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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: Asante]
    #22057693 - 08/07/15 10:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I didn't watch it, but Asante posted this and it's a race topic, so I know I'll disagree. 'Mostly wrong' gets my vote.


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22057727 - 08/07/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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So the people that antagonize the social structures that allow for racism are white apologists, not the people who sympathize with white supremacist organizations?  Ok buddy :rolleyes:

The video talked about white on white racism.  Do you want to talk about any specific aspect of the video or is this a completely unrelated rant?



Did you watch the whole thing?  Tell the truth.  By the way his historical musings were correct but he left out that slavery was a well established practice in Africe before whitey ever showed up.


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 2
    #22057797 - 08/07/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm OK being white. I wouldn't mind if I was born otherwise though, all things being equal as far as discrimination. They aren't, but in this context.
White people are the last race to the scene, by the way. We came from central Asians, who came from black Africans. It can be shown through gene mutations that are testable. I don't know where I'm going with this. It is mildly interesting to me


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: D.M.T] * 2
    #22057842 - 08/07/15 10:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I didn't watch it, but Asante posted this and it's a race topic, so I know I'll disagree.





Thank you for defining "prejudiced".

Unless you are a member of the wealthy elite, making your millions off exploiting your workers at minimum wage and without any benefit you can legally fuck them out of, its pretty daft disagreeing with this video.

Zappa is rich (not implying you stiff your employees) but its pretty hilarious seeing you poor motherfuckers up in arms against this.

Fuck, I think even a neonazi would get that this video is about classism, not racism. You're so obsessed with not letting black people have anything that you're not realizing you're being screwed from above.


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: zappaisgod] * 4
    #22057861 - 08/07/15 10:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I watched the whole thing with my bile rising


Most people who are poor are because of their personal failings or because they are just starting in the workforce or have babies they can't afford.  This guy is full of shit.

Quoting Van Jones?  I think not.  Who is this asshole?




Or, they got sick since, in America, medical bills are becoming the largest cause of bankruptcies.

And considering real wage growth has been stunted people who work 40 hours a week can still struggle to meet basic needs.

So while the overly simplistic view of "poor people deserve to be poor because #reasons!" there are a variety of economic and social factors at play that require actual nuance to recognize.


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So the people that antagonize the social structures that allow for racism are white apologists, not the people who sympathize with white supremacist organizations?  Ok buddy :rolleyes:

The video talked about white on white racism.  Do you want to talk about any specific aspect of the video or is this a completely unrelated rant?



Did you watch the whole thing?  Tell the truth.  By the way his historical musings were correct but he left out that slavery was a well established practice in Africe before whitey ever showed up.




And for a people who thought they were oh so more civilized than the barbaric savages they traded other human beings with, you would think they would have maybe tried to be BETTER than those savages instead of continuing the institution and then placing social/legal/and economic barriers in the way of progress once the institution was banned.

Alas, barbarism can still exist even with fancy belt-buckles and gun powder so c'est la vie.

I honestly wonder what people are attempting to accomplish when they use this argument anyway. "Slavery existed other places too!" It's like an 8 year giving a reason for why they were caught with their hand in the cookie jar. "Timmy took a cookie!" Only it's coming from the mouth of an adult. So. Weird.

And further more, I find the assertion completely disingenuous and an obvious derailment as I never see these people promoting activist work against the current slavery in the Middle East and Africa now, or the sex slavery in Europe and the United States; which leads me to believe that they don't give two shits about human suffering AT ALL, they're just wanting to deflect from what they perceive as a personal attack against THEM.

It's so transparent and intellectually lazy it's almost kind of sad.

The fact of the matter is that race-baiting works VERY well. It's how you convince a bunch of poor people to vote against their own best interest economically by insinuating that THOSE OTHER PEOPLE are taking all of their benefits. And they don't realize these people view them with the same disdain but know fully well how to pander to their sense of entitlement, narcissism, and ignorance.

