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Sitting in lemon juice 2 days . Are they still okay ? * 1
    #22057543 - 08/07/15 09:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hi all quick trip question from the day, title explains it .

I had some gold caps left and had them soaking in lemon, i fell asleep and they stayed overnight in just lemon juice, the next day i drank the lemon, I had the same  chopped shrooms left in the cup so i added more lemon juice (no water used) and it sat overnight again. These photos from this morning.




Are these still okay to eat?  How can I tell they didn't go bad?
Is potency affected ?




Thank you kindly for any help :smile:


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Re: Sitting in lemon juice 2 days . Are they still okay ? [Re: navarone89] * 1
    #22057620 - 08/07/15 10:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

They might be too degraded at this point, also the color of your mushrooms looks a little of.

Are you sure those are cubes? Haven't seen lemon juice bleach actives to that type of pigment before.


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Re: Sitting in lemon juice 2 days . Are they still okay ? [Re: Yukon Cornelius] * 1
    #22057779 - 08/07/15 10:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

you should be fine lemon juice should preserve somewhat.

the ascorbic acid stops oxidation of actives from happening.

its only a day they are fine:thumbup:

the acid would have extracted actives into the liquid from the mushrooms too so if you did with full dose it will hit fast as you dont need the mush to breakdown inside you to get the actives.:smile:


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Re: Sitting in lemon juice 2 days . Are they still okay ? [Re: Yukon Cornelius] * 1
    #22057799 - 08/07/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Yukon Cornelius said:
They might be too degraded at this point, also the color of your mushrooms looks a little of.

Are you sure those are cubes? Haven't seen lemon juice bleach actives to that type of pigment before.





To be honest I'm not sure. But I did trip pretty hard the first time same batch.

It's weird because two days ago I had them in lemon juice also but they turned Blue. I'm not sure if that's because I added some water instead of complete lemon.
Maybe lemon preserves color?

I have a photo of the original.






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Re: Sitting in lemon juice 2 days . Are they still okay ? [Re: mustangbob3] * 1
    #22057806 - 08/07/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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you should be fine lemon juice should preserve somewhat.

the ascorbic acid stops oxidation of actives from happening.

its only a day they are fine:thumbup:

the acid would have extracted actives into the liquid from the mushrooms too so if you did with full dose it will hit fast as you dont need the mush to breakdown inside you to get the actives.:smile:





thoughts so. I did change the lemon juice so two nights out. Also had AC on one whole night so im sure that helped preserve the shrooms


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Re: Sitting in lemon juice 2 days . Are they still okay ? [Re: navarone89] * 1
    #22057811 - 08/07/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

if you added water thats why that batch turned blue.

less ascorbic acid( anti oxidant)

it works with fruit too (stopping it going brown, use for fruit salads)

in your case with mushrooms namely cubes, lemon on its own will stop/limit loss of actives from oxidation!!
by stopping oxidation.( the blueing is oxidation and is loss of actives)

even 2 days is fine really in lemon no blueing on oxidation


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Re: Sitting in lemon juice 2 days . Are they still okay ? [Re: mustangbob3] * 1
    #22057906 - 08/07/15 10:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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if you added water thats why that batch turned blue.

less ascorbic acid( anti oxidant)

it works with fruit too (stopping it going brown, use for fruit salads)

in your case with mushrooms namely cubes, lemon on its own will stop/limit loss of actives from oxidation!!
by stopping oxidation.( the blueing is oxidation and is loss of actives)

even 2 days is fine really in lemon no blueing on oxidation




You're right about ascorbic acid preventing oxidation but incorrect about lemon juice being a stable medium to preserve mushrooms in.

Citric acid will degrade psilocybin over time, and aqueous solutions of psilocybin are inherently unstable. Lemon tek helps degrade some of the psilocybin to psilocin over a short period of time to produce a faster onset but will destroy it over a few days.

If OP sampled these beforehand and they work then he is good to go with ingesting it. No signs of bacterial or any other type of fungal contamination. However it might not work or will be underwhelming, safe to experiment and find out.


