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do you think we are going to leave earth?
    #22054202 - 08/06/15 03:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

http://futurism.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/exoplanets.png

so i was looking at this photo today, and reading how far these planets are away from us... one being only 20 light-years away.

i started thinking about how far we've come as a civilization and what are missions have been regarding space.

we launched metal into space, to see if it was possible.
then we launched animals, to see if it was survivable.
then we sent people to the moon, to push our boundaries
all while pushing the limits of space craft. (see voyager missions)

we put a giant space station into orbit. to see if we could last for long periods of time in 0 gravity and the most inhospitable environment known to life, space.

now we are about to put people on mars, to see if we can build colonies and terraform other planets
(DARPA wants to use genetically modified organisms to terraform mars)


The way i see it, we are going to be inhabiting multiple planets in distant future. thoughts?


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: 404]
    #22054207 - 08/06/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I think we have the capability and will make it to other planets within our solar system, but IMO we will die out or kill ourselves long before we create anything capable of sending us to another star system.


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: 404] * 1
    #22054215 - 08/06/15 03:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I think if we stopped competing on a global level then there would be more progress. Until then it's going to take a long ass time, maybe not even happen looking at current world politics and the economy. Until a respectable solution to monetization happens, we're not going anywhere fast.


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #22054220 - 08/06/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The sad part is the competing was the only thing pushing us forward, the only reason we went to the moon was because of the cold war and Russia sending sputnik into space and us having fear they were going to gain the higher ground, so we booked ass and tried to get the higher ground first, then gave up trying to send people further in space because the conflict stopped.


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #22054221 - 08/06/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

we might be able to travel to nearby planets
but I don't think we can do other solar systems in our biological bodies
not until we can merge with machines will we be able to travel light years


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #22054235 - 08/06/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

traveling light years won't be an issue. in order to combat the problem with degrading bodies and long space travel, we will have to build colonies in space and other planets first. that way, we can travel to new planets and raise generation after generation to continue living till we get to a planet. it will take a loooong time. but i don't think it's entirely impossible**.


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: 404] * 5
    #22054262 - 08/06/15 03:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Then comes in the factor, of what if we send something fast and large enough that it can make it to another star system within even 2000 years, which compared to todays technology is unbelievably fast even for the closest star, then we'd have to factor in the possibility of what if within that 2000 years we come up with even BETTER technology and can make it there faster, and bypass the people already on their way.

Plus the variables of dead cold rogue planets that can't be seen in infrared, and comets and meteors blasting the craft that's traveling on it's way that we wouldn't be able to even see or avoid because they'd be cold and too dim of light in interstellar space, even the tiniest grains of sand that weren't refined like the sand on our atmosphere that would be nonstop pelting the spacecraft traveling forward and ever so slowly wearing down the outside of it (this is a problem even on mars, the dirt and dust on mars isn't smooth like it is on Earth because the lack of an atmosphere means less friction for it to smooth out like it did here, so wind and any dust on mars is jagged and ridged and would be constantly tearing at any spacesuits that were continuously worn on the surface)

We're still in the very early stages of technological advancement, so it would be ignorant for me to say we're incapable of it because 200 years ago people would say we're incapable of pulling things out of our pockets and talking to someone across the globe but it still seems like it will be too long a time and we are too prone to war to advance to the degree needed for interstellar travel, and I only named small and few variables and there is hundreds more.

The amount of energy and power you would even need to travel such distances, you would basically have to evolve beyond war because anything that can harness energy like that, would be very capable of wiping itself out, especially if one part of the species wanted to use that type of power to try and wipe out another part of the species. Nukes don't even compare to the type of energy and power needed to traverse such distances.


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: SirShroomsAlott] * 2
    #22054285 - 08/06/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

This guy is always enjoyable to watch and since he is an astrophysicist he can explain it in terms much better then me.

But if you have 8 minutes, he kind of explains traveling through space and puts in perspective the true distances between each and why it would be so hard even to the closest star which is only 4 light years away (which has a earth like planet around it)



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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #22054291 - 08/06/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe someday. If the human race survives that long..


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: Shining Cosmos] * 1
    #22054301 - 08/06/15 04:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Nah we'll dredge the seas, suck out every nutrient, then fight wars over what is left.


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: Beanhead]
    #22054368 - 08/06/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I think that may be what we were put here to do.