As far as people having children they can't afford? I agree whole-heartedly with that. I think there need to be economic, psychological, and education-based evaluations before someone is permitted to have a child (or 6). With all of the ways we have to prevent pregnancies, for both men and women, unplanned/ill-planned pregnancies should be a thing of the past. But the right to reproduce, is just that, a right. So, do we propose outlandish policies that would never fly OR do we attempt to create the best infrastructure and education system possible such that all children, regardless of income of their parents, are capable of becoming citizens who contribute to the overall well being of our Republic?


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22057914 - 08/07/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm OK being white. I wouldn't mind if I was born otherwise though, all things being equal as far as discrimination. They aren't, but in this context.
White people are the last race to the scene, by the way. We came from central Asians, who came from black Africans. It can be shown through gene mutations that are testable. I don't know where I'm going with this. It is mildly interesting to me




Would you mind showing me the data you used to determine this?


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22057936 - 08/07/15 10:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

White people only got white 7,000 years ago and the rest of your ancestors, since the dawn of modern humankind at 210,000 years ago, have been black.

So thats the majority of yallzes ancestors you're talking about.


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: Asante]
    #22057981 - 08/07/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I didn't watch it, but Asante posted this and it's a race topic, so I know I'll disagree.





Thank you for defining "prejudiced".

Unless you are a member of the wealthy elite, making your millions off exploiting your workers at minimum wage and without any benefit you can legally fuck them out of, its pretty daft disagreeing with this video.

Zappa is rich (not implying you stiff your employees) but its pretty hilarious seeing you poor motherfuckers up in arms against this.

Fuck, I think even a neonazi would get that this video is about classism, not racism. You're so obsessed with not letting black people have anything that you're not realizing you're being screwed from above.


:Trollface:




I was not born rich.  I've been poor.  I've seen other people in exactly my income bracket and work position at that time do stupid shit over and over again. 

Not one of my emplyees made minimum wage and sometimes they made more money than me.  They also worked less hours than I did and got more vacations.  Do you know why they got more vacations?  Because if I took off they were out of work, too.  The company could not function without me.  It is the nature of the business.  Unless you have an equally competent partner you can't leave.  I never did.


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #22057991 - 08/07/15 11:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

at least he was right about the media being owned by 6 corporations.


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: Asante]
    #22058012 - 08/07/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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White people only got white 7,000 years ago and the rest of your ancestors, since the dawn of modern humankind at 210,000 years ago, have been black.

So thats the majority of yallzes ancestors you're talking about.




"suggesting that at least some humans lived considerably longer than thought in Europe before losing the dark pigmentation"


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: qman]
    #22058027 - 08/07/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The majority of YOUR ancestors since the dawn of modern man, 210,000 years ago were black people living in Africa qman, isnt that awesome? :awesome:


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: dionysiandame]
    #22058037 - 08/07/15 11:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
I watched the whole thing with my bile rising


Most people who are poor are because of their personal failings or because they are just starting in the workforce or have babies they can't afford.  This guy is full of shit.

Quoting Van Jones?  I think not.  Who is this asshole?




Or, they got sick since, in America, medical bills are becoming the largest cause of bankruptcies.




That sounds like complete bullshit.  I know thousands of people and not one has ever had to declare bankruptcy because of medical bills.  They aint all rich, either
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And considering real wage growth has been stunted people who work 40 hours a week can still struggle to meet basic needs.




Why does it have to grow?  I struggled when I started.  People who work 40 hours a week and struggle need to improve their skills and not make stupid indulgent decisions
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So while the overly simplistic view of "poor people deserve to be poor because #reasons!" there are a variety of economic and social factors at play that require actual nuance to recognize.




Nuance?
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moonrockmushy said:
So the people that antagonize the social structures that allow for racism are white apologists, not the people who sympathize with white supremacist organizations?  Ok buddy :rolleyes:

The video talked about white on white racism.  Do you want to talk about any specific aspect of the video or is this a completely unrelated rant?



Did you watch the whole thing?  Tell the truth.  By the way his historical musings were correct but he left out that slavery was a well established practice in Africe before whitey ever showed up.




And for a people who thought they were oh so more civilized than the barbaric savages they traded other human beings with, you would think they would have maybe tried to be BETTER than those savages instead of continuing the institution and then placing social/legal/and economic barriers in the way of progress once the institution was banned.

