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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: Enlil] 1
#22064726 - 08/08/15 09:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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If it was meant as a joke then its not a threat
As many times as he said it, he meant to put Spots in fear.
maybe, or maybe he's just a shitty comedian who didn't realize his joke had been played out. it reads very much like the shit you would read in OTD, only it related to rape and instantly poof feminism kicks in and we have 'special privliges' being handed out. If the joke/threat was against a guy id estimate his chances of having been banned for that drops by at least 50%
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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: Enlil]
#22064743 - 08/08/15 10:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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404 said: ohhh ok. so you know then it was allowed in romper room right? up until recently that is when a couple members had meltdowns.
your arguments are pretty shit.
How many times do I have to say this: I DIDN'T BAN BASSFREAK. I wouldn't have banned him for that thread. I've said it a dozen times. I would have banned him for making threats of violence against another user dozens of times.
How can I make it more clear?
Bassfreak was not banned for a post in romper room or OTD. He was banned for a post in a user created forum. I don't know what the rule is in user created fora, so I don't know if harassment is allowed in them. Again....I didn't issue the ban.
LOL enlil. where did i say you banned bassfreak? NOWHERE. My comment was more in relation to rr and OTD. Is that clear to you now?
Again....I didn't say you issued the ban.
the predominant reason the RR was shut down was because of harrassment. i was once again making a point that you guys somehow allowed it for so long in a place that it was known that there would be offensive posts, just as it was with OTD. and that your argument that somehow that harrassment is OK just because it's in OTD doesn't hold up...
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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: Shroomslip]
#22064747 - 08/08/15 10:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shroomslip, I'm telling you...the rule against harassment doesn't apply in OTD. It hasn't for as long as I remember. I can only assume you haven't been in OTD very much, because if you had, you'd know this.
As far as a rule against threats of violence:
"Any post that has substantial potential of putting the site or any users/staff of the site at risk of legal liability may be deleted at the discretion of the staff. Particularly egregious posts falling under this rule such as death threats, false suicide alerts, solicitation of drugs, etc, may result in the poster being banned"
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/rules.php
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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: 404]
#22064753 - 08/08/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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404 said: My comment was more in relation to rr and OTD. Is that clear to you now?
Bassfreak was not banned for a post in RR or OTD. So what is your point?
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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22064762 - 08/08/15 10:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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If the joke/threat was against a guy id estimate his chances of having been banned for that drops by at least 50%
To disprove your point, he was banned for exactly NONE of those rape threats. He should have been permabanned. Eventually he was banned for a rape threat, but it was after those I linked.
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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: Enlil]
#22064764 - 08/08/15 10:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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here, i'll quote it since you got there before i could further specify in an edit.
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the predominant reason the RR was shut down was because of harrassment. i was once again making a point that you guys somehow allowed it for so long in a place that it was known that there would be offensive posts, just as it was with OTD. and that your argument that somehow that harrassment is OK just because it's in OTD doesn't hold up...
anyway, it's late and i'm kind of over and satisfied with everything that's come so far. wasn't really my place to hang out or post til recent, but i said what i thought on the matter.
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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: Enlil]
#22064779 - 08/08/15 10:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Shroomslip, I'm telling you...the rule against harassment doesn't apply in OTD. It hasn't for as long as I remember. I can only assume you haven't been in OTD very much, because if you had, you'd know this.
As far as a rule against threats of violence:
"Any post that has substantial potential of putting the site or any users/staff of the site at risk of legal liability may be deleted at the discretion of the staff. Particularly egregious posts falling under this rule such as death threats, false suicide alerts, solicitation of drugs, etc, may result in the poster being banned"
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/rules.php
This is part of my point. Sure the people who have been posting there forever know of this unspoken rule, but what about irregulars or new comers? Is everyone seriously supposed to run every comment by mods first to make sure they're okay for the first few weeks or whatever period is needed for them to adjust?
You can't just point to the site wide rule for threats of violence, say "see it's not acceptable, even in OTD" and then say that the site wide rule against harassment is invalid in OTD. That distinction is stated no where, not even in OTD's own rule thread. No one but people who post there regularly are going to even be vaguely aware of it. Furthermore OTD just breeds a sense of hostility, so the very nature of the forum lends itself to such things as rape jokes/threats.
I'm not trying to bust your balls, but you can't tell me that logically I have no point. You can't just assume every user knows every rule and the fine lines between them. Hell I wasn't even aware that there was a no pedo stuff rule in the pub until pretty recently and it got brought up in a thread. I even inquired as to why it needed to be stated outright as a rule rather than just assumed to be off limits given that we're not really allowed to do anything illegal here (figured there was some story behind it).
