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RACE BAITING 101 * 3
    #22056731 - 08/07/15 05:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)




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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: Asante] * 1
    #22056751 - 08/07/15 05:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:firstladyofapproval: makes alot of sense.


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: Asante] * 2
    #22056767 - 08/07/15 05:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Didn't watch.:shrug:
Was expecting a tutorial...:smirk:
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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: Asante] * 10
    #22056769 - 08/07/15 06:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:nonono: More of this shit.

I watched the majority just for curiosity's sake. It became utterly ridiculous when he came to the point he said even in a hoody he looks less like Travon than the face book creator. WHAT THE GODDAM KIND OF ARGUMENT IS THIS?! SO FUCKING RIDICULOUS IT'S GOING TO GIVE ME AN ANEURISM. Well gee, let's see, person dressed out in pants and a hoodie what is there really to compare to? Skin color. OF FUCKING COURSE YOU LOOK MORE LIKE THE WHITE DUDE THAN THE BLACK DUDE. HOLY FUCKING SHIT, WHAT A REVELATION.

Then he brings up the privilege. I am so sick of this argument it's becoming goddamn nauseating.

You wanna see racial privilege at work? Send a black guy walking through a predominantly white neighborhood and go sit at their park to eat his lunch. Now do the same fucking thing, but roles reversed. SEE WHO THE FUCK GETS HARASSED FOR BEING IN THE WRONG GODDAMN NEIGHBORHOOD. Don't even try to bias this test by sending them into a known supremacist neighborhood.

A bunch of fucking white people aren't going to beat some black guys ass for being there*. Totally different story for the other side.

*Unless you choose to skew the results in your favor by sending them into KKK territory, which is by far minimal to "black territory".

Seriously just fuck off with this shit. I'm tired of it.

Move your fucking ass to America and come experience it yourself, otherwise just shut up with this shit already. You have no idea what you're talking about.


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I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


Edited by Shroomslip (08/07/15 06:06 AM)


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: Shroomslip] * 2
    #22056785 - 08/07/15 06:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I agree with about 90% of everything he stated.
I didn't find it very racially motivated, you should have watched the whole thing, he uses the race as a buildup to his prime objective.

Good post. :thumbup:


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22056787 - 08/07/15 06:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I didnt talk a single word.


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: TNK] * 1
    #22056791 - 08/07/15 06:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I didn't find it very racially motivated, you should have watched the whole thing, he uses the race as a buildup to his prime objective.




This. Its about the BIGGER CONTEXT surrounding the debate.


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: Asante]
    #22056802 - 08/07/15 06:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah the Trayv6n thing is incidental.  That is one of those issues they're talking about that the media uses to get under people's skin.

I didn't do any fact-checking, but I think he did a great job treading the line between fact and propaganda.  It's the one conspiracy theory that is really hard to talk about, because it is undeniable and a glaring injustice on the face of our "free country".


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: TNK] * 3
    #22056804 - 08/07/15 06:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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TheNatureKid said:
I agree with about 90% of everything he stated.
I didn't find it very racially motivated, you should have watched the whole thing, he uses the race as a buildup to his prime objective.

Good post. :thumbup:



I did watch the majority of it. I can come back completely sober if it'd make you feel better. The video is just more bullshit propaganda.

Why do "minorities" have a lower educational achievement and higher incarceration rate? Did it ever occur to anyone that their culture dictates they shun school and become gangsters? Or that people of those minorities deviating from those "norms" are shunned by the others of their race? Practically every single "truth" he drops can be debunked as the problem THEY have created for THEMSELVES.

It's just more propaganda.

This isn't pre-70's/80's anymore. Everything they blame everyone else for, is their own doing. They all have the equal opportunity to rise above it. They choose not to, and not only do they not choose to, they ridicule anyone else who does. Go talk to Malcom, he'll give you first hand experience, he's shared it here, but he's not the only person I've heard it from.

They choose the life they have.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


Edited by Shroomslip (08/07/15 06:27 AM)


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: Shroomslip] * 1
    #22056807 - 08/07/15 06:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not going to get into it, you can believe what you want, I'll believe what I want.

:cheers:


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: TNK] * 2
    #22056843 - 08/07/15 06:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I respect you don't want to get into it, there are plenty of things I just don't have the energy or will to debate, but that is typical. This is also the problem. No one is willing to admit the facts because they aren't PC. I'll be labeled racist (by more than the few who have already labeled me as such). You want to preserve your good name.

I on the other hand am tired of this shit. I've reached my breaking point. I'm going to start calling all these racial threads as I see them. I'll say it flat out right here right now. I am absolutely nauseated by the constant white apologists acting as if we should feel guilty. I'm tired of a couple of certain mods and a handful of users acting as if black people are ALWAYS the victim, even while they are ganging up on a single white guy and beating him into oblivion.

