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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: dionysiandame]
    #22058504 - 08/07/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Race baiting works for the Al Sharpton scum of the world.  Without it they would have no income




I'm trying to figure out what Al Sharpton has to do with any of this. First, the man has been completely irrelevant for years now and second, he has no input into domestic or foreign policy. Oh I know! Because I'm black obviously I idolize the man who has done little to actually help the countless black women and children harmed in our communities while parading "causes" that allow rapists and murderers of said women and children to go free. I don't. Referencing Rev. Hot Comb means nothing to me so this was a miss.

But, once again, you don't care about any of that. You  were hoping to score a "point" based off of your assumptions. Yawn.

You need to brush up on who the actual movers and shakers are so you can get up-to-date references.




Al Sharpton has visited the White HOuse probably more than anybody.  Once again your ignorance rears its ugly head 
http://www.newsmax.com/US/Rudy-Giuliani-Al-Sharpton-White-House/2014/12/30/id/615632/

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He confirms that Sharpton has visited the White House on 72 occasions, including 5 one-on-one meetings, 20 meetings with staff members or senior advisers.




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1.  Do you want a government bureaucrat deciding who can and who can't have children?  "Permitted to have childre?"  Really.  I got an idea.  Stop the welfare payments and they;ll get their head out of their ass.
2.  We have methods to prevent pregnancy.  We have no methods to prevent stupidity
3.  The government sucks at education because they have allowed unions to take over schools




I guess you missed this part of my post while you were busy exercising that non-stupidity that somehow translates into lack of reading comprehension - "But the right to reproduce, is just that, a right. So, do we propose outlandish policies that would never fly OR do we attempt to create the best infrastructure and education system possible such that all children, regardless of income of their parents, are capable of becoming citizens who contribute to the overall well being of our Republic?"




I saw that all.  Your first sentence was so monstrous it required a reply, which I provided in a list.  Not all children are capable of becoming useful citizens.  That is a pipe dream.  Put the pipe down.  Some people inherently suck and some people are taught to suck.  I think the current state of education in the US is indoctrinating children with the notion that they are all wonderful and are handing out trophies for participation even without achieving anything.  This is a mistake. 
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Which means, I'm completely capable of acknowledging when my own personal thoughts on a matter don't work with the current reality. "Unions are the problem!" I...don't even have time to debunk this and considering your sloppy responses so far, the effort supplied would not be worth whatever [sarcasm] nuggets of wisdom [/sarcasm] you would bestow




Unions protect incompetents.  I'm with Jack Welch.  The bottom 10% should be fired every year and replaced.  Tenure in primary education is a disgrace and serves no purpose except to protect incompetents.  I also thnk that the federal government has no business being involved and imposing its bullshit equally everywhere.  Schools should be local control so that the community can establish its own standards, not have them rained down from witwit pinheads in Washington. 



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Slavery has been in existence throughout human history.  Whining about Negro slaves in America is disingenuous shaming.  Do you know how many Caucasians died in the Civil War fighting for Negroes? 




Just as many Caucasians who died to ensure I would never be viewed as a human being? And "Negroes" (as you so lovingly call us) fought for freedom, and this country as a whole, as well. Though I suppose you feel I am not expressing the due amount of gratitude Caucasians deserve. So while on one hand you want people to stop "whining" about the "debbil white man" (or whatever) you want people to applaud them as a GROUP for the actions of individuals.




Who do you think sold us the slaves?  Africa still has slavery. 
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So which one is it? You don't get to say "we're all individuals" when it's some kid shooting up a school or a church but then claim some kind of owed-affinity-based-worship when some uppity negress (myself) doesn't recognize who she should thank for her ability to read, write, and use the internet.




I have no idea what the point of this is.  Do you know who shoots up the vast majority of Negroes.  Negroes.
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Also, is anyone...even whining? What's done is done. Slavery is over. The race based assumptions of inferiority based on phenotype however, are alive and well and effecting the way some people endanger themselves through their political choices. Anyway, considering how I never stated, in my post, that people should feel ashamed of anything I fail to see where you got this from. So I'm just going to acknowledge you said words and consider this exchange complete.




Is anyone whining?  Jesse Jackson Al Sharpton Barack Obama Oprah Winfrey.  I could go on.  People should be ashamed of the wrong things thay do.  Maybe you should be a cop.