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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22064781 - 08/08/15 10:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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lets not forget he was banned for "encouraging suicide" not for making threats...
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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: 404]
#22064783 - 08/08/15 10:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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What does RR being shut down have to do with this? I thought we were talking about bassfreak's ban.
Y'all are trolling me anyway. Here are some facts:
1. Harassment is, and has been, allowed in OTD. 2. Bassfreak has been permabanned 3. Romper Room is gone 4. None of the above are likely to change anytime soon. 5. Rules should be clear and easy to find. 6. They're not.
That pretty much is all I have left to say.
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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: Enlil] 2
#22064794 - 08/08/15 10:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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you're really dense for a lawyer if you fail to see how the two events are related.
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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: Enlil]
#22064802 - 08/08/15 10:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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didn't someone tell zombie3 to kill himself? and that was in the pub and that guy lost his toes and almost died ontop of it and is in a hospital bed just saying the rules get very confusing sometimes. thats almost a perfect example of what i just mentioned, in that, if it was a guy, nobody would care/ special treatments seem to be goin on
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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: Enlil]
#22064813 - 08/08/15 10:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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404 said: My comment was more in relation to rr and OTD. Is that clear to you now?
Bassfreak was not banned for a post in RR or OTD. So what is your point?
Yeah he was banned in romper room 2.0
which there only rules is sitewide policy I have clearly brought this up in the fine ink
We not asking for much here, just more = treatmeant between members and mods than what has been going on lately
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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: SunnyD]
#22064842 - 08/08/15 10:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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This is what this convo feels like
I just remembered this, and it made me laugh, so I thought I put it here,
you know brighter the mood, with a little pun
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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: Enlil]
#22064870 - 08/08/15 10:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm not trolling you

Calm down don't lose your shit, officer jk 
but SIte wide policy is site wide, that includes OTD n RR and any forum on this site
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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: SunnyD]
#22064883 - 08/08/15 10:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Calm down don't lose your shit, officer jk 
but SIte wide policy is site wide, that includes OTD n RR and any forum on this site
Those places have/had staff approved exceptions to certain site wide rules and policies. No UC forum to my knowledge has those staff approved permissions.
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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: Rose]
#22064905 - 08/08/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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so RR is less hardcore(more rules) than OTD?
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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: SurReality]
#22064911 - 08/08/15 10:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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RR is gone.
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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: Enlil] 3
#22065012 - 08/08/15 11:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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i mean look at it this way, the chances of bassreak actually raping someone is like 1 in a million since he didn't even know where she lived since he was asking and most likely joking.
but with zombie3 he was prolly depressed, maybe already suicidal, so in that case it really didn't even matter if it was a joke and the way it was written had a semi serious tone to it. he come out better than expected so maybe he was in high spirits but really who knows. seems to me someone telling him to kill himself is 1000000x more dangerous as its way more likely for something bad to happen from it as well as put the site at risk. and to say that in the state he was in was pretty fucked up. zombie dude got banned basically right when it was mentioned so we have no idea how he took it.....and he couldn't report it cuss he got banned 
i dunno i guess im just like the other people, things should be enforced more equally because clearly its not
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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: Rose]
#22065055 - 08/08/15 11:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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AddyZomeD said: I'm not trolling you

Calm down don't lose your shit, officer jk 
but SIte wide policy is site wide, that includes OTD n RR and any forum on this site
Those places have/had staff approved exceptions to certain site wide rules and policies. No UC forum to my knowledge has those staff approved permissions.
So its okay for mods to do behaviors that would make a regular member perma banned for?
They have said virtual identical suicide encouraging ( both were joking ) except one was in romper2 n other n OTD
both in violation of site wide policy, but one gets perma banned and the other not even a warning 
Un ban bassfreak, I wont keep prying to unban him
but I will debate until no more intelligent discussion wil ensue
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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: SunnyD] 2
#22065133 - 08/08/15 11:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dude, I don't really care if he is banned for all eternity, and I am one who tends to defend our most troublesome members.
The guy kept saying violent shit to women, promising he would stop, getting his bans lifted, and returning to the woman bashing. It was uncanny and unfunny. Hell, it was creepy and pathological. His redeeming qualities paled in comparison to his flaws.
He didn't even change it up and try to find new ways to get banned, like telling Ythan to go fuck himself or something.
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