I am not sorry I'm white. I will never be sorry I'm white and the only racial privilege in this country is afforded to those who are black. Go ahead koods make your yawn worthy stormfront reference. I don't give a fuck. The true racists these days are the ones who hide behind the chants of "racists". You don't have to be any certain skin color to be racist against against another certain skin color (white on white racism exist, in abundance here, black on black racism exist, etc). It doesn't absolve you of being racist.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


Edited by Shroomslip (08/07/15 06:50 AM)


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: Shroomslip] * 1
    #22056855 - 08/07/15 07:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So the people that antagonize the social structures that allow for racism are white apologists, not the people who sympathize with white supremacist organizations?  Ok buddy :rolleyes:

The video talked about white on white racism.  Do you want to talk about any specific aspect of the video or is this a completely unrelated rant?


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    #22056862 - 08/07/15 07:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I didn't want to respond, because I've been up all night, and drank rather heavily a few hours ago.

I didn't get the impression from the video that we should encourage white guilt, I am not sorry I am white, I am not responsible for the sins of my forefathers.

I've seen countless debates here these last few months, similar to this below.

If white does X it's racist
If black does X it is not racist

I've seen it a dozen times, and I don't agree with it, anyone who thinks that black people, or any other minority is incapable of being racist, or that racism is a white only issue, than they need to get their fucking head out of their ass.

If you think I am fear full of tarnishing my name, you are mistaken.
Like I said, I just didn't have the energy to debate it, I didn't get an overall racist undertone from the video, or that it was encouraging white guilt, the vibe I got was the parts of the puzzle that are in play in the entire system, oppression, against people of all races, economic oppression to be more exact.

I'm not trying to defend the ideology of people who believe that RACISM, is a white only issue.


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22056877 - 08/07/15 07:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

To not be able to understand the points of the video I have talked about you'd need to be reading at a preschool level. Watch it, read my comments, tell me how I didn't already tackle two points.

An apologist is someone who acts as if white people are reprehensible for what happened to the slaves or the oppression they faced after their freedom. News-fucking-flash. Those people are all long since dead or aren't a part of this community at least. Hey other white people, speak up. How many slaves do you own? How many slaves did your fathers own? How many slaves have you known in your life?

Don't hear anyone. Strange. Hey white people how many were there of you around to oppress the black people when they had long since been freed but were still fighting for their true freedom? Odd.. Still can't hear anyone.

We have some old people here, but they are very few and far between and I'm betting almost all that do fit the bill only had a very faint recollection. None directly responsible for either event. Therefore anyone here acting like whitey is at fault for everything is nothing but an apologist. Which is racism in itself. The idea that the white race somehow has to feel bad or make up for what was done to the other races long before they had any say in it at all.

Black people aren't held back by racism. They're held back because they choose to be held back. Rather than focus on education and academic status, it's about how hard they are. They chose their lives. They all had every opportunity to rise above the stereotype. They chose not to. Gangbanging and street cred was more important.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


Edited by Shroomslip (08/07/15 07:29 AM)


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: Shroomslip] * 1
    #22056915 - 08/07/15 07:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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An apologist is someone who acts as if white people are reprehensible for what happened to the slaves or the oppression they faced after their freedom.




:smirk: Since I think we can agree this is a serious conversation, lets take the language we use a little seriously here.

Here is a definition of apologist:

-"a person who defends or supports something (such as a religion, cause, or organization) that is being criticized or attacked by other people"-

if you have another you would like to use, let me know, but i reject the definition you give since that is just not true.

I know you think this is all a criticism of white people, but I want to make it clear, the criticism is of the system that allows white people to be favored in a wide variety of social situations.  Part of the foundation of anti-racism is that there is no essential divide between white and black people.  This video argues the idea that there is a divide is the result of upper class intellectuals who would exploit anyone really, but have sowed seeds of unrest by creating a class system where poor whites believe they are better than poor blacks.

Of course there is more to it than this, as it would not be possible without taking advantage out human's inborn desires like the need to feel part of something, fear of the unknown, and a long history of overlooking atrocities when it benefits the people in power.

Rather than recognize any of this, you feel white people are under attack, and you want to defend your pride as a white man as you feel that white people have done nothing wrong.  When you go on long rants about what is wrong with "them" and how really white people are at just as great of a disadvantage it really puts you in the position of a white apologist.

Do you see what I'm saying here?  You think it is controversial to be white, which it isn't, so you speak up in defense of the group you feel you are a part of.  You shouldn't be ashamed to be white, you should be ashamed to make the same points as white supremacists and call other people white apologists.


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22056959 - 08/07/15 07:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I agree with like 90% of what he said especially the things about the social castes and what not, he was dead on with that. The final pay off about being black in America makes him sound like he is doing the same thing the media does..... selling the racial separation and what not by saying being born black makes you somewhat have less of a chance then me as a white man which honestly sounds offensive to someone who is black. I think he should've focused more on the fact that we who are not the 4% are almost all being stepped on by the rich elites. There are rich black elites too not just whites. I think in modern times they don't care about race regarding who is enslaved, we are all enslaved regardless of race.


