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Mucana Pruriens
#22057558 - 08/07/15 10:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Anyone have experience with this herb? I am considering trying it to get some more dopamine and want to hear what you guys think about this stuff. I just started my research on it now.
Discuss.
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SteveRogers
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Mucana Pruriens does not actually increase dopamine. L-Dopa, the Parkinson's drug does and it has severe long term side effects.
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Re:want to spend money on bs [Re: SteveRogers]
#22059703 - 08/07/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Careful with that stuff. It's ok to take intermittently but long term use can lead to dementia. I learned the hard way by taking it for a few weeks on end. I knew something wasn't quite right but I couldn't put my finger on it. I came across an article pointing out it's short and long term effects when I realized what I was doing. I haven't touched it since. I would say it took a week or two before I started to feel normal again.
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Re:want to spend money on bs [Re: SteveRogers]
#22059716 - 08/07/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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SteveRogers said: Mucana Pruriens does not actually increase dopamine. L-Dopa, the Parkinson's drug does and it has severe long term side effects.
But doesn't Mucuna pruriens contain L-DOPA?
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Re:want to spend money on bs [Re: psi]
#22059723 - 08/07/15 05:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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There is an enormous difference from the naturally occuring alkaloids in that vs. injected pharmaceutical l-dopa. The later has permanent long term side effects and the former does little if anything at all in controlled studies.
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Re:want to spend money on bs [Re: SteveRogers]
#22059747 - 08/07/15 05:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Routes of administration aside, it does contain L-DOPA. You made it sound like it doesn't.
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Re:want to spend money on bs [Re: psi]
#22059765 - 08/07/15 05:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Won't cross the blood brain barrier mang.
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Re:want to spend money on bs [Re: SteveRogers]
#22059826 - 08/07/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'd be interested to see any links you have on that, but it definitely does contain L-DOPA.
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Re:want to spend money on bs [Re: SteveRogers]
#22059829 - 08/07/15 05:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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SteveRogers said: Won't cross the blood brain barrier mang.
not true, mang. L-DOPA does cross the BBB, although it does have a lower oral bioavailability than it does IV
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Re:want to spend money on bs [Re: Adolin]
#22059866 - 08/07/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nope. not from Macuna.
Do some research, mang.
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Re:want to spend money on bs [Re: SteveRogers]
#22059882 - 08/07/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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OP can waste his money. He will not achieve the effect he is looking for with Macuna.
I am not having this argument here. pointless
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Re:want to spend money on bs [Re: SteveRogers]
#22059886 - 08/07/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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OK then, good talk.
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Re:want to spend money on bs [Re: SteveRogers]
#22059889 - 08/07/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mucuna Puriens contains the same L-3,4-dihydroxyphenylalanine (L-DOPA) that the medication has.
it might not have Carbidopa (which inhibits the metabolism of L-DOPA), but the L DOPA is the same.
i think you should explain the difference exactly, if you seriously think you're more accurate than a thousand GCMS tests
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Re:want to spend money on bs [Re: Adolin]
#22059907 - 08/07/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's an ROA thing. I never said it didn't contain L-Dopa. OP wants to raise his Dopamine levels. Macuna will not do this in any measurable amount for him. A potent extract, maybe, but oral administration is not going to do anything from what he is proposing (raw material). Thats all I am saying.
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Re:want to spend money on bs [Re: SteveRogers]
#22059927 - 08/07/15 06:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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SteveRogers said: It's an ROA thing. I never said it didn't contain L-Dopa. OP wants to raise his Dopamine levels. Macuna will not do this in any measurable amount for him. A potent extract, maybe, but oral administration is not going to do anything from what he is proposing (raw material). Thats all I am saying.
again, i dont think you have a fucking clue what your talking about.
if what you are saying is true, why do hundreds of thousands/millions of parkinsons patients take Parcopa? or Sinemet? in case you didnt know, parcopa/sinemet is a PILL containing Levo/Carbidopa. and it isnt the only brand that makes an oral preperation of L DOPA
EDIT: after some further looking into, i see that you're probably right. the only reason L-DOPA works orally in those preperations of because the carbidopa prevents it from breaking down before it reaches the brain.
still, L-DOPA definately does cross the BBB. and some of it probably still gets there with mucuna. just not much
Edited by Adolin (08/07/15 06:22 PM)
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Re:want to spend money on bs [Re: SteveRogers]
#22059930 - 08/07/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Strange stuff imo 
I have some laying around that I take sporadically.
