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Growing mushrooms on unconventional things?
    #22052888 - 08/06/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hello everyone,

This is my first post the message board. I am an artist based in London and for an exhibition I am working on I would like to involve an object with mushrooms (edible kind) growing on them. I have been doing research online for the past few weeks about mushroom growing and I have had a few starter kits to see how it goes.

One specific question I am trying to find an answer for is: is it possible to grow any type of mushroom on solid wood furniture? Can I inoculate wooden furniture (say a wooden bed frame) with dowels or does it have to be a fresh log from the forrest? Would it potentially work if the wood was the right kind of wood? And would it potentially work if I soaked the wooden furniture first?

If not actually inoculating the furniture itself, is it possible to drill a large hole in a piece of furniture, and grow mushrooms out of the hole, rather than from actually feeding off the furniture itself? i.e. could a spore covered dowel produce mushrooms on it's own, like a mini log? Or could incubated and germinating grain be pushed into a hole and it grow as if it were in a grow bag, growing out of the hole towards the air?

Thank you for any advice, and excuse my total lack of mushrooms knowledge.


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Re: Growing mushrooms on unconventional things? [Re: esti]
    #22052980 - 08/06/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Not sure about inoculating wooden furniture its self, my guess is you would need to make some kind of cavity to add a substrate into. Roger Rabit has been known to fruit on many unusual items including a bible and use currency as a casing. CH Hell has grown inside of a fake skull
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12288080

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Just though of one more thing on the furniture angle. If you're talking about furniture with a soft layer like an arm chair or couch you might be able to use a similar technique to this stuffed bear grow
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11338414


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Re: Growing mushrooms on unconventional things? [Re: psilobob]
    #22053010 - 08/06/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

those skull pics are awesomme.

Now I need to think of something memorable to grow out of..

OP: The main problem might be furniture's ability to hold enough water. Maybe just look up how people spawn into logs and do something similar


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Re: Growing mushrooms on unconventional things? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22054447 - 08/06/15 04:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe substrates could be hidden in different parts of the furniture, then just open up a hole in the furniture where you want to introduce fruiting.


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Re: Growing mushrooms on unconventional things? [Re: CMOSS]
    #22055450 - 08/06/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

All you would have to do is hydrate the piece of furniture (soak) and then use dowels like you would logs.
Seems like it wouldn't be to easy to dunk a chair in water or something of a similar size, so you will have to get creative. :wink:


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Re: Growing mushrooms on unconventional things? [Re: bryanbzl]
    #22056986 - 08/07/15 08:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the tips everyone.

It is possible to take apart the chair, soak it in pieces in water for a few weeks and then reassemble, and drill and put dowels in.

One thing though - is it possible to grow wood on timber? or does it have to be fresh wood?

I read somewhere that logs need to have all of the bark intact. Is this to make it 'sealed'? I wonder because what if you were to put the dowels in a chair that was painted in gloss paint? and so would the insides get taken over and then you could drill a hole to let it out? Or would the gloss paint 'suffocate' the wood?


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Re: Growing mushrooms on unconventional things? [Re: esti]
    #22057813 - 08/07/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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esti said:
Thanks for the tips everyone.

It is possible to take apart the chair, soak it in pieces in water for a few weeks and then reassemble, and drill and put dowels in.

One thing though - is it possible to grow wood on timber? or does it have to be fresh wood?

I read somewhere that logs need to have all of the bark intact. Is this to make it 'sealed'? I wonder because what if you were to put the dowels in a chair that was painted in gloss paint? and so would the insides get taken over and then you could drill a hole to let it out? Or would the gloss paint 'suffocate' the wood?



I doubt anyone can do more than speculate here. Maybe look up what is typically done to wood in the production of modern furniture :thumbup:

And if the gloss does suffocate the mycelium, I think drilling some holes would probably alleviate the problem :shrug:

But really you're just going to have to experiment here.


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Re: Growing mushrooms on unconventional things? [Re: esti]
    #22058414 - 08/07/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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esti said:
Thanks for the tips everyone.

It is possible to take apart the chair, soak it in pieces in water for a few weeks and then reassemble, and drill and put dowels in.

One thing though - is it possible to grow wood on timber? or does it have to be fresh wood?

I read somewhere that logs need to have all of the bark intact. Is this to make it 'sealed'? I wonder because what if you were to put the dowels in a chair that was painted in gloss paint? and so would the insides get taken over and then you could drill a hole to let it out? Or would the gloss paint 'suffocate' the wood?




The only reason some people talk about using fresh cut logs is because at the point of cutting the fresh logs are perfectly hydrated.
My second hobby is Wood Working. Wood used in furniture is mostly kiln dried lumber. That being said taking apart the piece of furniture, into more manageable sized pieces, and soaking it until fully hydrated is your best bet. The piece of furniture almost certainly has been treated with a finish such as shellac or polyurethane. In this case you may have some trouble getting water to penetrate and rehydrate the wood. That is the finishes purpose after all. You may need to sand it before soaking. Give it a shot! I will be doing a similar thing in the future when I have the time.


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Re: Growing mushrooms on unconventional things? [Re: bryanbzl]
    #22070544 - 08/10/15 05:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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bryanbzl said:

The only reason some people talk about using fresh cut logs is because at the point of cutting the fresh logs are perfectly hydrated.




Ah, great! That was the kind of info I was after - really helpful thanks!

Ok, the furniture I have seems to have been lazily painted, i.e. all of the undersides are still unfinished. I will see if soaking the piece, with one side out of 3 unpainted allows enough water in to penetrate the whole piece of wood in a few weeks.

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But really you're just going to have to experiment here.




I would love to experiment and I will of course, but asking other people's advice can point someone like me in the right direction. Thanks for everyone's advice and thoughts here.

One other question though: I was interested in growing Lions Mane because of it's unusual visual characteristics but also the recent studies that have shown it helping with brain cognition and this relating to my exhibition. However the dowel kit I have ordered (and from what I've read online) is that it can take 1-2 years to colonise a 15cm thick log. (Experimenting here would take a long time) Obviously the furniture wood is thinner maybe 4 x 4cm or 1.5 x 1 inches.

Does a thinner piece of wood meaning the process is quicker? less wood to colonise, so fruiting happens quicker? Or is it that people want their log to be fully colonised before shocking, to maximise yield? Can something be part colonised and then be made to induce fruiting (shocking in cold water)?

Again, this is for an exhibition (although i will eat it too) but I'm thinking more in terms of timings, i.e. getting this to fruit during the exhibition and not miss it by a year or 2!

That said I am growing some Oyster mushrooms from a grow bagand they are starting to pin after a week :smile:


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