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: Shroomslip] * 1
    #22056980 - 08/07/15 08:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

tl;dr





...except
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Shroomslip said:... We have some old people here, but they are very few and far between and I'm betting almost all that do fit the bill only had a very faint recollection...



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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: vinsue] * 4
    #22057204 - 08/07/15 08:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The video is propaganda bullshit, how in the world is talking as fast as you can making one generalization after another while attempting to build a case for a massive conspiracy informative?

The guy would never debate someone that could question his theories, he's full of shit.


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: qman] * 1
    #22057332 - 08/07/15 09:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I hope you didn't expect anything else from the Shroomery's resident racist.


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: Asante]
    #22057644 - 08/07/15 10:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I watched the whole thing with my bile rising


Most people who are poor are because of their personal failings or because they are just starting in the workforce or have babies they can't afford.  This guy is full of shit.

Quoting Van Jones?  I think not.  Who is this asshole?


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: Asante]
    #22057693 - 08/07/15 10:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I didn't watch it, but Asante posted this and it's a race topic, so I know I'll disagree. 'Mostly wrong' gets my vote.


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22057727 - 08/07/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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So the people that antagonize the social structures that allow for racism are white apologists, not the people who sympathize with white supremacist organizations?  Ok buddy :rolleyes:

The video talked about white on white racism.  Do you want to talk about any specific aspect of the video or is this a completely unrelated rant?



Did you watch the whole thing?  Tell the truth.  By the way his historical musings were correct but he left out that slavery was a well established practice in Africe before whitey ever showed up.


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 2
    #22057797 - 08/07/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm OK being white. I wouldn't mind if I was born otherwise though, all things being equal as far as discrimination. They aren't, but in this context.
White people are the last race to the scene, by the way. We came from central Asians, who came from black Africans. It can be shown through gene mutations that are testable. I don't know where I'm going with this. It is mildly interesting to me


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: D.M.T] * 2
    #22057842 - 08/07/15 10:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I didn't watch it, but Asante posted this and it's a race topic, so I know I'll disagree.





Thank you for defining "prejudiced".

Unless you are a member of the wealthy elite, making your millions off exploiting your workers at minimum wage and without any benefit you can legally fuck them out of, its pretty daft disagreeing with this video.

Zappa is rich (not implying you stiff your employees) but its pretty hilarious seeing you poor motherfuckers up in arms against this.

Fuck, I think even a neonazi would get that this video is about classism, not racism. You're so obsessed with not letting black people have anything that you're not realizing you're being screwed from above.


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: zappaisgod] * 4
    #22057861 - 08/07/15 10:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I watched the whole thing with my bile rising


Most people who are poor are because of their personal failings or because they are just starting in the workforce or have babies they can't afford.  This guy is full of shit.

Quoting Van Jones?  I think not.  Who is this asshole?




Or, they got sick since, in America, medical bills are becoming the largest cause of bankruptcies.

And considering real wage growth has been stunted people who work 40 hours a week can still struggle to meet basic needs.

So while the overly simplistic view of "poor people deserve to be poor because #reasons!" there are a variety of economic and social factors at play that require actual nuance to recognize.


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So the people that antagonize the social structures that allow for racism are white apologists, not the people who sympathize with white supremacist organizations?  Ok buddy :rolleyes:

The video talked about white on white racism.  Do you want to talk about any specific aspect of the video or is this a completely unrelated rant?



Did you watch the whole thing?  Tell the truth.  By the way his historical musings were correct but he left out that slavery was a well established practice in Africe before whitey ever showed up.




And for a people who thought they were oh so more civilized than the barbaric savages they traded other human beings with, you would think they would have maybe tried to be BETTER than those savages instead of continuing the institution and then placing social/legal/and economic barriers in the way of progress once the institution was banned.

Alas, barbarism can still exist even with fancy belt-buckles and gun powder so c'est la vie.

I honestly wonder what people are attempting to accomplish when they use this argument anyway. "Slavery existed other places too!" It's like an 8 year giving a reason for why they were caught with their hand in the cookie jar. "Timmy took a cookie!" Only it's coming from the mouth of an adult. So. Weird.

And further more, I find the assertion completely disingenuous and an obvious derailment as I never see these people promoting activist work against the current slavery in the Middle East and Africa now, or the sex slavery in Europe and the United States; which leads me to believe that they don't give two shits about human suffering AT ALL, they're just wanting to deflect from what they perceive as a personal attack against THEM.

It's so transparent and intellectually lazy it's almost kind of sad.

The fact of the matter is that race-baiting works VERY well. It's how you convince a bunch of poor people to vote against their own best interest economically by insinuating that THOSE OTHER PEOPLE are taking all of their benefits. And they don't realize these people view them with the same disdain but know fully well how to pander to their sense of entitlement, narcissism, and ignorance.