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Re: Sitting in lemon juice 2 days . Are they still okay ? [Re: navarone89] * 1
    #22057924 - 08/07/15 10:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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thoughts so. I did change the lemon juice so two nights out. Also had AC on one whole night so im sure that helped preserve the shrooms




This also leads me to believe that they have had quite a lot of the actives leeched out.


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Re: Sitting in lemon juice 2 days . Are they still okay ? [Re: Yukon Cornelius] * 1
    #22057955 - 08/07/15 10:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i wasnt on about long term storage i said 1 or 2 days:laugh2:

i said:
Quote:

you should be fine lemon juice should preserve somewhat.

the ascorbic acid stops oxidation of actives from happening.

its only a day they are fine:thumbup:

the acid would have extracted actives into the liquid from the mushrooms too so if you did with full dose it will hit fast as you dont need the mush to breakdown inside you to get the actives.:smile:




Quote:

This also leads me to believe that they have had quite a lot of the actives leeched out.




and yes they will have leeched out like i said:laugh2:

and whats the problem with that?

consume the lemon juice and it will hit faster than the mushrooms would have anyway!!

im not sure of your point?


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Re: Sitting in lemon juice 2 days . Are they still okay ? [Re: mustangbob3] * 1
    #22057987 - 08/07/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

correct me if I'm wrong but won't light have an effect on potency?

OP, that doesn't look like a full dose? art thou microdosing?


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Re: Sitting in lemon juice 2 days . Are they still okay ? [Re: mustangbob3] * 1
    #22058004 - 08/07/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ok Mr. Funny, he said he changed the lemon juice implying he threw it out. If he meant that he set it aside he would have said collected or something to that effect.

Notice how I said a few days also? He said two days, falls under my suggested time frame.

My point should be pretty obvious, it either lost some of it's potency or isn't active at all.

Not encouraging him to throw it out just stating my observations. :shrug:


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Re: Sitting in lemon juice 2 days . Are they still okay ? [Re: Yukon Cornelius] * 1
    #22058044 - 08/07/15 11:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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tryptkaloids said:
correct me if I'm wrong but won't light have an effect on potency?

OP, that doesn't look like a full dose? art thou microdosing?




yeah best in dark if you really want to save the most lol


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Ok Mr. Funny, he said he changed the lemon juice implying he threw it out. If he meant that he set it aside he would have said collected or something to that effect.

Notice how I said a few days also? He said two days, falls under my suggested time frame.

My point should be pretty obvious, it either lost some of it's potency or isn't active at all.

Not encouraging him to throw it out just stating my observations. :shrug:





i dont think he threw any out, i think it was consumed:thumbup:

and yes if he left the same shrooms and extracted twice then the second batch will be bunk i give you that :thumbup:

and i was unaware citric acid destroys actives:thumbup:
thanks for the info:)

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Re: Sitting in lemon juice 2 days . Are they still okay ? [Re: Yukon Cornelius] * 1
    #22058049 - 08/07/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Yukon Cornelius said:
Ok Mr. Funny, he said he changed the lemon juice implying he threw it out. If he meant that he set it aside he would have said collected or something to that effect.

Notice how I said a few days also? He said two days, falls under my suggested time frame.

My point should be pretty obvious, it either lost some of it's potency or isn't active at all.

Not encouraging him to throw it out just stating my observations. :shrug:




woa guys, you both agree with each other so why is it so heated in here? misunderstanding blows


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Re: Sitting in lemon juice 2 days . Are they still okay ? [Re: tryptkaloids] * 1
    #22058076 - 08/07/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I don't agree with him entirely, I don't think OP consumed the lemon juice like this guys assumes he did.

I just think his reading comprehension isn't that great, I stated my doubts and he shrugged them off as if I had no point.

We have reached an understanding, it's irrelevant now. Either way we gave him the same advice to go ahead and try it.


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Re: Sitting in lemon juice 2 days . Are they still okay ? [Re: Yukon Cornelius] * 1
    #22058127 - 08/07/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't agree with him entirely, I don't think OP consumed the lemon juice like this guys assumes he did.

I just think his reading comprehension isn't that great, I stated my doubts and he shrugged them off as if I had no point.