Alas, barbarism can still exist even with fancy belt-buckles and gun powder so c'est la vie.

I honestly wonder what people are attempting to accomplish when they use this argument anyway. "Slavery existed other places too!" It's like an 8 year giving a reason for why they were caught with their hand in the cookie jar. "Timmy took a cookie!" Only it's coming from the mouth of an adult. So. Weird.

And further more, I find the assertion completely disingenuous and an obvious derailment as I never see these people promoting activist work against the current slavery in the Middle East and Africa now, or the sex slavery in Europe and the United States; which leads me to believe that they don't give two shits about human suffering AT ALL, they're just wanting to deflect from what they perceive as a personal attack against THEM.

It's so transparent and intellectually lazy it's almost kind of sad.




Slavery has been in existence throughout human history.  Whining about Negro slaves in America is disingenuous shaming.  Do you know how many Caucasians died in the Civil War fighting for Negroes? 
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The fact of the matter is that race-baiting works VERY well. It's how you convince a bunch of poor people to vote against their own best interest economically by insinuating that THOSE OTHER PEOPLE are taking all of their benefits. And they don't realize these people view them with the same disdain but know fully well how to pander to their sense of entitlement, narcissism, and ignorance.


  Race baiting works for the Al Sharpton scum of the world.  Without it they would have no income
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As far as people having children they can't afford? I agree whole-heartedly with that. I think there need to be economic, psychological, and education-based evaluations before someone is permitted to have a child (or 6). With all of the ways we have to prevent pregnancies, for both men and women, unplanned/ill-planned pregnancies should be a thing of the past. But the right to reproduce, is just that, a right. So, do we propose outlandish policies that would never fly OR do we attempt to create the best infrastructure and education system possible such that all children, regardless of income of their parents, are capable of becoming citizens who contribute to the overall well being of our Republic?




1.  Do you want a government bureaucrat deciding who can and who can't have children?  "Permitted to have childre?"  Really.  I got an idea.  Stop the welfare payments and they;ll get their head out of their ass.
2.  We have methods to prevent pregnancy.  We have no methods to prevent stupidity
3.  The government sucks at education because they have allowed unions to take over schools


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: 404]
    #22058038 - 08/07/15 11:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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at least he was right about the media being owned by 6 corporations.




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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: Asante] * 1
    #22058043 - 08/07/15 11:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I watched the whole thing. I thought it was awesome. I feel like his main point eluded me but the whole thing was interesting, well presented and engaging and informative.

Can someone sum up his main point in one or  two sentences?

I mean what I got is "Black people have been oppressed, we are all one, we should not be racist" along with a short history of race relations in the USA.


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: Asante]
    #22058081 - 08/07/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The majority of YOUR ancestors since the dawn of modern man, 210,000 years ago were black people living in Africa qman, isnt that awesome? :awesome:




I think learning about human history is awesome, the fact that early humans started in Africa is just fine.

https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2009/05/05/the-birth-of-the-caucasian-race/


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: zappaisgod] * 2
    #22058394 - 08/07/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Race baiting works for the Al Sharpton scum of the world.  Without it they would have no income




I'm trying to figure out what Al Sharpton has to do with any of this. First, the man has been completely irrelevant for years now and second, he has no input into domestic or foreign policy. Oh I know! Because I'm black obviously I idolize the man who has done little to actually help the countless black women and children harmed in our communities while parading "causes" that allow rapists and murderers of said women and children to go free. I don't. Referencing Rev. Hot Comb means nothing to me so this was a miss.

But, once again, you don't care about any of that. You  were hoping to score a "point" based off of your assumptions. Yawn.

You need to brush up on who the actual movers and shakers are so you can get up-to-date references.


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1.  Do you want a government bureaucrat deciding who can and who can't have children?  "Permitted to have childre?"  Really.  I got an idea.  Stop the welfare payments and they;ll get their head out of their ass.
2.  We have methods to prevent pregnancy.  We have no methods to prevent stupidity
3.  The government sucks at education because they have allowed unions to take over schools




I guess you missed this part of my post while you were busy exercising that non-stupidity that somehow translates into lack of reading comprehension - "But the right to reproduce, is just that, a right. So, do we propose outlandish policies that would never fly OR do we attempt to create the best infrastructure and education system possible such that all children, regardless of income of their parents, are capable of becoming citizens who contribute to the overall well being of our Republic?"