As far as people having children they can't afford? I agree whole-heartedly with that. I think there need to be economic, psychological, and education-based evaluations before someone is permitted to have a child (or 6). With all of the ways we have to prevent pregnancies, for both men and women, unplanned/ill-planned pregnancies should be a thing of the past. But the right to reproduce, is just that, a right. So, do we propose outlandish policies that would never fly OR do we attempt to create the best infrastructure and education system possible such that all children, regardless of income of their parents, are capable of becoming citizens who contribute to the overall well being of our Republic?


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22057914 - 08/07/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm OK being white. I wouldn't mind if I was born otherwise though, all things being equal as far as discrimination. They aren't, but in this context.
White people are the last race to the scene, by the way. We came from central Asians, who came from black Africans. It can be shown through gene mutations that are testable. I don't know where I'm going with this. It is mildly interesting to me




Would you mind showing me the data you used to determine this?


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    #22057936 - 08/07/15 10:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

White people only got white 7,000 years ago and the rest of your ancestors, since the dawn of modern humankind at 210,000 years ago, have been black.

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    #22057981 - 08/07/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I didn't watch it, but Asante posted this and it's a race topic, so I know I'll disagree.





Thank you for defining "prejudiced".

Unless you are a member of the wealthy elite, making your millions off exploiting your workers at minimum wage and without any benefit you can legally fuck them out of, its pretty daft disagreeing with this video.

Zappa is rich (not implying you stiff your employees) but its pretty hilarious seeing you poor motherfuckers up in arms against this.

Fuck, I think even a neonazi would get that this video is about classism, not racism. You're so obsessed with not letting black people have anything that you're not realizing you're being screwed from above.


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I was not born rich.  I've been poor.  I've seen other people in exactly my income bracket and work position at that time do stupid shit over and over again. 

Not one of my emplyees made minimum wage and sometimes they made more money than me.  They also worked less hours than I did and got more vacations.  Do you know why they got more vacations?  Because if I took off they were out of work, too.  The company could not function without me.  It is the nature of the business.  Unless you have an equally competent partner you can't leave.  I never did.


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    #22057991 - 08/07/15 11:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

at least he was right about the media being owned by 6 corporations.


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    #22058012 - 08/07/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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White people only got white 7,000 years ago and the rest of your ancestors, since the dawn of modern humankind at 210,000 years ago, have been black.

So thats the majority of yallzes ancestors you're talking about.




"suggesting that at least some humans lived considerably longer than thought in Europe before losing the dark pigmentation"


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    #22058027 - 08/07/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The majority of YOUR ancestors since the dawn of modern man, 210,000 years ago were black people living in Africa qman, isnt that awesome? :awesome:


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    #22058037 - 08/07/15 11:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I watched the whole thing with my bile rising


Most people who are poor are because of their personal failings or because they are just starting in the workforce or have babies they can't afford.  This guy is full of shit.

Quoting Van Jones?  I think not.  Who is this asshole?




Or, they got sick since, in America, medical bills are becoming the largest cause of bankruptcies.




That sounds like complete bullshit.  I know thousands of people and not one has ever had to declare bankruptcy because of medical bills.  They aint all rich, either
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And considering real wage growth has been stunted people who work 40 hours a week can still struggle to meet basic needs.




Why does it have to grow?  I struggled when I started.  People who work 40 hours a week and struggle need to improve their skills and not make stupid indulgent decisions
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So while the overly simplistic view of "poor people deserve to be poor because #reasons!" there are a variety of economic and social factors at play that require actual nuance to recognize.




Nuance?
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So the people that antagonize the social structures that allow for racism are white apologists, not the people who sympathize with white supremacist organizations?  Ok buddy :rolleyes:

The video talked about white on white racism.  Do you want to talk about any specific aspect of the video or is this a completely unrelated rant?



Did you watch the whole thing?  Tell the truth.  By the way his historical musings were correct but he left out that slavery was a well established practice in Africe before whitey ever showed up.




And for a people who thought they were oh so more civilized than the barbaric savages they traded other human beings with, you would think they would have maybe tried to be BETTER than those savages instead of continuing the institution and then placing social/legal/and economic barriers in the way of progress once the institution was banned.

Alas, barbarism can still exist even with fancy belt-buckles and gun powder so c'est la vie.

I honestly wonder what people are attempting to accomplish when they use this argument anyway. "Slavery existed other places too!" It's like an 8 year giving a reason for why they were caught with their hand in the cookie jar. "Timmy took a cookie!" Only it's coming from the mouth of an adult. So. Weird.

And further more, I find the assertion completely disingenuous and an obvious derailment as I never see these people promoting activist work against the current slavery in the Middle East and Africa now, or the sex slavery in Europe and the United States; which leads me to believe that they don't give two shits about human suffering AT ALL, they're just wanting to deflect from what they perceive as a personal attack against THEM.