I did not know that you were either Negro or female and I DON'T FUCKING CARE.


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: Asante]
    #22058514 - 08/07/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I been on a stormfront type site thanks to you :badmanthisfeels:




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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: Asante]
    #22058575 - 08/07/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

When do we stop making excuses for violent behavior?
A murder is murder.
"Despite making up roughly 1 in 12 Americans, blacks accounted for half of all homicides."
Blacks just make a small portion of the population yet,
"blacks made up 42 percent of all cop killers whose race was known."
Seems many people just accept whatever spin that fits their agenda, without using critical thinking.
I'd like to drop some of you off in my hometown Detroit so you could get a more hands on education.
Not trying to spread hate here.
I love all people but I'm not going to be delusional about the situation.


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: Love_spirit]
    #22058598 - 08/07/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So many Michigan people here. Hi from Little Detroit, also known as Muskegon, though we almost never call it that in polite company.


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: Love_spirit] * 1
    #22058640 - 08/07/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What are you trying to say?  Black people are at a disadvantage in America because of racism, which results in poverty, which results in crime.  You can see the same thing happen with white people who segregate themselves or are segregated by social classes, and that isn't better or worse in itself, but the extent to which people with dark skin were subjugated in American history is more extreme. 

Black people have overcome much of this as a community and individuals, but are prone to many of the same pitfalls as white people.  That is because we are basically the same.  The differences were blown out of proportion for political reasons, and continue to be in some people's minds. 

People are so obsessed with proving that there is something inherently wrong with this and that race and use statistics and anecdotes to back it up, but they fail to recognize how similar we are in both desires and capability no matter where we come from.  There is absolutely no reason to believe that the way people's skin color genes mutated matters in terms of character and potential.  There is plenty of evidence that people are superstitious and often are prone to using irrational and senseless measures to evaluate the world around them.

What seems clear is that there were alot of different tribes that make up modern humans, and some were prone to passing on these genes that resulted in lighter skin.  That is not necessarily even an advantage, it could just be that the mutation happened.  There is some speculation that diet and climate both played a role, and it also seems like some primitive cultures viewed this trait with reverence or as somehow special, but they did that with many mutations we now recognize as not supernaturally significant.

My point is that humans have an innate desire to know each-other and live as a supportive community.  Sure, it can be stressful and uncomfortable to be around people who you don't understand, and don't understand you, but ultimately it is a coward who lets fear get in the way of righteousness and justice.  At least that is how I was raised.  I cannot fix mistakes made in the past, but I'll be damned if I stay quiet when I know better.


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #22058671 - 08/07/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Negroes receive special privileges in America because of racism


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: Asante] * 1
    #22058811 - 08/07/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not too interested in participating in a debate either. Maybe I'll come back when I am.

All I have to say is that this is the nature of things. We have the power to break our Karmic retribution for our ancestors' primitive desires (towards a hierarchical and plutocratic social structure). It was a better option than city-states.

The only answer is for the general populous to choose to move forward; focus on the ideal a bit more (perhaps some ego dissolution?).

Oh, and thank you Asante for finding and posting this provocative and educational video! Makes me glad to log in in the morning when I see stuff like this.


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: Asante]
    #22061926 - 08/08/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The majority of YOUR ancestors since the dawn of modern man, 210,000 years ago were black people living in Africa qman, isnt that awesome? :awesome:




I think learning about human history is awesome, the fact that early humans started in Africa is just fine.

https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2009/05/05/the-birth-of-the-caucasian-race/





You asshole, linking us to a racist site!

Are you blind? They have links called

Ethnic Nationalism: Good For Jews, Bad For White Gentiles

And right in the second paragraph they call someone a (genetic/racial) throwback.

Thats a fucking neonazi site, is that where you get your objective information?

I been on a stormfront type site thanks to you :badmanthisfeels:





"That's a fucking neonazi site"

:lolwut:

"White nationalists are furious about this...It's just too offensive to imagine that Grandpa may have been an ni..er.  Yet obviously he was."

That's a statement making fun of "white nationalists", I don't know what you're even talking about.


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: qman]
    #22061949 - 08/08/15 09:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

forced sergregation works great!


