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InvisibleBill_Oreilly
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Damn this is so frustrating...dmt extraction
    #22056923 - 08/07/15 07:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So ive been using 75g of ACRB for my extractions. Just got done with one last night and boy this is fucking pissing me off.

So i scrape the dish and got what looked like a .3 atleast for the first pull. The pile of dmt filled one of those small glass viles..you know the ones half the size of your average vile..

I weighed it out and it fucking just barely hit 100mg. This is ridiculous..pure white powder with a tiny tiny tint of yellow. So for a breakthrough dose i would need to smoke half of it and looks to be impossible. Way too much powder.

But yeah how can i expect friends or whoever to try dmt when they need to smoke a damn pile of it?

Why when i got dmt from solk road back in the day it wasnt like this at all?

I seriously thought i had pulled atleast 3 or 400mg and it ended up being 103mg.

Im about to stop extracting because its almost a waste of time and money.


Ok that wont happen but you know..


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Damn this is so frustrating...dmt extraction [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22056990 - 08/07/15 08:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Have you tried a different tek? Beta_knights is kinda complex, but if you take the time to invest and learn it, you'll pull some crazy yields.


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InvisibleBill_Oreilly
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Re: Damn this is so frustrating...dmt extraction [Re: Kinshino]
    #22057103 - 08/07/15 08:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

No i haven't..ive stuck to the same tek but ive tried every different combo under the sun experimenting with different amounts of lye..hot naptha..waiting longer between steps..etc

The problem is my yields look great its just they end up weighing less than half than what it looks like


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Damn this is so frustrating...dmt extraction [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22057321 - 08/07/15 09:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I was doing some research last weekend on some big DMT crystals. Checkout this thread.

https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&m=448168

He's talking about using a wine glass for re-x. He's also saying that nylon gives less surface area for crystals to grow, so that would probably be even better than glass. I have a big container I use to store OZ's of dabs, it's made of silicon. I am going to buy a brand new container and try to re-x with a seed crystal in this container. If my theory is correct and I follow the same procedures in this thread, then I think I will have a very viable way to create large DMT crystals just by "setting and forgetting" and leaving the crystals to grow on their own time.

I'll let you know once I have tried this out. It'll be a couple weeks most likely, but I'll definitely get around to it.


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Re: Damn this is so frustrating...dmt extraction [Re: daytripper05]
    #22057802 - 08/07/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Damn this is so frustrating...dmt extraction [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 1
    #22058821 - 08/07/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe its time to switch vendors :shrug:


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Re: Damn this is so frustrating...dmt extraction [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22058993 - 08/07/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:hugitout: most of my past extraction ended up like that

if youre tired of the bullshit i suggest you get a bigger extraction vessel and next time do a 250g extraction and get yourself a PH meter and heat everything

Beta knight tek is the shit ,

last time what i did is i kinda mix the johhny tek(the tek you showed me a while ago :wink: not sure if you still using it ) and the beta knight, i do a defat on the beta knight tek and skip the second A/B and go straight to wash

works wonder :thumbup: yield is impressive with 250g.

with the wash youre sure that there was no basic soup in the naphtah before freezing and since I dont do the second A/B the yields is rocks , you can refreeze and make crystals but i know you want that rocks  :awethumb:

edit:Rocks are so much more dabbable and convinient :datass: plus the NMT :yesnod:


Edited by Jean-guy Masta (08/07/15 02:49 PM)


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Re: Damn this is so frustrating...dmt extraction [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22059122 - 08/07/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:
....I weighed it out and it fucking just barely hit 100mg. This is ridiculous..pure white powder with a tiny tiny tint of yellow. So for a breakthrough dose i would need to smoke half of it and looks to be impossible. Way too much powder.

But yeah how can i expect friends or whoever to try dmt when they need to smoke a damn pile of it?....








It's not impossible....have you tried it yet?.....Why would it be impossible to smoke/vape 50mg of fluffy dmt, but not 50mg of dmt that's a bit denser? It's literally the same exact amount of material...50mg of fluffy powder/crystals will vape just as easily as a 50mg chunk/crystal of dmt.


It's still the same mass, just because it's less dense and looks like a lot doesn't mean it's going to be difficult to smoke it all in one go....50mg is 50mg......As soon as the slightest bit of heat from the flame gets near the pile it's going to melt down instantly.





My only problem with the fluffy crystals is that they're so fluffy they make amounts look like way more than it really is, so having a big ol' pile of it sitting in a bowl is kinda intimidating...even though I know it's not very much. Also, it's kinda hard to work with, I like being able to actually touch or pick up/move the crystals with my fingers if needed, and I can't do that with the fluffy stuff.




And have you tried to re-crystalize your fluffy material?






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Re: Damn this is so frustrating...dmt extraction [Re: openmind]
    #22059253 - 08/07/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Jean guy..ya im still using that tek. But i found that using 100g of bark with only 40g lye works best. I will look into the beta knight tek.


And OM..i have not tried recrystalizing.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Damn this is so frustrating...dmt extraction [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22059382 - 08/07/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I like to do 1 to 1 ratio lye to bark 1 gram lye 1 gram bark
to 15ml water and i always get big crystals.

Try to do a larger extraction. More material means
a bigher saturation in the naptha which will lead
to bigger formations when crystals pile on top of
eachother.

Try an evap tek where you freeze precip, then re dissolve
your crystals in hot naptha then let the dish sit out
at room temp tempfor a while. Crystals should fall out naturally and i
have seen literal rocks form with this method.

Good luck!