It's so transparent and intellectually lazy it's almost kind of sad.




Slavery has been in existence throughout human history.  Whining about Negro slaves in America is disingenuous shaming.  Do you know how many Caucasians died in the Civil War fighting for Negroes? 
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The fact of the matter is that race-baiting works VERY well. It's how you convince a bunch of poor people to vote against their own best interest economically by insinuating that THOSE OTHER PEOPLE are taking all of their benefits. And they don't realize these people view them with the same disdain but know fully well how to pander to their sense of entitlement, narcissism, and ignorance.


  Race baiting works for the Al Sharpton scum of the world.  Without it they would have no income
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As far as people having children they can't afford? I agree whole-heartedly with that. I think there need to be economic, psychological, and education-based evaluations before someone is permitted to have a child (or 6). With all of the ways we have to prevent pregnancies, for both men and women, unplanned/ill-planned pregnancies should be a thing of the past. But the right to reproduce, is just that, a right. So, do we propose outlandish policies that would never fly OR do we attempt to create the best infrastructure and education system possible such that all children, regardless of income of their parents, are capable of becoming citizens who contribute to the overall well being of our Republic?




1.  Do you want a government bureaucrat deciding who can and who can't have children?  "Permitted to have childre?"  Really.  I got an idea.  Stop the welfare payments and they;ll get their head out of their ass.
2.  We have methods to prevent pregnancy.  We have no methods to prevent stupidity
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    #22058038 - 08/07/15 11:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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at least he was right about the media being owned by 6 corporations.




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    #22058043 - 08/07/15 11:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I watched the whole thing. I thought it was awesome. I feel like his main point eluded me but the whole thing was interesting, well presented and engaging and informative.

Can someone sum up his main point in one or  two sentences?

I mean what I got is "Black people have been oppressed, we are all one, we should not be racist" along with a short history of race relations in the USA.


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    #22058081 - 08/07/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The majority of YOUR ancestors since the dawn of modern man, 210,000 years ago were black people living in Africa qman, isnt that awesome? :awesome:




I think learning about human history is awesome, the fact that early humans started in Africa is just fine.

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    #22058394 - 08/07/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Race baiting works for the Al Sharpton scum of the world.  Without it they would have no income




I'm trying to figure out what Al Sharpton has to do with any of this. First, the man has been completely irrelevant for years now and second, he has no input into domestic or foreign policy. Oh I know! Because I'm black obviously I idolize the man who has done little to actually help the countless black women and children harmed in our communities while parading "causes" that allow rapists and murderers of said women and children to go free. I don't. Referencing Rev. Hot Comb means nothing to me so this was a miss.

But, once again, you don't care about any of that. You  were hoping to score a "point" based off of your assumptions. Yawn.

You need to brush up on who the actual movers and shakers are so you can get up-to-date references.


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1.  Do you want a government bureaucrat deciding who can and who can't have children?  "Permitted to have childre?"  Really.  I got an idea.  Stop the welfare payments and they;ll get their head out of their ass.
2.  We have methods to prevent pregnancy.  We have no methods to prevent stupidity
3.  The government sucks at education because they have allowed unions to take over schools




I guess you missed this part of my post while you were busy exercising that non-stupidity that somehow translates into lack of reading comprehension - "But the right to reproduce, is just that, a right. So, do we propose outlandish policies that would never fly OR do we attempt to create the best infrastructure and education system possible such that all children, regardless of income of their parents, are capable of becoming citizens who contribute to the overall well being of our Republic?"

Which means, I'm completely capable of acknowledging when my own personal thoughts on a matter don't work with the current reality. "Unions are the problem!" I...don't even have time to debunk this and considering your sloppy responses so far, the effort supplied would not be worth whatever [sarcasm] nuggets of wisdom [/sarcasm] you would bestow

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Slavery has been in existence throughout human history.  Whining about Negro slaves in America is disingenuous shaming.  Do you know how many Caucasians died in the Civil War fighting for Negroes? 




Just as many Caucasians who died to ensure I would never be viewed as a human being? And "Negroes" (as you so lovingly call us) fought for freedom, and this country as a whole, as well. Though I suppose you feel I am not expressing the due amount of gratitude Caucasians deserve. So while on one hand you want people to stop "whining" about the "debbil white man" (or whatever) you want people to applaud them as a GROUP for the actions of individuals.

So which one is it? You don't get to say "we're all individuals" when it's some kid shooting up a school or a church but then claim some kind of owed-affinity-based-worship when some uppity negress (myself) doesn't recognize who she should thank for her ability to read, write, and use the internet.

Also, is anyone...even whining? What's done is done. Slavery is over. The race based assumptions of inferiority based on phenotype however, are alive and well and effecting the way some people endanger themselves through their political choices. Anyway, considering how I never stated, in my post, that people should feel ashamed of anything I fail to see where you got this from. So I'm just going to acknowledge you said words and consider this exchange complete.