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22056599 - 08/07/15 03:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: 404]
    #22056607 - 08/07/15 03:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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404 said:
http://futurism.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/exoplanets.png

so i was looking at this photo today, and reading how far these planets are away from us... one being only 20 light-years away.

i started thinking about how far we've come as a civilization and what are missions have been regarding space.

we launched metal into space, to see if it was possible.
then we launched animals, to see if it was survivable.
then we sent people to the moon, to push our boundaries
all while pushing the limits of space craft. (see voyager missions)

we put a giant space station into orbit. to see if we could last for long periods of time in 0 gravity and the most inhospitable environment known to life, space.

now we are about to put people on mars, to see if we can build colonies and terraform other planets
(DARPA wants to use genetically modified organisms to terraform mars)


The way i see it, we are going to be inhabiting multiple planets in distant future. thoughts?




Not in our life time, at least not legitimate extraterrestrial habitability.
In 100 years? Anything is possible.


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: TNK]
    #22056627 - 08/07/15 03:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I think it will happen eventually, but considering how far down the line the prospect lays it is impossible to guess how it may unfold.


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #22058511 - 08/07/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

In fifty years we will easily have conquered death. It may be within some of our life times. Wedont know if we are building toward a collective unseen goal, but I choose to acknowledge we may. Time may not be liniar, we may be falling toward something spectacular. Choosing to live in cynasism will poison you and those around you. There is pleanty of poison to go around.


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22059397 - 08/07/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

How do you figure we will beat death in fifty years? I am curious. Are we talking Ghost in the Shell prosthetic bodies? I too think that great things are in the works and technology seems to increase exponentially especially in the past couple hundred years. Once we make our way into the AI Rrevolution anything can happen.


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: 404] * 1
    #22059411 - 08/07/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i think its possible.

it all comes down to whether or not humanity destroys itself.

i dont think anyone can confidently say wher or not it will happen


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: 404]
    #22059438 - 08/07/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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How do you figure we will beat death in fifty years? I am curious. Are we talking Ghost in the Shell prosthetic bodies? I too think that great things are in the works and technology seems to increase exponentially especially in the past couple hundred years. Once we make our way into the AI Rrevolution anything can happen.



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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22059485 - 08/07/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

we have no choice to but to leave if the human race is to go on!

our sun wont last forever and will swell and engulf the earth or the other scenario is the andromeda galaxy is on a collision course with the mikyway galaxy (us) and when we collide everything will be destroyed here on earth.

our only hope is too find a way before the clock runs out.

it is our main goal as humans that we are all working towards without even knowing it!!

as we evolve our idea and they grow the future brings new technology and this will be the key to our survival

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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: mustangbob3]
    #22059495 - 08/07/15 04:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Oh yeah...

www.mars-one.com

If that mission is already listed above my apologies...too high to read through it.


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #22059501 - 08/07/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

problem is mars in our galaxy too its not anywhere near far enough away for safety

we need to find a planet in the goldilocks zone that is in a different galaxy


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: mustangbob3]
    #22059507 - 08/07/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

We have time. It will be okay. We have the need as humans to get everything at once. We can't see the ociannrising, so to speak.


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #22059514 - 08/07/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Oh yeah...

www.mars-one.com

If that mission is already listed above my apologies...too high to read through it.




Mars One is nothing but a big hypothetical idea. the likelihood of them adhering to their(extremely optimistic) schedule or achieve funding is slim to none


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: mustangbob3]
    #22059545 - 08/07/15 04:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

There's no way the human race will ever develop its technology to the point of interstellar travel let alone intergalactic

We'll kill ourselves off or suck our planet dry long before we can ever get to that level of technology


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: 404]
    #22059561 - 08/07/15 05:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I believe if science and technololgy progress in the right direction forward into the future, its a real possibility.

But i seriously doubt it will happen in my lifetime. Wish it would thou.

i would guess 400 - 500 years into the future, people may have the resources and technology to travel vast distances thru space to other exoplanets.

Exciting to think about even if its a distance future fantasy.


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22060038 - 08/07/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Think exponential, not linear


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: mustangbob3]
    #22060065 - 08/07/15 06:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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problem is mars in our galaxy too its not anywhere near far enough away for safety

we need to find a planet in the goldilocks zone that is in a different galaxy





Safety from what exactly?  Being a multi planet species gives us a better chance for survival.  I'm not saying Mars is the answer, but it's a start. 

I personally think their timeframe that they've listed on their website is not likely at all but we'll get there someday - hopefully I'm alive to see it when it happens!!!


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: mustangbob3]
    #22060072 - 08/07/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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problem is mars in our galaxy too its not anywhere near far enough away for safety

we need to find a planet in the goldilocks zone that is in a different galaxy






i feel like you're confusing Galaxy's and Solar Systems.

theres a massive difference. theres like, billions or trillions of stars in a galaxy. but generally only one star in a solar system


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: 404]
    #22060093 - 08/07/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

No.  Not a prayer.  Nothing reachable is sustainably hospitable on its own and anyplace that might be is clearly too far to go.

