that chamber and hygrometer altogether, and do it right.

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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542
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Re: Hygrometer reads 99% but no condensation?? w/pic [Re: G8rbates 02]
    #22059559 - 08/07/15 05:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:thumbup: to realizing It Now atleast.

I was in such a rush and on my phone that I totally skimmed a bit and didn't click the photo link and didnt actually see the whole fc set up just the tiny thumbnail on my phone...

EDIT:Exactly wat Mad just said above:super:


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Re: Hygrometer reads 99% but no condensation?? w/pic [Re: mushmagic]
    #22059636 - 08/07/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Got it. Thanks!

I initially set it up this way with the intentions of making it a totally automated fc because I work long days and can't fan/mist as much as I need to. Would you guys have any suggestions on how to tend to the fc if I am only home for a few hours (other than sleeping) to fan/mist?


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Re: Hygrometer reads 99% but no condensation?? w/pic [Re: G8rbates 02]
    #22059667 - 08/07/15 05:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah you don't want a constant 99% humidity plus a lot of people think their meter reads 99 because they have the meter resting on or very close to the perlite. In nature its never that high. Misting and fanning , fae and evaporation is the most important. Happy growing:)


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Re: Hygrometer reads 99% but no condensation?? w/pic [Re: G8rbates 02]
    #22059702 - 08/07/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Got it. Thanks!

I initially set it up this way with the intentions of making it a totally automated fc because I work long days and can't fan/mist as much as I need to. Would you guys have any suggestions on how to tend to the fc if I am only home for a few hours (other than sleeping) to fan/mist?



With a properly made SGFC it will be fine. Mist and fan before and after work. Collect mushrooms. Then :awedrugs::winning::patlal:PARTY!


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Re: Hygrometer reads 99% but no condensation?? w/pic [Re: inked4life]
    #22059731 - 08/07/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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With a properly made SGFC it will be fine. Mist and fan before and after work. Collect mushrooms. Then :awedrugs::winning::patlal:PARTY!



LOL Nice!

Not that I am questioning methods that are obviously very proven and practiced by experts far more qualified than me, but just out of curiosity, why would an air pump and humidifier set up not work well if one supplies fae and the other supplies humidity? I know the answer is probably something that has never crossed my mind yet, but it would only better serve my learning to know what the faults with that setup would be.:takingnotes:


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Re: Hygrometer reads 99% but no condensation?? w/pic [Re: G8rbates 02]
    #22059775 - 08/07/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's possible, and has been done. It takes a good grower though to dial in setups like that. They're generally used in larger scale, like a green house. As a beginner how do you honestly expect to know what they want? Construct a chamber you know will work, and will provide them what they need, and once you get experience and a good feel at them, then make an automated chamber. Gotta walk before you run man.


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Re: Hygrometer reads 99% but no condensation?? w/pic [Re: G8rbates 02]
    #22059786 - 08/07/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

*edit
MadSeason beat me to it and almost typed my exact response hahaha

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just out of curiosity, why would an air pump and humidifier set up not work well if one supplies fae and the other supplies humidity?




It can work. People run GH/Marthas here all the time with great success. They are difficult to dial in properly and not designed to operate in a small container like that with cakes. You want many air exchanges per hour and getting that along with the humidifier to work in a beginners situation is very difficult.
The SGFC does all the hard work for you.


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Re: Hygrometer reads 99% but no condensation?? w/pic [Re: Mad Season]
    #22059827 - 08/07/15 05:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I understand. Although it may have just been blind luck I was getting 8+ grams per flush on a couple of cakes. From what I have been reading that seems pretty good, but then again I am a noob so not sure. I studied general info about cubes for weeks before attempting because I didn't want to fail on my first attempt and, like I said before, I am OCD. I felt like I had a descent grasp on it all but there is no learning like trial and error and hands on practice. I definitely understand now that I could have achieved similar results, if not better, with a much smaller investment but I guess that's the way we learn :grin:


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Re: Hygrometer reads 99% but no condensation?? w/pic [Re: G8rbates 02]
    #22060017 - 08/07/15 06:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Condensation only forms when the inside surface of the chamber is enough cooler than the inside air to raise the RH of the air near the surface past it's saturation point. There are a few things that affect it:

RH in the chamber - The higher it is the less temperature difference is required for formation of condensation
Material and thickness of the chamber wall - More insulation makes the inside surface closer to the temperature of the inside air
Air holes - Brings the temperature of inside air closer to the temperature of the outside air
Amount of substrate in the chamber - Increases temperature of inside air


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Re: Hygrometer reads 99% but no condensation?? w/pic [Re: Kizzle]
    #22060271 - 08/07/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks all! Great info!

I have 20lb of WBS colonizing at the moment (lbs instead of quarts bc I bought it online and for some dumb reason it was measured in weight as opposed to quarts, so I am stuck estimating for my ratios). Going with the monotub and damion5050 coir tek as my next project. Haven't decided on any additives, but if I do it will probably just be a small amount of oyster shell on the top layer used to cover the colonized grain (not the casing layer, I am not going to case it unless I can't achieve optimum humidity levels, but I feel confident I will). Excited!:eek:

Also have 5 pf classic brf jars about 2 days away from full colonization. I think I will do 4 in the setup I have now since it seemed to be pretty successful and since I already wasted the $$ (or until my luck runs out with it). I am going to experiment with the last jar used in a mini monotub tek and more brf/verm as my substrate (since I have 3 uncolonized jars left and thought it might be a good way to use the last of them bc I will prob only do bulk from now on). Not sure if it works this way... figured it would be good practice spawning to bulk before I do the 64qt monotubs. Feel free to call me an over ambitious noob if this is an experiment destined to fail:tongue:. I will try my hand at a grow log with pics for these projects to maybe contribute in some way and share my failures:thumbdown:/successes:thumbup:.


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Re: Hygrometer reads 99% but no condensation?? w/pic [Re: G8rbates 02]
    #22060661 - 08/07/15 09:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Haven't decided on any additives, but if I do it will probably just be a small amount of oyster shell on the top layer used to cover the colonized grain (not the casing layer, I am not going to case it unless I can't achieve optimum humidity levels, but I feel confident I will). Excited!:eek:



Don't use oyster shell as a pseudo-casing (top) layer, it could be a contam vector and mycelium will have a tough time eating through that. Just use leftover coir/verm and sprinkle that evenly over the surface if your worried about exposed grains. :thumbup:


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Re: Hygrometer reads 99% but no condensation?? w/pic [Re: G8rbates 02]
    #22060693 - 08/07/15 09:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

ya, where are you reading oyster shell should be sprinkled on top? coir/verm(lot of debate about whther to call this a casing layer), jiffy mix, peat/verm, straight verm are all better options. or even just spawn to bulk and don't case at all.


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Re: Hygrometer reads 99% but no condensation?? w/pic [Re: SteveRogers]
    #22061284 - 08/08/15 12:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

He's probably thinking for a PH buffer I'm assuming that wouldn't work for our purpose due to the fact that it's a long term buffer which would be better suited for plants.


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Re: Hygrometer reads 99% but no condensation?? w/pic [Re: mushmagic]
    #22061295 - 08/08/15 01:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It'd be fine to use oyster shells for adjusting pH to 8.5ish. Anything calcium carbonate (for pH raising) works. I've even been playing around with egg shells too since they are also calcium carbonate


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