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    #22058440 - 08/07/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I didn't watch it, but Asante posted this and it's a race topic, so I know I'll disagree.





Thank you for defining "prejudiced".

Unless you are a member of the wealthy elite, making your millions off exploiting your workers at minimum wage and without any benefit you can legally fuck them out of, its pretty daft disagreeing with this video.

Zappa is rich (not implying you stiff your employees) but its pretty hilarious seeing you poor motherfuckers up in arms against this.

Fuck, I think even a neonazi would get that this video is about classism, not racism. You're so obsessed with not letting black people have anything that you're not realizing you're being screwed from above.


:Trollface:



I don't know what I'm missing in the video if I don't watch it, and thus life goes on. I think it's better that way.

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    #22058444 - 08/07/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

We are not simply that. Tribalism is deep and people want to separate themselves into groups, an from them as well. If we were all clones, but some just happened to have dark hair and some light, there would be conflict somewhere.


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    #22058468 - 08/07/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Not one of my emplyees made minimum wage and sometimes they made more money than me.  They also worked less hours than I did and got more vacations.  Do you know why they got more vacations?  Because if I took off they were out of work, too.  The company could not function without me.  It is the nature of the business.  Unless you have an equally competent partner you can't leave.  I never did.



It's similar here with agriculture. Since I began this farm 2015 may be the first year I struggle to catch a profit after the rainiest summer since 1871 has stunted crops a few weeks behind where they should be, brought new pests and diseases, and weeds since there is no form of control you can apply in wet weather.

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    #22058489 - 08/07/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The majority of YOUR ancestors since the dawn of modern man, 210,000 years ago were black people living in Africa qman, isnt that awesome? :awesome:




I think learning about human history is awesome, the fact that early humans started in Africa is just fine.

https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2009/05/05/the-birth-of-the-caucasian-race/





You asshole, linking us to a racist site!

Are you blind? They have links called

Ethnic Nationalism: Good For Jews, Bad For White Gentiles

And right in the second paragraph they call someone a (genetic/racial) throwback.

Thats a fucking neonazi site, is that where you get your objective information?

I been on a stormfront type site thanks to you :badmanthisfeels:


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    #22058504 - 08/07/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Race baiting works for the Al Sharpton scum of the world.  Without it they would have no income




I'm trying to figure out what Al Sharpton has to do with any of this. First, the man has been completely irrelevant for years now and second, he has no input into domestic or foreign policy. Oh I know! Because I'm black obviously I idolize the man who has done little to actually help the countless black women and children harmed in our communities while parading "causes" that allow rapists and murderers of said women and children to go free. I don't. Referencing Rev. Hot Comb means nothing to me so this was a miss.

But, once again, you don't care about any of that. You  were hoping to score a "point" based off of your assumptions. Yawn.

You need to brush up on who the actual movers and shakers are so you can get up-to-date references.




Al Sharpton has visited the White HOuse probably more than anybody.  Once again your ignorance rears its ugly head 
http://www.newsmax.com/US/Rudy-Giuliani-Al-Sharpton-White-House/2014/12/30/id/615632/

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1.  Do you want a government bureaucrat deciding who can and who can't have children?  "Permitted to have childre?"  Really.  I got an idea.  Stop the welfare payments and they;ll get their head out of their ass.
2.  We have methods to prevent pregnancy.  We have no methods to prevent stupidity
3.  The government sucks at education because they have allowed unions to take over schools




I guess you missed this part of my post while you were busy exercising that non-stupidity that somehow translates into lack of reading comprehension - "But the right to reproduce, is just that, a right. So, do we propose outlandish policies that would never fly OR do we attempt to create the best infrastructure and education system possible such that all children, regardless of income of their parents, are capable of becoming citizens who contribute to the overall well being of our Republic?"




I saw that all.  Your first sentence was so monstrous it required a reply, which I provided in a list.  Not all children are capable of becoming useful citizens.  That is a pipe dream.  Put the pipe down.  Some people inherently suck and some people are taught to suck.  I think the current state of education in the US is indoctrinating children with the notion that they are all wonderful and are handing out trophies for participation even without achieving anything.  This is a mistake. 
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Which means, I'm completely capable of acknowledging when my own personal thoughts on a matter don't work with the current reality. "Unions are the problem!" I...don't even have time to debunk this and considering your sloppy responses so far, the effort supplied would not be worth whatever [sarcasm] nuggets of wisdom [/sarcasm] you would bestow




Unions protect incompetents.  I'm with Jack Welch.  The bottom 10% should be fired every year and replaced.  Tenure in primary education is a disgrace and serves no purpose except to protect incompetents.  I also thnk that the federal government has no business being involved and imposing its bullshit equally everywhere.  Schools should be local control so that the community can establish its own standards, not have them rained down from witwit pinheads in Washington. 