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #22062284 - 08/08/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Can't we change caucasians into Europeans?
You know, we have Asians, Latino's, Africans... much better.


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: Turtletotem]
    #22062297 - 08/08/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

caucasians is a strange word. Its like asians except with a cauc :omgz:

Most "caucasians" don't consider people from the caucasus mountains typical white people (cause thats what we're talking about)

Europeans sounds fine to me.

"European American"


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22062323 - 08/08/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I agree with about 90% of everything he stated.
I didn't find it very racially motivated, you should have watched the whole thing, he uses the race as a buildup to his prime objective.

Good post. :thumbup:



I did watch the majority of it. I can come back completely sober if it'd make you feel better. The video is just more bullshit propaganda.

Why do "minorities" have a lower educational achievement and higher incarceration rate? Did it ever occur to anyone that their culture dictates they shun school and become gangsters? Or that people of those minorities deviating from those "norms" are shunned by the others of their race? Practically every single "truth" he drops can be debunked as the problem THEY have created for THEMSELVES.

It's just more propaganda.

This isn't pre-70's/80's anymore. Everything they blame everyone else for, is their own doing. They all have the equal opportunity to rise above it. They choose not to, and not only do they not choose to, they ridicule anyone else who does. Go talk to Malcom, he'll give you first hand experience, he's shared it here, but he's not the only person I've heard it from.

They choose the life they have.




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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: Stonehenge] * 1
    #22062378 - 08/08/15 11:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

"Minorities" don't generally have lower educational achievement and higher incarceration rate.  Some do, others don't.

I'm white, I dropped out of high school and have been arrested and locked up multiple times.  I am doing my part to promote equality.  :wink:


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: DieCommie]
    #22062413 - 08/08/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

White people were central Asian, it is all hair splitting. We are all Atlantians in the end.


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22062436 - 08/08/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Not me.  I'm reptilian.  Ask anybody who has met me.


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22062452 - 08/08/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You're not rich enough to be reptilian :ohyou:


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: Asante]
    #22062460 - 08/08/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Not all reptiles are hella rich


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22062539 - 08/08/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

White people went all sorts of places, as did black people, and none of us exactly resemble the white/black people of that time we are all mixtures of those groups which probably did have some level of hostility towards each-other but inevitably fucked from time to time.  There's no such thing as a pure race because we are all products of this same process, there are groups with limited genetic diversity but few people are going to be proud of that.  It's just not the case that there is any sort of larger benefit there to a lineage with less diversity, especially if it relies on superficial characteristics like social status, wealth, or skin color to make selections.

What I feel pretty sure about is that whatever benefits pale skinned people had, whether they came to be that way purely through natural selection or out of some fixation on pale skin and intentional sexual selection, it isn't relevant to us in the way that racism makes it out to be.  In the context of modern society it is important that we have shared values and respect for each-other, not just to be happy as individuals but to ensure human survival.  I want to be part of the group that puts this before anything, not the group that thinks the way things once were is the way things always should be. 

Like racism that is an ideology and alot of people get hung up there and even say that anti-racism is truly racist against white people, or something like that, but to me it is a simple statement of the shared values that lead people to fight for the rights and respect that most people will agree we all deserve, but some just see it as impossible to extend these rights to everyone.  It bothers me when people go around calling oppressed people entitled, but when it comes to the protection of their own welfare and sense of entitlement suddenly it is everyone's responsibility to protect them and respect their interests as sacrosanct.


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22062568 - 08/08/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Purity in genes and race is pretty stupid. They did that in India, and so bad genetics just pop up out of nowhere sometimes. Variability is a powerful tool for dealing with changing environments


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22062702 - 08/08/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah well they're not alone in that, but that is really just a small part of a bigger picture.  It's a worldwide trend that there is some sort of elite that maintains that they are the ones who epitomize humanity, and their lot in life is somehow more significant.  People seem incapable of recognizing this when they are the ones in this position, but they're almost always proven wrong in the end. 

In the end the notion of belonging to some superior group within your group is a mental trap that puts severe limits on your own choices, and the people that your choices effect.  This sort of greater consciousness is the real revolution going on the way I see it, where stepping on other people's backs to clamor for some illusory status is the evidence of a primitive race.


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