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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: 404]
#22064625 - 08/08/15 09:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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404 said: i'm talking about you chief. "sprinkles should be murdered with a knife"
That's not a threat.
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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: Enlil] 2
#22064626 - 08/08/15 09:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm sure he was joking, have you seen bassfreak thrown in jail several times for violent acts?
I don't care if he was joking.. Threatening violence on a user dozens of times over the course of a year is a crime, dude. He should have been permabanned long ago.
I don't care that you were joking  I don't, though, and I don't want you banned,
but this is a double standard
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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: Enlil] 1
#22064628 - 08/08/15 09:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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404 said: i'm talking about you chief. "sprinkles should be murdered with a knife"
That's not a threat.
the sentiment is pretty much the same.
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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: Enlil]
#22064630 - 08/08/15 09:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Enlil said:
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404 said: i'm talking about you chief. "sprinkles should be murdered with a knife"
That's not a threat.
There you go being a lawyer and getting all technical and shit
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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: SunnyD]
#22064634 - 08/08/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You're being silly. Threatening violence on someone is a crime. If bassfreak was joking the first 5 times, he certainly wasn't by the 10th time. It is not okay to make members afraid for their safety, and I really couldn't care less if you disagree with that.
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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: Shroomslip] 1
#22064640 - 08/08/15 09:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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404 said: i'm talking about you chief. "sprinkles should be murdered with a knife"
That's not a threat.
There you go being a lawyer and getting all technical and shit 
Lawyers are good at loopholes
I don't even want him banned, I just want bassfreak face the same punishment
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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: SunnyD]
#22064650 - 08/08/15 09:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Again, what I said was 100% within the rules of the site. If you don't like it, cry to an admin and ask to have me retroactively punished for breaking a rule that wasn't a rule at the time.
Bassfreak threatening to rape a member a dozen times was a serious violation of the rules.
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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: Enlil] 2
#22064665 - 08/08/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You are good at repeating things. But who actually took that seriously and not as shock value humor?
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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: Enlil] 4
#22064671 - 08/08/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Site wide policy, on harassment On Harassment & Respect: Harassment of other members will not be tolerated at the Shroomery, and may result in an immediate ban depending on severity. Do not post another member's personal information, including but not limited to names, addresses, phone numbers, social network pages and/or pictures. If you have a problem with another member, please make your peace with them or use our ignore features (found on each member's profile page) to prevent them from continuing to bother you. If you cannot behave in a respectful manner, keep your words to yourself. Failure to comply will result in administrative action at the sole discretion of the staff. All members are encouraged to PM a moderator or administrator with relevant information if they cannot resolve their conflict privately.
You have broken this, and even though your jk its still breaking site wide policy
several times with sprinkles
Bassfreak has done the same thing in romper 2.0, where its only rules is site wide policy
You both are are fault from this rule
I aint asking for you to be banned, just = punishment
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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: Enlil] 2
#22064679 - 08/08/15 09:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Enlil said: You're being silly. Threatening violence on someone is a crime. If bassfreak was joking the first 5 times, he certainly wasn't by the 10th time. It is not okay to make members afraid for their safety, and I really couldn't care less if you disagree with that.
isn't that backwards? we were all taught as a kid the story of a boy crying wolf. The "first" time you cry wolf everyone believes you, but the 2nd and 3rd time nobody comes. Then eventually the wolf eats you
so you see, people threatening lives are the wolf, but the wolves are acting like the boy crying wolf because they are lieing. its the wolf story in reverse
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Nobody believes a liar...even when he is telling the truth!
im not sure exactly what point im trying to make, i just felt we should remember the boy who cried wolf story, read it, and try to think why our school teachers were trying to teach children to not report being molested and raped
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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: SunnyD]
#22064681 - 08/08/15 09:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Maybe you don't know this, but harassment is allowed in OTD, and has been allowed in there for years. The rule against harassment does not apply to any of my posts in OTD. Get used to that idea.
Threatening violence on a user is a crime...even in OTD...It is against the rules.
I don't know if you're intentionally being obtuse or you just don't understand English well. OTD allows harassment but not threats of violence.
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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: Enlil] 1
#22064694 - 08/08/15 09:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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ohhh ok. so you know then it was allowed in romper room right? up until recently that is when a couple members had meltdowns.
your arguments are pretty shit.
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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: Enlil] 2
#22064695 - 08/08/15 09:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Attorney at loophole
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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: 404]
#22064699 - 08/08/15 09:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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404 said: ohhh ok. so you know then it was allowed in romper room right? up until recently that is when a couple members had meltdowns.
your arguments are pretty shit.