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Slavery has been in existence throughout human history.  Whining about Negro slaves in America is disingenuous shaming.  Do you know how many Caucasians died in the Civil War fighting for Negroes? 




Just as many Caucasians who died to ensure I would never be viewed as a human being? And "Negroes" (as you so lovingly call us) fought for freedom, and this country as a whole, as well. Though I suppose you feel I am not expressing the due amount of gratitude Caucasians deserve. So while on one hand you want people to stop "whining" about the "debbil white man" (or whatever) you want people to applaud them as a GROUP for the actions of individuals.




Who do you think sold us the slaves?  Africa still has slavery. 
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So which one is it? You don't get to say "we're all individuals" when it's some kid shooting up a school or a church but then claim some kind of owed-affinity-based-worship when some uppity negress (myself) doesn't recognize who she should thank for her ability to read, write, and use the internet.




I have no idea what the point of this is.  Do you know who shoots up the vast majority of Negroes.  Negroes.
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Also, is anyone...even whining? What's done is done. Slavery is over. The race based assumptions of inferiority based on phenotype however, are alive and well and effecting the way some people endanger themselves through their political choices. Anyway, considering how I never stated, in my post, that people should feel ashamed of anything I fail to see where you got this from. So I'm just going to acknowledge you said words and consider this exchange complete.




Is anyone whining?  Jesse Jackson Al Sharpton Barack Obama Oprah Winfrey.  I could go on.  People should be ashamed of the wrong things thay do.  Maybe you should be a cop.

I did not know that you were either Negro or female and I DON'T FUCKING CARE.


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    #22058514 - 08/07/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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    #22058575 - 08/07/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

When do we stop making excuses for violent behavior?
A murder is murder.
"Despite making up roughly 1 in 12 Americans, blacks accounted for half of all homicides."
Blacks just make a small portion of the population yet,
"blacks made up 42 percent of all cop killers whose race was known."
Seems many people just accept whatever spin that fits their agenda, without using critical thinking.
I'd like to drop some of you off in my hometown Detroit so you could get a more hands on education.
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    #22058598 - 08/07/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So many Michigan people here. Hi from Little Detroit, also known as Muskegon, though we almost never call it that in polite company.


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    #22058640 - 08/07/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What are you trying to say?  Black people are at a disadvantage in America because of racism, which results in poverty, which results in crime.  You can see the same thing happen with white people who segregate themselves or are segregated by social classes, and that isn't better or worse in itself, but the extent to which people with dark skin were subjugated in American history is more extreme. 

Black people have overcome much of this as a community and individuals, but are prone to many of the same pitfalls as white people.  That is because we are basically the same.  The differences were blown out of proportion for political reasons, and continue to be in some people's minds. 

People are so obsessed with proving that there is something inherently wrong with this and that race and use statistics and anecdotes to back it up, but they fail to recognize how similar we are in both desires and capability no matter where we come from.  There is absolutely no reason to believe that the way people's skin color genes mutated matters in terms of character and potential.  There is plenty of evidence that people are superstitious and often are prone to using irrational and senseless measures to evaluate the world around them.

What seems clear is that there were alot of different tribes that make up modern humans, and some were prone to passing on these genes that resulted in lighter skin.  That is not necessarily even an advantage, it could just be that the mutation happened.  There is some speculation that diet and climate both played a role, and it also seems like some primitive cultures viewed this trait with reverence or as somehow special, but they did that with many mutations we now recognize as not supernaturally significant.

My point is that humans have an innate desire to know each-other and live as a supportive community.  Sure, it can be stressful and uncomfortable to be around people who you don't understand, and don't understand you, but ultimately it is a coward who lets fear get in the way of righteousness and justice.  At least that is how I was raised.  I cannot fix mistakes made in the past, but I'll be damned if I stay quiet when I know better.


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    #22058671 - 08/07/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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    #22058811 - 08/07/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not too interested in participating in a debate either. Maybe I'll come back when I am.

All I have to say is that this is the nature of things. We have the power to break our Karmic retribution for our ancestors' primitive desires (towards a hierarchical and plutocratic social structure). It was a better option than city-states.

The only answer is for the general populous to choose to move forward; focus on the ideal a bit more (perhaps some ego dissolution?).

Oh, and thank you Asante for finding and posting this provocative and educational video! Makes me glad to log in in the morning when I see stuff like this.


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    #22061926 - 08/08/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The majority of YOUR ancestors since the dawn of modern man, 210,000 years ago were black people living in Africa qman, isnt that awesome? :awesome:




I think learning about human history is awesome, the fact that early humans started in Africa is just fine.

https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2009/05/05/the-birth-of-the-caucasian-race/





You asshole, linking us to a racist site!

Are you blind? They have links called

Ethnic Nationalism: Good For Jews, Bad For White Gentiles

And right in the second paragraph they call someone a (genetic/racial) throwback.