Fusion children.  Without it we (well our children's children's children) will be back in caves


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22060159 - 08/07/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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No.  Not a prayer.  Nothing reachable is sustainably hospitable on its own and anyplace that might be is clearly too far to go.

Fusion children.  Without it we (well our children's children's children) will be back in caves




What about the flux-capacitor entering a wormhole at 88 mpH??? :rockon:


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #22060181 - 08/07/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

There is no way you can go exactly 88 miles an hour.


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22060223 - 08/07/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What if a technology was developed, where nominal flight speed was thirty times faster than the speed of light?

How would that change our thoughts in this thread?


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    #22060249 - 08/07/15 07:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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What if a technology was developed, where nominal flight speed was thirty times faster than the speed of light?

How would that change our thoughts in this thread?



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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22060262 - 08/07/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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There is no way you can go exactly 88 miles an hour.





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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #22060267 - 08/07/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Just kidding.


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22060278 - 08/07/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i hate to be all hippie and shit man but unless everyone united and we all started to work as one united country humanity will be wiped out before we get anywhere man


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #22060280 - 08/07/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I beleive som day yes,
mars would be first or the moon imo



also,
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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: SunnyD]
    #22060290 - 08/07/15 07:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Where you gonna get water and food there?


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22060417 - 08/07/15 08:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Long before we reach planets in other systems, we will have permanent colonies on the Moon or other moons, Mars, maybe Ceres or Vesta or other large asteroids. Or maybe, large habitats orbiting Earth or stationed at L4 or L5 Lagrange points.

In space energy is virtually free, and on bodies without atmospheres solar can be very efficient. Water? H and O are abundant elements, and there are caches of ice here and there. I presume all manner of elements are available in the asteroid belt for raw materials (we can't be lifting millions of tons out of a 1 G gravity well for all of this).

That leaves food, but between vat-grown edibles, fungus or algae, hell engineered stuff if needed, we'll find a way. Not only will humanity live off-planet in the future, if we survive long enough to get there, but we must get off the planet. As long as all our eggs are in one basket we are at risk as a species.


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22060528 - 08/07/15 08:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Where you gonna get water and food there?



I imagine theyd send it via spaceship


try to make controlled indoor gardens and farms


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: SunnyD]
    #22060631 - 08/07/15 09:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

There ain't no real reason to leave yet aside from the whole exploration / discovery aspect.
Sure, we've fucked up, and continue to fuck up our planet, but overall, it's still in pretty good shape.
Look at the planet as an Iphone.
There's a better one to be had each year it seems, but that don't mean the old one's no good.


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: 404]
    #22060738 - 08/07/15 09:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I doubt it. I'd be suprised if we lasted another 300 years.


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22060881 - 08/07/15 10:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Where you gonna get water and food there?




That's such an easy question to answer. We'd grow it, duhhh


It's not hard to have a grow system in space.


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: 404] * 1
    #22060928 - 08/07/15 10:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

one day we're gonna be so futuristic we'll have a water well on fuckin pluto teleporting water to your dick through portals n shit


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #22060949 - 08/07/15 10:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

fo wheel doe?

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i cant believe it, no...


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: SunnyD]
    #22060962 - 08/07/15 10:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

betcha obama already has that shit going on with his toilet right now


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: 404]
    #22063474 - 08/08/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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It's not hard to have a grow system in space.




Seeds won't sprout while being slammed with cosmic rays.


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
    #22063516 - 08/08/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

that's why you shield them

it's true though that in space you are subjected to many more times the amount of sieverts you would be on earth due to the lack of a geomagnetic field.

that's also going to be one of the challenges we are going to have to get by if and when we colonize mars. mars has a very weak geomagnetic field.


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22355363 - 10/09/15 04:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Where you gonna get water and food there?




HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.  Mars just spoke, and it said go fuck yourself.  :puddingpop:


I would bet the house that we will have people living on Mars in my lifetime.


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #22355628 - 10/09/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Where you gonna get water and food there?




HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.  Mars just spoke, and it said go fuck yourself.  :puddingpop:


I would bet the house that we will have people living on Mars in my lifetime.



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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22355635 - 10/09/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

they are planning for 2030's to have people on mars if i'm not mistaken, zap. not sure if that was mentioned or not earlier in this thread, its old haha


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22355664 - 10/09/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Where you gonna get water and food there?




HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.  Mars just spoke, and it said go fuck yourself.  :puddingpop:


I would bet the house that we will have people living on Mars in my lifetime.



Sign the deed over now.




Come on now you're not really being fair.  Had I stated "maybe there's water up there" in an earlier post you would have shit all over it and said no chance.  For some reason you have this position that it's not possible/we're not capable - and it's frustrating and disappointing to hear.  It's not a matter of if, it's only a matter of when.  Humans are too curious.


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: 404]
    #22355771 - 10/09/15 06:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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they are planning for 2030's to have people on mars if i'm not mistaken, zap. not sure if that was mentioned or not earlier in this thread, its old haha




This is the Mars One Project.  I think their timetable is a little aggressive, but the plan is well underway.  As it states on their website, no new undiscovered technology needs to be realized to make this possible - we have the tools now.


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #22355784 - 10/09/15 06:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

i think we have most everything we need to really make it there as it is, we can already recycle water and grow plants in space


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: 404]
    #22355791 - 10/09/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

the problem there will be creating an atmosphere, which if the planet had a megnetosphere/ionosphere, it would be a lot easier i would imagine. i don't think we have the tech for that, lol


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: 404]
    #22355824 - 10/09/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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they are planning for 2030's to have people on mars if i'm not mistaken, zap. not sure if that was mentioned or not earlier in this thread, its old haha



Yeah.  We could easily put people on Mars.  They are going to have to stay there.  I hope they bring lots of MREs.  Because they aint coming back.


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22355871 - 10/09/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

they'll probably just grow their own. :shrug: it ain't rocket science.


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: 404]
    #22355881 - 10/09/15 07:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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the problem there will be creating an atmosphere, which if the planet had a megnetosphere/ionosphere, it would be a lot easier i would imagine. i don't think we have the tech for that, lol




This is doable but would take generations to complete.  Unless you listen to Elon Musk and just nuke the shit out of both of the mars poles (scientists doubt this as a realistic option), you would have to go the slow route of using greenhouses gases to "trap" the sunlight.


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #22355894 - 10/09/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Water isn't all you need.


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #22355900 - 10/09/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

On a side note, when is another civilization going to leave their home and come check out ours?  I imagine that if we're ever visited, it will be a drone-ish/rover-ish type set up being operated by X________ from a  remote control millions and millions of miles away.


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: 404]
    #22355913 - 10/09/15 07:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I think its actually more likely that we will fix our planet and learn to live somewhat harmoniously and sustainably in the eventual future. And at this point that seems pretty unlikely or far off.
If we ever do reach other solar systems or inhabit planets outside of this system, I think it will be after we figure our shit out on earth, and cut down on population.


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: Ezuma]
    #22356130 - 10/09/15 07:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I think its actually more likely that we will fix our planet and learn to live somewhat harmoniously and sustainably in the eventual future. And at this point that seems pretty unlikely or far off.
If we ever do reach other solar systems or inhabit planets outside of this system, I think it will be after we figure our shit out on earth, and cut down on population.




I think the living harmonious/sustainable talk is a very low probability.  I want you to be right so bad but I just don't see it happening.

Either way, man must explore.  You can make the argument that it's for survival of the human race or you could just say there are really really smart guys with deep pocket books who are treating this as a hobby at the moment...Musk, Branson and whomever is behind the Mars One Project. 

Exciting times we are in right now if you ask me!  All things outer space are great to discuss and think about and it really blows your mind sometimes :incredible:


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    #22356148 - 10/09/15 07:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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they are planning for 2030's to have people on mars if i'm not mistaken, zap. not sure if that was mentioned or not earlier in this thread, its old haha




This is the Mars One Project.  I think their timetable is a little aggressive, but the plan is well underway.  As it states on their website, no new undiscovered technology needs to be realized to make this possible - we have the tools now.




Their funding was selling coffee mugs

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    #22356240 - 10/09/15 08:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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they are planning for 2030's to have people on mars if i'm not mistaken, zap. not sure if that was mentioned or not earlier in this thread, its old haha




This is the Mars One Project.  I think their timetable is a little aggressive, but the plan is well underway.  As it states on their website, no new undiscovered technology needs to be realized to make this possible - we have the tools now.




Their funding was selling coffee mugs

bitch please

Safe & efficient asteroid mining





I had to look it up to see if there was any truth to that and I don't see jack shit.  Yeah maybe they're selling them, but you don't really believe thats what they are relying on to pay for this?