How many times do I have to say this: I DIDN'T BAN BASSFREAK. I wouldn't have banned him for that thread. I've said it a dozen times. I would have banned him for making threats of violence against another user dozens of times.
How can I make it more clear?
Bassfreak was not banned for a post in romper room or OTD. He was banned for a post in a user created forum. I don't know what the rule is in user created fora, so I don't know if harassment is allowed in them. Again....I didn't issue the ban.
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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: SunnyD]
#22064703 - 08/08/15 09:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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He is the attorney at lol.
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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: Enlil]
#22064709 - 08/08/15 09:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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hmm, just read the quotes and when bassfreak asks for her address to rape her and says she's afraid to do it he clearly crossed the line. It can all be taken as jokes till he asks for an address, purhaps he did so for extra shock value but thats clearly a line you don't cross. a perma ban might be a tad much tho without knowing his true intent. Without knowing if he actually meant it, or weither it was a joke, is the difference between it being harassment and a threat of violence.
If it was meant as a joke then its not a threat
infact alot of comedians will make threats onstage as well infront of large audiences for example when someone starts heckling
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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: Enlil] 3
#22064710 - 08/08/15 09:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Here's the problem I see what that..
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1. Administrative Rules and Guidelines
While some of our guidelines are relaxed, we do reserve the right to enforce them at any time.
Users may be held accountable for inappropriate behavior, even if it isn't explicitly prohibited. Anyone seeking clarification on particular behavior should talk to a member of the staff. We only explicitly protect your right to criticize the site and its staff in a forum-appropriate manner. Trolls and griefers who disrupt the harmony of the community as a whole, are not covered.
2. No posting another members personal information : Personal info consists of, names, addresses, phone numbers, myspace/facebpook, pics, photobuckets, etc.(Because of the dificulty in knowing if a pic was posted in OTD by the owner, pics will be removed by user request. If a user requests a pic removed that hasnt been posted in OTD before by the owner that poster is subject to this rule.) Be careful about where you get peoples pics guys.
3. If, in the opinion of the moderators, a user becomes excessively disruptive to the forum, the user may be banned from the forum without warning. In cases where a user establishes a pattern of such disruptive behavior, he/she may be banned from Off-Topic Discussion permanently
4. No threads coordinating trolling campaigns against other websites.
5. No ratings rapes threads.
6. Non-jovial music is not permitted!
The staff of the shroomery reserve the right to alter or change these rules with or without notice.
First and foremost the retarded swirling image thing makes it difficult to read the rules. 
Second I can see nowhere it's explicitly stated that harassment is okay but threats of violence is not. No I'm not blind and I can plainly see that Catch-all right up there at the top that allows you to just arbitrarily decide what is over the line and what is not. But that is a problem nonetheless. This is where unfair modding can come into place. Because you can sit back and say "I was put in charge of deciding what is and isn't appropriate and I have, don't like it? Fuck off.".
As I brought up before a lot of regular posters on this site are playing Russian Roulette with whatever they post. Especially in RR or OTD. The entire point of those forums seems to be to be "edgier" than the person before you. So you have people just constantly pushing the boundaries until someone gets whacked with the ban stick. Then you get a 24 page thread on it.
Threatening violence is absolutely over the line no matter what? Put it in the rules. At least then everyone is fairly warned. The rules in place now give little guide line to what is acceptable and what is not. It's just a catch-all that says you can ban anyone for anything and you're posting at your own risk.
And just so you don't have to repeat it, yes I know you didn't ban him and yes I know he wasn't banned for the rape shit. That's not the point I'm trying to make. When you have a forum where the entire point is to keep pushing the bounds of acceptable, you need a clear cut off in place.
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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: Enlil]
#22064716 - 08/08/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I know you didn't ban him, I'm asking for = punishment
I'm not asking you to be banned, but bassfreak shouldn't have a perma, atleast
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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22064718 - 08/08/15 09:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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If it was meant as a joke then its not a threat
As many times as he said it, he meant to put Spots in fear.
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Re: Bassfreak is perma-banned [Re: Shroomslip] 2
#22064722 - 08/08/15 09:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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But that is a problem nonetheless. This is where unfair modding can come into place. Because you can sit back and say "I was put in charge of deciding what is and isn't appropriate and I have, don't like it? Fuck off.".
This is actually exactly what is wrong with the police right now, they have laws written so that they can pick and choose when and who they enforce laws on. Its funny that the shroomery would adopt the same tactics so that they could pick and choose who they enforce bans on as well
why not just make it blatently clear what the rules are, its not like you can't update them to add new ones, build it over time to include everything that becomes a problem and specifically what you do and don't want to happen
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