Which means, I'm completely capable of acknowledging when my own personal thoughts on a matter don't work with the current reality. "Unions are the problem!" I...don't even have time to debunk this and considering your sloppy responses so far, the effort supplied would not be worth whatever [sarcasm] nuggets of wisdom [/sarcasm] you would bestow

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Slavery has been in existence throughout human history.  Whining about Negro slaves in America is disingenuous shaming.  Do you know how many Caucasians died in the Civil War fighting for Negroes? 




Just as many Caucasians who died to ensure I would never be viewed as a human being? And "Negroes" (as you so lovingly call us) fought for freedom, and this country as a whole, as well. Though I suppose you feel I am not expressing the due amount of gratitude Caucasians deserve. So while on one hand you want people to stop "whining" about the "debbil white man" (or whatever) you want people to applaud them as a GROUP for the actions of individuals.

So which one is it? You don't get to say "we're all individuals" when it's some kid shooting up a school or a church but then claim some kind of owed-affinity-based-worship when some uppity negress (myself) doesn't recognize who she should thank for her ability to read, write, and use the internet.

Also, is anyone...even whining? What's done is done. Slavery is over. The race based assumptions of inferiority based on phenotype however, are alive and well and effecting the way some people endanger themselves through their political choices. Anyway, considering how I never stated, in my post, that people should feel ashamed of anything I fail to see where you got this from. So I'm just going to acknowledge you said words and consider this exchange complete.


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: Asante]
    #22058440 - 08/07/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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D.M.T said:
I didn't watch it, but Asante posted this and it's a race topic, so I know I'll disagree.





Thank you for defining "prejudiced".

Unless you are a member of the wealthy elite, making your millions off exploiting your workers at minimum wage and without any benefit you can legally fuck them out of, its pretty daft disagreeing with this video.

Zappa is rich (not implying you stiff your employees) but its pretty hilarious seeing you poor motherfuckers up in arms against this.

Fuck, I think even a neonazi would get that this video is about classism, not racism. You're so obsessed with not letting black people have anything that you're not realizing you're being screwed from above.


:Trollface:



I don't know what I'm missing in the video if I don't watch it, and thus life goes on. I think it's better that way.

My employees get paid well by the way, moreso than virtually all doing comparable work in my region.


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: dionysiandame]
    #22058444 - 08/07/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

We are not simply that. Tribalism is deep and people want to separate themselves into groups, an from them as well. If we were all clones, but some just happened to have dark hair and some light, there would be conflict somewhere.


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #22058468 - 08/07/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Not one of my emplyees made minimum wage and sometimes they made more money than me.  They also worked less hours than I did and got more vacations.  Do you know why they got more vacations?  Because if I took off they were out of work, too.  The company could not function without me.  It is the nature of the business.  Unless you have an equally competent partner you can't leave.  I never did.



It's similar here with agriculture. Since I began this farm 2015 may be the first year I struggle to catch a profit after the rainiest summer since 1871 has stunted crops a few weeks behind where they should be, brought new pests and diseases, and weeds since there is no form of control you can apply in wet weather.

So guess who will be taking the loss? It isn't the people working for me or my customers.


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Re: RACE BAITING 101 [Re: qman] * 1
    #22058489 - 08/07/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Asante said:
The majority of YOUR ancestors since the dawn of modern man, 210,000 years ago were black people living in Africa qman, isnt that awesome? :awesome:




I think learning about human history is awesome, the fact that early humans started in Africa is just fine.

https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2009/05/05/the-birth-of-the-caucasian-race/





You asshole, linking us to a racist site!

Are you blind? They have links called

Ethnic Nationalism: Good For Jews, Bad For White Gentiles

And right in the second paragraph they call someone a (genetic/racial) throwback.

Thats a fucking neonazi site, is that where you get your objective information?

I been on a stormfront type site thanks to you :badmanthisfeels:


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