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Re: What makes a 'good' person? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22082746 - 08/12/15 06:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I agree, that's pretty much what I said at the start of this thread!

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It is my personal belief that through meditation, and thus a quieting of the distractions of thought, that one can realise that all that the awakened consciousness desires is kindness and compassion towards your fellow human. I think 'good' or 'bad' is a judgement, and an awakened consciousness has no need for judgement. Things just are as they are.




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Re: What makes a 'good' person? *DELETED* [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22082829 - 08/12/15 06:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: What makes a 'good' person? [Re: nhbeleni]
    #22083576 - 08/12/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You guys did raise an interesting point.  I try to be a good person, and in my own case, that basically just means I never intentionally try to hurt others in any way (physically, emotionally, etc).  I'm actually really good at it too lol, if I don't get along with someone or someone makes me upset I usually tend to withdraw and avoid them rather than cause drama and create conflict.  Even if people are bad to me (or others) in some way, I still usually don't wish badly on them, but rather I just want to remove myself from their presence instead.  Honestly, and this is gonna sound weird, but I don't think I can even "get back" at people (by yelling or whatever) even if it was warranted for me to stand my ground and yell back I just like, can't :/

Anyway I was gonna say about the empathy thing, I think it's funny because even though I doubt most people I know would really have anything negative to say about me (in regards to being a good or bad person) I also think most people that don't know me well enough probably wouldn't have a lot of good to say either.  That's just an assumption, but I'm not really "friendly" I guess, in that I smile all the time and make kindhearted chatter and things like that with people, so I think some people actually do assume I might be a bad person, I dunno.  It's weird cuz even though I'm not a smiley or chatty person at all, I usually take kindly to people who are (and also don't shut down when I'm not super chatty back right away).

In casual social situations like that I don't really think you can really tell if a person is good or bad.  I'd say more often than not people like that are probably decent, but there are definitely some cold people who are just really good at acting that way, or some people who aren't necessarily cold and do enjoy socializing like that, yet still are ultimately selfish and sorta careless.  If I had to judge someone on good vs bad, I'd need to legitimately test their character first.

With that said, I'm reminded of something I read recently, probably a quote from somewhere on this site maybe, it was like "in the old days it used to be about character, but today it's more about personality" and that resonated with me since I tend to agree with it, and it does seem we put an emphasis on personality and charisma and go so far to even judge people's character based off their personality alone.  I think integrity would be another word I'd use to represent good character.


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Re: What makes a 'good' person? [Re: extreme]
    #22084095 - 08/13/15 12:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

In the time since I originally posted I have had some more thoughts regarding the topic.
It's apparent to me that everything is subjective in the sense that there is no universal definition of good. IS fighters believe to be doing good in the name of their religion so by their own standard they are the good in the world and all the non-believers are not so. If this is the case and there is no universal definition of good versus evil one can examine common elements regardless of perspective. The human psyche seems to treasure attributes such as loyalty, kindness and willingness to put oneself out for others. A quote comes to mind
"Look at how a man treats not his equal but his inferiors"
My father always used to tell me this and it is something that has resonated in my mind, I've noticed that true power and courage is having the power whether it be physical, emotional, monetary etc and using it for good as well as having the power to act selfishly but choosing not to.

One of the hallmarks of a man I believe is doing this, in a situation were someone provokes a reaction but you choose to take the higher route and not obliterate the little punk for joking about the death of your loved one. Obviously I've used a personal example but the point is to take the route of morality not for them but for yourself because it takes true strength to restrain ones primal instincts instead of showing psuedo-power in the form of violence.

In response to the poster who lacks empathy for others, I think it's easy to be indifferent to others suffering in the world we live in. We are inherently in constant competition with one another with jobs, housing, partners etc but I think this removes one of the most vital aspects of human interaction which is to feel for another pain and to empathise with them. If people cared more about each other than they did about their differences the world would be a much better place. Capitalism furthers this as it forces us to be in constant competitions with each other and determines our life worth based on our success in terms of wealth. One of the experiences I've had that has shaped my view on success is when a man came to speak to us at school in late high school. The man was scruffy, had a long beard and a withered face, my first inclination was to scorn this man who was in-front of us and I questioned why he was going to talk to us as if his appearance which admittedly was not the picture of success as I determined his worth based on his appearance. He began to talk to us about his life and passion and it dawned on me that success is perspective, this man was as fulfilled and content with his life as any one could be. Wealth is not a measure of success but really, the contentment that we derive from our daily live and the difference we make in each others life's and the world. There is a Buddhist teaching which tells us that the moment is eternal, if this is the case then the moment is the only one that matters, the present is the only thing that really exists the past and future are just figments of our imagination. My point is that if people dedicated there lives to making a difference in others, working for pleasure not for profit and not looking to fuck over everyone to get every cent the world would again be a better place.

I got lost on a tangent but these are just thoughts that I like to put to print as it validates them for me.


