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Hay smell?
    #22054978 - 08/06/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So some plants hae been chopped and trimmed, somedone on monday night some last night. I noticed today that some of the buds had a hay smell to them. This is supposed to go away right? I suggested that they be contained with boveda 62 humidipaks to slowly dry and cure them. Will the hay smell go away?


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Re: Hay smell? [Re: 404]
    #22055235 - 08/06/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hay smell usually means a premature harvest, or bad genetics.

It may get slightly better with more time. Maybe not.

Don't put them in jars unless they are fairly dried out, but not bone dry.

Never used humidity packs, so no thoughts on those, other than they aren't needed for a good cure at all.


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Re: Hay smell? [Re: 404]
    #22055873 - 08/06/15 10:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I like to use brown paper bags as an intermediary step between hanging them out to dry and placing them in jars. The smell will improve, but some phenotypes just don't smell very good and never will no matter how long you cure. If you grow out enough girls from seed, eventually you will find that phenotype that smells and tastes good. Unfortunately, sometimes you get those phenotypes that just smell like hay and cat piss. As the above poster mentioned, it can be caused by bagging/jarring up the nugs too soon., when they're still too wet.


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Re: Hay smell? [Re: prismism]
    #22056225 - 08/07/15 12:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

ah so you ant them to dry  longer? how can you tell by the stem at what point of moisture pressure they are at? is 62% rh good enough to dry them at or what?


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Re: Hay smell? [Re: 404]
    #22056684 - 08/07/15 05:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hay smell is also indicative of possible mold contamination. Check your buds for cobweb mold.


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Re: Hay smell? [Re: 404] * 1
    #22068821 - 08/09/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The smell of hay is caused by the chlorophyll in the plant. If you dry long enough you can get rid of the smell, and eventually, after curing, the flower's true smell will come through. If you dry too long, however, your flowers will never have a chance to cure. You know you've over-dried if your flowers turn to powder when breaking them up. As I said before though, sometimes you just get stuck with genetics that don't have a very appealing smell and taste. It happens a lot of the time.


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Re: Hay smell? [Re: prismism]
    #22069010 - 08/09/15 07:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i thought you wanted to dry them for long periods of time? currently the buds are in tupperware containers and tins with the boveda 62's so i can pretty much guess that the rh in the containers is 62%. some were still kind of drying considering when i posted the OP it had only been a day or two


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    #22069118 - 08/09/15 07:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

My RH is usually in the 50s. The time it takes them to dry can vary depending on the humidity, but I don't worry about RH too much, you can judge the dryness by eye and touch. For me, I manicure then hang them in a large cardboard box with holes for three to four days. After that I chop the flowers off the stem and put them all in brown paper bags to continue drying. The bags help you to catch that exact moment when they are just right to jar up. They can be in those bags for a week or longer. I shake them up daily and check to see their progress. When the stems inside the largest nugs are dry to the point of snapping when bent, that's about the optimal time to jar them. Hope that helps.


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Re: Hay smell? [Re: prismism]
    #22069139 - 08/09/15 07:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You will never get rid of the hay smell if you harvested prematurely.


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Re: Hay smell? [Re: El Torcho]
    #22069152 - 08/09/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

they weren't premature, at least most. i wish i could even say this was all my project but i can't.


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Re: Hay smell? [Re: El Torcho]
    #22069243 - 08/09/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You will never get rid of the hay smell if you harvested prematurely.




I'm not saying you're wrong, I've just never heard that before. Or experienced it first hand. What would be the reason for that?


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Re: Hay smell? [Re: prismism]
    #22069567 - 08/09/15 09:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I would not go above 55% RH, this prevents mold from growing.


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Re: Hay smell? [Re: invitro]
    #22069574 - 08/09/15 09:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

62% is ideal for curing. above 70 is when you start having to worry about mold iirc.


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Re: Hay smell? [Re: 404]
    #22069581 - 08/09/15 09:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Not in my experience.  You -can- succeed at 60, some of the time, but if you want not to worry about mold, go lower. 


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Re: Hay smell? [Re: prismism]
    #22070623 - 08/10/15 06:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm not saying you're wrong, I've just never heard that before. Or experienced it first hand. What would be the reason for that?




The cannabinoid secondary plant metabolites and terpenes haven't fully developed yet in an immature plant, and are still in the pre-cursor stage, leaving you with more of a vegetative smell. In other words, the plant isn't at full maturity on the 'oils and resin' levels and you end up with a hayish smell instead of that potent bud smell.

I've never done it to my own harvests.... but any bud that I purchase that smells hayish, I automatically know it's not gonna knock my socks off, so to speak. Even a lot of dispensaries/rec shops don't grow bud correctly, IMO.


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Re: Hay smell? [Re: El Torcho]
    #22088981 - 08/13/15 08:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Boveda packs are not good when drying apparently. He also ignored my advice on the paper bags and put them in sealed containers. Some of it got mold and he sold the good stuff before even asking me. Kinda pissed honestly, but what can you do? Kid owes me money too. I was hoping to have something to share with other people.


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Re: Hay smell? [Re: 404]
    #22089036 - 08/13/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Last time i work with anyone that doesn't really understand what they're doing. :niggawhat:


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