Lots of dangerous interactions with other drugs and strange side effects
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Re:want to spend money on bs [Re: Adolin]
#22059939 - 08/07/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Does carbidopa occur naturally in anything or is it just synthetic? I can't find anything on this. Apparently it potentiates 5-HTP as well.
The WP article on carbidopa claims you need about 4x as much L-DOPA to get the same effect without carbidopa.
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Carbidopa reduces the amount of levodopa required to produce a given response by about 75%
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Re:want to spend money on bs [Re: psi]
#22060604 - 08/07/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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What about adrafinil? I am looking for something to boost my concerta for school.
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if youre already on mythylphenidate that should be all you need.
adding adrafinil sounds risky, maybe somewhater dangerous. but yes, modafinil/adrafinil will boost dopamine and serotonin in the nucleus accumbens and potentiate DRI's/amphetamines
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Re:Macuna Pruriens [Re: psi]
#22060632 - 08/07/15 09:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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gresh/psi For the record, I apologize for coming off like a prick earlier. I think we were just misunderstanding each other on semantics. I work with Parkinson's patients in a volunteer medial center here in Chicago. The pharmaceutical L-Dopa/Carbidopa preparations work very very well. The oral less than the injectables, but they both serve a purpose. The issue is that cessation of treatment has very bad and often permanent side effects where the patient struggles to endogenously produce Dopamine again.
My point about raw Macuna Pruriens plant material, was that it won't get the OP to where he is trying to go without extracting/concentrating. Even if he were to sufficiently concentrate it, L-Dopa is not a joke and I was trying to steer him away from it if I could.
I respect the fact that you guys actually did some research and had it out with me using facts. That is a lot more than can be said for most of these guys.
Good looking out.
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Re:want to spend money on bs [Re: SteveRogers]
#22060668 - 08/07/15 09:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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you didnt come off as a prick, at least not to me. its easy to get caught up in a conversation when you think someone is just wrong, even if they arent. seems like in general your right, the carbadopa is essential to using L DOPA effectively, and its not found in M.P.
Edited by Adolin (08/07/15 09:27 PM)
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Re:want to spend money on bs [Re: Adolin]
#22060679 - 08/07/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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What about modafinil or adrafinl or however you spell it? Which is better between the two? Are they a better solution for short term stimulation over l-dopa?
Sorry I haven't done much research yet.
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Re:want to spend money on bs [Re: SteveRogers]
#22060684 - 08/07/15 09:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Cool man, yeah it was the carbidopa part that was the missing piece of the puzzle for me. Kind of like the DMT/MAOI relationship it sounds like.
My readings on this species were limited to just the presence of the compound, never really looked into its use in treatment too closely. I had this pipe dream of possible biosynthetic routes to MDA/MDMA like compounds with L-DOPA as a starting point.
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Bitter Cactus said: What about modafinil or adrafinl or however you spell it? Which is better between the two? Are they a better solution for short term stimulation over l-dopa?
Sorry I haven't done much research yet.
you should do more research before you take drugs you dont know about.
if you really want to learn about modafinil, and related chems like adrafinil/armodafinil, this is the best place.
all of the blue highlighted words, are links to sources : http://www.modafinil.com/
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Re:want to spend money on bs [Re: Adolin]
#22060699 - 08/07/15 09:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Gresh said:
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Bitter Cactus said: What about modafinil or adrafinl or however you spell it? Which is better between the two? Are they a better solution for short term stimulation over l-dopa?
Sorry I haven't done much research yet.
you should do more research before you take drugs you dont know about.
if you really want to learn about modafinil, and related chems like adrafinil/armodafinil, this is the best place.
all of the blue highlighted words, are links to sources : http://www.modafinil.com/
I will do some research, I just want to hear what you guys think of modafinil off the top of your head.
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i tried Nuvigil(Armodafinil) 150 mg 5 or 6 times, it honestly felt like a 30-40mg dose of adderal XR. but i was also using xanax/etizolam pretty liberally and sold more of it than i used. i could take 50mgs of etizolam, on top of beers and weed, and not even come close to blacking out.
people seemed to like it, even though they knew it wasnt legit speed. i told em what it was and they trusted me 
some people claim these 'eugoric' drugs arent stimulants. i think thats all they are tbh, just with a different mechanism of action
Edited by Adolin (08/07/15 09:43 PM)
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