It's irrelevant now, either way we gave him the same advice to go ahead and try it.




i only assumed it was consumed the same way you assume he threw it out lol

and i didnt shrug off your points and even thanked you for the info as i learned something! (but still i dont think it works like you think i will explain in a min.)

cant be right all the time and no shame in that thats why i graciously thanked you :smile:

here i said-


Quote:

and i was unaware citric acid destroys actives:thumbup:
thanks for the info:)

:skol:




and no need to resort to argumentum ad hominem attacks.
but yes i could use some work on grammar and comprehension your right

and he did actually say in op that he drank the lemon juice and if thats not consumption then i dont know what is-

Quote:

I had some gold caps left and had them soaking in lemon, i fell asleep and they stayed overnight in just lemon juice, the next day i drank the lemon,




and based on past info i would say he consumed the second lot too!
not really an assumption an educated guess

so your reading comprehension could use brushing up too!

never mind the fact that part of his question was also about if they went bad!
and no in 1 or 2 days preserved in lemon they wont go bad and also the lemon stops oxidation to some extent.

and i will read up on citric and how much it will destroy actives over time to see how relevant the 1 or 2 day time period is for effects on potency!
again i thank you for the heads up!

and you said:

Quote:

Citric acid will degrade psilocybin over time, and aqueous solutions of psilocybin are inherently unstable. Lemon tek helps degrade some of the psilocybin to psilocin over a short period of time to produce a faster onset but will destroy it over a few days.




and while im learning you can too!


Quote:

"The high level of acidity (lemon juice) converts psilocybin to psilocin" This is an incorrect statement. Dephosphorylation  of 4podmt>>4ho dmt requires and enzyme located in the body to convert. Most likely the reason psilocybin will stabilize in liquid for quite some time.
Its creating psilocybin citrate which is more soluble in water imo and creates and ideal platform for which the drug is administered. Moved over to liquid the body converts and accepts it much quicker as if you were taking a purified drug.





https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21805446#21805446

and the faster come up is because you dont have to digest/extract the actives from the mushroom!! not from degraded actives


see how that works?
:smile:

but anyway people in glass houses and all that

chill out mate:thumbup:

:skol:

sorry OP for the drama:ashamed:


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Re: Sitting in lemon juice 2 days . Are they still okay ? [Re: mustangbob3] * 1
    #22058352 - 08/07/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Just to clear up any confusion, the first lemon juice WAS ingested yesterday morning and added more lemon but I didn't consume the fruit itself so i left it in the cup so i added more lemon juice thinking it would preserve it for me to eat them later in the night  but ended up passing out so this morning instead of throwing them out I thought I'd eat them so it would kick more than just drinking it like yesterday. 

I don't mind the microdose if it is, I just didn't want to eat it and be  :puke:  :puke:


rather be underwhelmed then ingesting something contaminated.


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Re: Sitting in lemon juice 2 days . Are they still okay ? [Re: navarone89] * 1
    #22058465 - 08/07/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

no you will be fine, it will have preserved the freshness just like it does with fruit in fruit salad:thumbup:

but will have little actives if you extracted already:thumbup:


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Re: Sitting in lemon juice 2 days . Are they still okay ? [Re: mustangbob3] * 1
    #22058536 - 08/07/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Sorry I came off as an ass, my own understanding was flawed from the start.

Thanks for putting up with my negativity. :cheers:


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Re: Sitting in lemon juice 2 days . Are they still okay ? [Re: Yukon Cornelius] * 1
    #22058586 - 08/07/15 12:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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mustangbob3 said:
no you will be fine, it will have preserved the freshness just like it does with fruit in fruit salad:thumbup:

but will have little actives if you extracted already:thumbup:



Quote:

Yukon Cornelius said:
Sorry I came off as an ass, my own understanding was flawed from the start.

Thanks for putting up with my negativity. :cheers:





Thank you both for the great info!

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Re: Sitting in lemon juice 2 days . Are they still okay ? [Re: navarone89] * 1
    #22058647 - 08/07/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

no worrys

sorry if i came off an ass

yukon..... navarone... both of you...

:skol: we all learn together

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