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Re: Evaluate this Flush. Identify the strain? [Re: azur]
    #22056232 - 08/07/15 12:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

coir was considered a casing material long before a bulk sub


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Re: Evaluate this Flush. Identify the strain? [Re: cronicr]
    #22056234 - 08/07/15 12:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I realize this.


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Re: Evaluate this Flush. Identify the strain? [Re: azur]
    #22056240 - 08/07/15 12:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i'm a peat and verm person myself, i like coir and verm as well but fuck peat is cheap shit lol


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Re: Evaluate this Flush. Identify the strain? [Re: cronicr]
    #22056249 - 08/07/15 12:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yea. Peat is probably the best. Jiffy is just too easy.


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Re: Evaluate this Flush. Identify the strain? [Re: azur]
    #22056673 - 08/07/15 04:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

One of these days I gonna have to bite the bullet on shipping and order some damn jiffy, just to see what all the fuss is about :lol:


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Re: Evaluate this Flush. Identify the strain? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22056725 - 08/07/15 05:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I know we're all different
we all have different dreams and aspirations
we live in different worlds with unique start and end points

but isn't peat a no-no in terms of fucking up unique environments that won't be replaced?

I know everyone's experiences of psilocybin differ and not everyone will feel a connection to the Earth
I know some people hate 'creepie crawlies' and birds and amphibians and reptiles

but shouldn't we, as a forward thinking progressive collection of souls, at least try to do things better, and be more 'we' than 'me'?


Sorry for the threadjack, just wondered what anyone else thought, when coir is so easy to use and cheap...


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Re: Evaluate this Flush. Identify the strain? [Re: keeno] * 1
    #22056734 - 08/07/15 05:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

yea, i have read that too, peat being non renewable (or at least, renewable but takes many many years).


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Re: Evaluate this Flush. Identify the strain? [Re: blindingleaf]
    #22059797 - 08/07/15 05:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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:eek:  interesting!

did the walls have spores all over them from that tub too?



The walls were surprisingly clean.


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Re: Evaluate this Flush. Identify the strain? [Re: azur]
    #22059811 - 08/07/15 05:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I think he was saying you cannot call coir a casing because of its nutritional value.
A casing, by definition is a non-nutritious layer. 
Btw, i once did a mini mono using jiffy mix as the substrate and got over an ounce off of it. Had one quart of rye




Exactly, pasty should know that. I guess you could say that the coir acted like a casing layer. But true casing has no nutritional value for the mushroom.

I guess the real test would be using coir as a casing on a species that requires a casing layer. Try it on some pan. or agaricus. See if it works


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Re: Evaluate this Flush. Identify the strain? [Re: tahoe]
    #22059821 - 08/07/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

the definition of a casing is a pinning aid, some species require specific bacteria in a casing layer, would you consider that non nutritious? maybe you can be a devils advocate on that but it's not non beneficiary. coir can benefit cubes though they don't need it. it's been used as a casing layer so you can't say it's not a casing. I can show you where it has been used as one. you can say what you want but :shrug: it's been done. it can be applied as a casing if done right and can be used as a substrate. and even both in the same grow.


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Re: Evaluate this Flush. Identify the strain? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22059848 - 08/07/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've grown pans with CV casing layers :shrug:


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Re: Evaluate this Flush. Identify the strain? [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #22059879 - 08/07/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, I would consider bacteria as non nutritious. I would consider it beneficial bacteria.
Anyways, this thread is not about whether or not coir is casing.


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Re: Evaluate this Flush. Identify the strain? [Re: tahoe]
    #22059912 - 08/07/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

what if the bacteria supply nutrition they derive from the casing layer

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Anyways, this thread is not about whether or not coir is casing.



it's what discussion led to.
what's on topic right now no one else is chiming in about the picture in the first post.



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Re: Evaluate this Flush. Identify the strain? [Re: tahoe]
    #22060020 - 08/07/15 06:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I think he was saying you cannot call coir a casing because of its nutritional value.
A casing, by definition is a non-nutritious layer. 
Btw, i once did a mini mono using jiffy mix as the substrate and got over an ounce off of it. Had one quart of rye




Exactly, pasty should know that. I guess you could say that the coir acted like a casing layer. But true casing has no nutritional value for the mushroom.

I guess the real test would be using coir as a casing on a species that requires a casing layer. Try it on some pan. or agaricus. See if it works




Pans only "require" as casing in the sense that it helps the cultivator provide the needed FAE without drying the substrate out. They do not need one in the same sense as agaricus which needs the casing to act as a platform to support the needed microbes for fruiting.

The only thing that would prevent a coir casing from working with agaricus would be the fact that microbial activity in it is already nil. Same reason why we don't need to worry about pasteurizing it.


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Re: Evaluate this Flush. Identify the strain? [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #22060120 - 08/07/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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the definition of a casing is a pinning aid, some species require specific bacteria in a casing layer, would you consider that non nutritious? maybe you can be a devils advocate on that but it's not non beneficiary. coir can benefit cubes though they don't need it. it's been used as a casing layer so you can't say it's not a casing. I can show you where it has been used as one. you can say what you want but :shrug: it's been done. it can be applied as a casing if done right and can be used as a substrate. and even both in the same grow.



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Re: Evaluate this Flush. Identify the strain? [Re: azur]
    #22060241 - 08/07/15 07:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

congratulations op, nice grow.:thumbup:


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Re: Evaluate this Flush. Identify the strain? [Re: azur]
    #22060351 - 08/07/15 07:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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the definition of a casing is a pinning aid, some species require specific bacteria in a casing layer, would you consider that non nutritious? maybe you can be a devils advocate on that but it's not non beneficiary. coir can benefit cubes though they don't need it. it's been used as a casing layer so you can't say it's not a casing. I can show you where it has been used as one. you can say what you want but :shrug: it's been done. it can be applied as a casing if done right and can be used as a substrate. and even both in the same grow.



Are you ever going to grow up?



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Re: Evaluate this Flush. Identify the strain? [Re: tahoe]
    #22060383 - 08/07/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Here is a picture I found online ;-). The substrate is 50/50 pasteurized horse poo and coir. Cased with pure peat moss with lime added for ph. Does this look healthy? Was it lacking o2 our humidity. Do you know the strain? I have been researching coir and so far I am not impressed.

Ooh yes, it appears that the bottom left corner has been picked.





my thoughts on wtf went wrong are simple, didn't' get his tub dialed in right and it happens to the best of us, you guys can argue semantics all ya want but coir can be used for a casing material, this is a fact just like verm can, just because somebody down the road described a casing material as non nutritious doesn't really mean shit, weather or not it has nutrition is besides the point


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Re: Evaluate this Flush. Identify the strain? [Re: cronicr]
    #22064551 - 08/08/15 09:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

cleaned up as promised...good enough for now


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