Thats a fucking neonazi site, is that where you get your objective information?

I been on a stormfront type site thanks to you :badmanthisfeels:





"That's a fucking neonazi site"

:lolwut:

"White nationalists are furious about this...It's just too offensive to imagine that Grandpa may have been an ni..er.  Yet obviously he was."

That's a statement making fun of "white nationalists", I don't know what you're even talking about.


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: qman]
    #22061949 - 08/08/15 09:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #22062284 - 08/08/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Can't we change caucasians into Europeans?
You know, we have Asians, Latino's, Africans... much better.


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: Turtletotem]
    #22062297 - 08/08/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

caucasians is a strange word. Its like asians except with a cauc :omgz:

Most "caucasians" don't consider people from the caucasus mountains typical white people (cause thats what we're talking about)

Europeans sounds fine to me.

"European American"


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    #22062323 - 08/08/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Shroomslip said:
Quote:

TheNatureKid said:
I agree with about 90% of everything he stated.
I didn't find it very racially motivated, you should have watched the whole thing, he uses the race as a buildup to his prime objective.

Good post. :thumbup:



I did watch the majority of it. I can come back completely sober if it'd make you feel better. The video is just more bullshit propaganda.

Why do "minorities" have a lower educational achievement and higher incarceration rate? Did it ever occur to anyone that their culture dictates they shun school and become gangsters? Or that people of those minorities deviating from those "norms" are shunned by the others of their race? Practically every single "truth" he drops can be debunked as the problem THEY have created for THEMSELVES.

It's just more propaganda.

This isn't pre-70's/80's anymore. Everything they blame everyone else for, is their own doing. They all have the equal opportunity to rise above it. They choose not to, and not only do they not choose to, they ridicule anyone else who does. Go talk to Malcom, he'll give you first hand experience, he's shared it here, but he's not the only person I've heard it from.

They choose the life they have.




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    #22062378 - 08/08/15 11:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

"Minorities" don't generally have lower educational achievement and higher incarceration rate.  Some do, others don't.

I'm white, I dropped out of high school and have been arrested and locked up multiple times.  I am doing my part to promote equality.  :wink:


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: DieCommie]
    #22062413 - 08/08/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

White people were central Asian, it is all hair splitting. We are all Atlantians in the end.


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22062436 - 08/08/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Not me.  I'm reptilian.  Ask anybody who has met me.


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22062452 - 08/08/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You're not rich enough to be reptilian :ohyou:


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: Asante]
    #22062460 - 08/08/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Not all reptiles are hella rich


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22062539 - 08/08/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

White people went all sorts of places, as did black people, and none of us exactly resemble the white/black people of that time we are all mixtures of those groups which probably did have some level of hostility towards each-other but inevitably fucked from time to time.  There's no such thing as a pure race because we are all products of this same process, there are groups with limited genetic diversity but few people are going to be proud of that.  It's just not the case that there is any sort of larger benefit there to a lineage with less diversity, especially if it relies on superficial characteristics like social status, wealth, or skin color to make selections.

What I feel pretty sure about is that whatever benefits pale skinned people had, whether they came to be that way purely through natural selection or out of some fixation on pale skin and intentional sexual selection, it isn't relevant to us in the way that racism makes it out to be.  In the context of modern society it is important that we have shared values and respect for each-other, not just to be happy as individuals but to ensure human survival.  I want to be part of the group that puts this before anything, not the group that thinks the way things once were is the way things always should be. 

Like racism that is an ideology and alot of people get hung up there and even say that anti-racism is truly racist against white people, or something like that, but to me it is a simple statement of the shared values that lead people to fight for the rights and respect that most people will agree we all deserve, but some just see it as impossible to extend these rights to everyone.  It bothers me when people go around calling oppressed people entitled, but when it comes to the protection of their own welfare and sense of entitlement suddenly it is everyone's responsibility to protect them and respect their interests as sacrosanct.


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22062568 - 08/08/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Purity in genes and race is pretty stupid. They did that in India, and so bad genetics just pop up out of nowhere sometimes. Variability is a powerful tool for dealing with changing environments


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22062702 - 08/08/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah well they're not alone in that, but that is really just a small part of a bigger picture.  It's a worldwide trend that there is some sort of elite that maintains that they are the ones who epitomize humanity, and their lot in life is somehow more significant.  People seem incapable of recognizing this when they are the ones in this position, but they're almost always proven wrong in the end. 

In the end the notion of belonging to some superior group within your group is a mental trap that puts severe limits on your own choices, and the people that your choices effect.  This sort of greater consciousness is the real revolution going on the way I see it, where stepping on other people's backs to clamor for some illusory status is the evidence of a primitive race.


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22062722 - 08/08/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I think the idea of variety being good is just counter- intuitive, since we all pretty much came from homogenous groups that stuck together until modern times


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