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Re: What makes a 'good' person? [Re: Ilift]
    #22084133 - 08/13/15 12:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

um no.  Isis intention is to kill other humans, christians in particular. even by beheading them.  that is not good, it is totally radical and horrid.  They know they are bad people, they use their religion as an EXCUSE to cause harm.

Our god says that killing is bad, and we should treat others with honor and love one another. He also teaches us forgiveness. "Forgive us our trespass, as we forgive those who trespass against us." 

derp. kill americans and be rewarded with 70 virgins in heaven or some dumb shit they persuade suicidal idiots to believe. shit I could make the defective believe anything if I really wanted to.


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Re: What makes a 'good' person? [Re: Ilift]
    #22084140 - 08/13/15 12:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

One word. Perspective.


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Re: What makes a 'good' person? [Re: sprinkles]
    #22084388 - 08/13/15 01:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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um no.  Isis intention is to kill other humans, christians in particular. even by beheading them.  that is not good, it is totally radical and horrid.  They know they are bad people, they use their religion as an EXCUSE to cause harm.

Our god says that killing is bad, and we should treat others with honor and love one another. He also teaches us forgiveness. "Forgive us our trespass, as we forgive those who trespass against us." 

derp. kill americans and be rewarded with 70 virgins in heaven or some dumb shit they persuade suicidal idiots to believe. shit I could make the defective believe anything if I really wanted to.




Lol you clearly don't understand religious fundamentalism. ISIS is inspired by the quaran which they take literally, the problem is fundamentalists provide a much more realistic interpretation of Islam as they take the religion according to the book. In their perspective they are doing good work.


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Re: What makes a 'good' person? [Re: Ilift]
    #22084395 - 08/13/15 01:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Tldr. Using paragraphs makes good people.


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Re: What makes a 'good' person? [Re: Ilift]
    #22084423 - 08/13/15 01:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

they are not normal muslims.  those are radicals.

Lol beheading people is not doing "good work."  or stoning virgins or women who have been victims of rape or crimes by perpetrated by others. 

all they have to do is put down the coffee and pick up alcohol.  but they will not.  that seperates them from their god (and that is true).  but they wouldnt be as angry of people if they did so.


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Re: What makes a 'good' person? [Re: sprinkles]
    #22084471 - 08/13/15 02:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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they are not normal muslims.  those are radicals.

Lol beheading people is not doing "good work."  or stoning virgins or women who have been victims of rape or crimes by perpetrated by others. 

all they have to do is put down the coffee and pick up alcohol.  but they will not.  that seperates them from their god (and that is true).  but they wouldnt be as angry of people if they did so.




I think you are misunderstanding the point im making. Im not saying it is good work, I am saying from their perspective they believe that it is good because they are brainwashed into believing that their god wants them to do this. My point I was making is that, they don't just come up with these laws it's in the quaran, one could argue that they are more muslim than one who does not fight the infidel etc.

Oh yeah, another thing don't give me this Christian moral highground garbage, I won't derail the thread so I won't elaborate but before you act all holy and special, please realise there are allot of people who don't accept your religion to be true and will reply in a lot more offensive terms what I am saying now. :smile:


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Re: What makes a 'good' person? [Re: sprinkles]
    #22084503 - 08/13/15 02:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Lol beheading people is not doing "good work."  or stoning virgins or women who have been victims of rape or crimes by perpetrated by others.




That's your opinion. In their opinion it is. As Ilift says, they've been brainwashed into believing this. They believe they are doing 'Gods' work, which is, I suspect for anyone who believes in a god of an organised religion, 'good' work. It doesn't mean they're right/good/bad/whatever. They just are.

You know it wasn't that long ago that beheading people was common practice the world over.


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Re: What makes a 'good' person? [Re: sprinkles]
    #22084849 - 08/13/15 04:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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comes down to basically this..

a good person improves others lives.


A bad person makes others existence more difficult.  Life is difficult enough without assholes making it harder.  If it were up to me I'd just put those people to sleep (like dogs that bite).  Telling them I believe in reincarnation & come back with a better attitude next time.



Or inject them with DMT?


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Re: What makes a 'good' person? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22089614 - 08/13/15 11:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

we are all a product of what we are conditioned to believe.  if you raise a child and feed it nothing but information about how cows are their gods they will grow up to believe that cows are their gods.  they dont know any different.


they just hate us because we're white and believe differently than they do.  Plus we are fat, arrogant and lazy. Plus consume everything while telling other countries what they should or should not do. and we get in their business and take whatever side we have more to gain from.  I dont understand why anyone would hate america at all.


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Re: What makes a 'good' person? [Re: sprinkles]
    #22089624 - 08/13/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Exactly.

"There is no absurdity so palpable but that it may be firmly planted in the human head if you only begin to inculcate it before the age of five, by constantly repeating it with an air of great solemnity."


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