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Re: Damn this is so frustrating...dmt extraction [Re: natedawgnow]
    #22059452 - 08/07/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hey I thought about it one mistake with the johhny tek is the amount of vinegar is not enough  . with his mesurement you end up at like 3.5 of PH insteand of a 1.8-2 that would extract all the goodies during the acid bath. maybe would explain low yield

a PH pen is like 125 $ but its so worth it! muriatic acid is pretty usefull too way better then vinegar , you need a shit ton of vinegar to make it to 2 of PH


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Re: Damn this is so frustrating...dmt extraction [Re: Jean-guy Masta]
    #22059592 - 08/07/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I usually put in 80ml of vinegar for both 50g and 100g extractions

another thing I found out with the johnny tek is that you know how he sucks up the top layer of fats AND adds naptha and sucks it out and discards? Well I realized that you only need to do the discarding of the top layer and NOT the naptha part.

When I started skipping the naptha de-fat step my yields doubled. This makes me believe that some DMT is indeed soluble before adding the lye.

I have come to find out that using naptha to de-fat ACRB is completely pointless and actually greatly effects your yield.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Damn this is so frustrating...dmt extraction [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22059980 - 08/07/15 06:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

if its 5%acidic vinegar 80ml its probably not acid enough , 150 ml to 500 ml of water and you get a ph of like 3

about the defat it could be true, just a wash is probably enough will try

i only do it because i remember skipping the defat once my first times with the johnny tek and ended up with only goo thats why am still doing it, doesnt seem to lower my yeild that much tho.. but ill try without it


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Re: Damn this is so frustrating...dmt extraction [Re: Jean-guy Masta]
    #22060048 - 08/07/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If you're using ACRB maybe the goo was coincidental,
and due to an abnormally high NMT content and not
lipids and oils?

I know this is an issue with ACRB although i have only
used it myself on a couple of occasions.

I would steer clear of muriatic acid but if it's all
you can get, heres a trick to convert it to 30% hcl:

Take 2 glass bowls and put muriatic acid in one and water
In the other. About 2 cups each should do it.

Label the bowls.

Put them in a tupperware container side by side and
Put the lid firmly on the container.

Place the container with the bowls inside on top
of your fridge or somewhere else that generates a little heat.

Wait 24 hours.

The bowl with the water will now be infused with
the hcl that evaporated from the muriatic acid.
Some of the hcl will pool in the tupperware container.

Dump this into the water bowl as well. The resulting solutio,
will be highly acid so be very careful while doing this.

The end product is enough hcl to last a long time
minus all the nasties from muriatic acid :thumbup:


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Re: Damn this is so frustrating...dmt extraction [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22060096 - 08/07/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:

I have come to find out that using naptha to de-fat ACRB is completely pointless and actually greatly effects your yield.




No it doesn't. Freeze precip a dish of discard and see

How long are you taking to do the process from start to the time you put the dish in the freezer? Wait longer in-between steps and give the reaction a chance. Properly prepping bark is night and day yield wise.

I don't get how you're still such a noob extractor :shrug:


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Re: Damn this is so frustrating...dmt extraction [Re: Jean-guy Masta]
    #22060113 - 08/07/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Jean-guy Masta said:
if its 5%acidic vinegar 80ml its probably not acid enough , 150 ml to 500 ml of water and you get a ph of like 3

about the defat it could be true, just a wash is probably enough will try

i only do it because i remember skipping the defat once my first times with the johnny tek and ended up with only goo thats why am still doing it, doesnt seem to lower my yeild that much tho.. but ill try without it





Dude you must. Just make sure you get as much of the top layer of gunk as you can. Heres my little trick.


Get a cup and put a coffee filter over it.

Then get a turkey baster and suck up the top layer and spray it back into the cup with the filter so it filters out the crap and the bark solution drips in the cup. Keep doing this until all the fatty crap is gone and you have a smooth solution in the jar.

Then dump the clean solution that dripped down into the cup back into the vessel, and obviously throw away the coffee filter with the crap in it.


This is the fastest and most efficient way to go about it.

Then just go to the lye step and so on


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Damn this is so frustrating...dmt extraction [Re: Bugler Boy]
    #22060118 - 08/07/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Bugler Boy said:
Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:

I have come to find out that using naptha to de-fat ACRB is completely pointless and actually greatly effects your yield.




No it doesn't. Freeze precip a dish of discard and see

How long are you taking to do the process from start to the time you put the dish in the freezer? Wait longer in-between steps and give the reaction a chance. Properly prepping bark is night and day yield wise.

I don't get how you're still such a noob extractor :shrug:





Yes it does. I have done this literally 50 times or so and tried every combo under the sun, using the same tek.

Im 100% sure you don't need to use naptha to de-fat...you just need to suck the top layer of fats out.

This increases your yield.

This is a fact in my case.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Damn this is so frustrating...dmt extraction [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22060129 - 08/07/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

iVe head the mini A/B salt tek gives high yields. Have u thought of trying that Bill?

It uses HCL thou, it you dont have it already, then its no prob.


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Re: Damn this is so frustrating...dmt extraction [Re: Bugler Boy]
    #22060130 - 08/07/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Bugler Boy said:
Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:

I have come to find out that using naptha to de-fat ACRB is completely pointless and actually greatly effects your yield.




No it doesn't. Freeze precip a dish of discard and see

How long are you taking to do the process from start to the time you put the dish in the freezer? Wait longer in-between steps and give the reaction a chance. Properly prepping bark is night and day yield wise.

I don't get how you're still such a noob extractor :shrug:





I do 1 day for each step.

It doesn't seem to make a difference between 6 or so hours for each step. im telling you, for the tek I use I tried basically every oombo


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Damn this is so frustrating...dmt extraction [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22060178 - 08/07/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Look into proper glassware. theres probably a list of 10 little things that each could bump up your yield like 50mg a piece


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