What is the Mars One Business Model

Establishing the first human settlement on Mars is the defining moment of the 21st century and the most exciting event in our lifetime. Mars One's revenue model is based on the media value of that adventure, intellectual property rights, several other business cases, investments, and donations.

Mars One receives donations from over 100 countries every month. At this moment, the revenue generated from donations is not enough to finance the mission but with every step Mars One takes and with every contract that is closed, more people donate and the average amount goes up. We expect that revenues from donations can contribute substantially to our mission by the time our first unmanned mission lands on Mars.

The mission to Mars will primarily be financed through investments. In March 2013, Mars One closed a very successful investment round and is currently in the closing stages of a much larger investment round. The next step for Mars One will be a listing on a stock exchange to enable supporters to 'own' part of the mission to Mars. Investors are investing in Mars One because they believe in a return on their investment. That return on investment will come from several revenues streams:"

- See more at: http://www.mars-one.com/faq/finance-and-feasibility/what-is-the-mars-one-business-model#sthash.twVIhrEF.dpuf


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    #22356266 - 10/09/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I hope it is what they are relying on.  It is an idiot mission.  If they get there how are they gonna get back?  They will needs a shit ton of fuel to escape even Mars' gravity.  They might as well bring caskets with them because anybody who goes is gonna die there.  It's a waste anyway.


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22356327 - 10/09/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I hope it is what they are relying on.  It is an idiot mission.  If they get there how are they gonna get back?  They will needs a shit ton of fuel to escape even Mars' gravity.  They might as well bring caskets with them because anybody who goes is gonna die there.  It's a waste anyway.




I believe everyone signing up for it knows it's a one way mission and that they will all die on Mars.  If I had the brainpower for it and thought I had a legitimate chance of being chosen as part of the first settlers, I would sign the dotted line with zero hesitation. 

I tend to agree with you that it seems like a somewhat pointless exercise (given what we know/dont know now), however, that doesn't mean we shouldn't explore it.


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22356353 - 10/09/15 08:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I hope it is what they are relying on.  It is an idiot mission.  If they get there how are they gonna get back?  They will needs a shit ton of fuel to escape even Mars' gravity.  They might as well bring caskets with them because anybody who goes is gonna die there.  It's a waste anyway.




Hey I just noticed your sig with the federal deficit.  Is that a big reason why you're against mars colony, space exploration, etc?  Hasn't a lot of this been turned over to the private sector and NASA is now receiving much less from the federal government?


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #22356386 - 10/09/15 08:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

the question is, "should we terraform mars asap"
once we begin there is no turning back.

we just discovered liquid water on mars but cant get anywhere near it for fear of contamination
when we begin sending life to mars we will lose the ability to study mars as a separate planet uninhibited by earth


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    #22356573 - 10/09/15 09:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I think that what will assure a stronger push into (local) space is going to be the lure of profit. There could be untold riches in the asteroid belt. 24-hour fee energy offers potential benefit, maybe for savings on some energy intensive process, or a fleet of solar satellites one could beam it down to a microwave farm for sale on Earth. Space tourism may be niche but the will be more and more interest if it were to become even remotely affordable.

As people are needed to support whatever nascent space industries evolve, support resources like bases and habitats will needed. I tend to imagine slow but steady growth of private space operations, and as the ball gets rolling it can go faster and faster.

Our biggest problem right now is the cost of lifting anything into orbit, but that is going to improve. I like one design that uses a few miles of electromagnetic launch rails to gain 600 MPH (950 KM/H) at liftoff.

Barring a global catastrophe of some sort, I think we will probably be established throughout the solar system in a few hundred years. Unfortunately, we'll also be trapped in the solar system - probably for millennia, maybe forever (excluding many-generation ships) if we never find a way to exceed the speed of light. I see little reason to expect that we will either, at least not in any manner suitable for transport at any scale beyond the atomic. I hope I am wrong about that though.


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    #22356668 - 10/09/15 09:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Years ago there was a parcel of land that couldn't be used commercially because of something having to do with the trees on the land. The owner wanted to build - the city said not while the trees were there.

What to do? What to do?

Then, one night, someone went in with a chainsaw and cut every single tree halfway through on the entire property. A very unsafe condition which needed the trees to be immediately removed.

No one found out who cut the trees. But the land owner was able to have a nice shiny Walgreens built for everyone in town to enjoy.

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Once someone goes to Mars and "contaminates" the area, it's a lot easier to finally build a Walgreens there.


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Re: do you think we are going to leave earth? [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #22356676 - 10/09/15 09:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I think a settlement on mar is possible via technology,
massive greenhouses, controlled envioments


buts its a long shot


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