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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22064236 - 08/08/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Really what I worry about is the Japanese not knowing themselves the extent of the shit they pulled.

Those right wing facist nut jobs over there are actively working to do this.


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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: ChinChiller]
    #22064260 - 08/08/15 07:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

right wing facist nut jobs the world over

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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: Konyap]
    #22064262 - 08/08/15 07:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

this sounds like a job for nuts! and bags!


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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: ChinChiller]
    #22064286 - 08/08/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Errolscool said:
Really what I worry about is the Japanese not knowing themselves the extent of the shit they pulled.

Those right wing facist nut jobs over there are actively working to do this.




Yeah well it's not like the Chinese wouldn't like to take advantage of that issue to gain political leverage.  When it comes down to it neither state has much regard for human rights, and I think most of this sort of propaganda is aimed at influencing western countries who do not want to be associated with this inhuman treatment.  I'm not saying that there aren't people in both countries who care about the truth, but in terms of the government and bulk of accusatory literature concerning war atrocities, I think it is important to take everything with a grain of salt.


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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22064293 - 08/08/15 07:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It goes both ways, the Japanese far right wants the South China Sea and some islands for Japan not China, so hiding it is also political leverage.


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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: ChinChiller]
    #22064297 - 08/08/15 07:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

God damn historical revisionists!


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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: ChinChiller]
    #22064301 - 08/08/15 07:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

there was no ad hominem.

i actually agree with your previous post, before this comment.

all i'm saying is the Japanese military is not the Japanese civilian.

the two are distinct. one committed atrocity, the other did not.

simple.


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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: ChinChiller]
    #22064317 - 08/08/15 08:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Errolscool said:
It goes both ways, the Japanese far right wants the South China Sea and some islands for Japan not China, so hiding it is also political leverage.





Yeah I can't argue with that.  I was trying to get to the bottom of it and find good data on the event, but apparently much was destroyed by the Japanese.

This would be suspiscious to me if I didn't read a ducument from a Japanese agency that was basically like "this idea gained so much popularity in the west because human rights is considered a "golden" issue in the US", and they were trying to argue that the assault was exagerrated but that statement alone, the implication that Japan does not care about human rights, gives me the feeling that something they don't want to acknowledge to the international community happened.  I have to imagine there is some truth to it, but like I said this is not unheard of in militaries of the time. 

Asia is a complicated and sometimes brutal place that we don't really understand as well as European aspects of WW2, which even that is a pretty murky pool of knowledge.


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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: ChinChiller] * 1
    #22065474 - 08/09/15 01:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Its hard to top the holocaust.




Not really.



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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #22065478 - 08/09/15 01:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: ChinChiller]
    #22065553 - 08/09/15 01:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That Graem always throws me off. I never really know what people are trying to say with it.


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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #22065600 - 08/09/15 02:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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That Graem always throws me off. I never really know what people are trying to say with it.



Its kinda like a duh!

Bad choice of graem on my part


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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #22065601 - 08/09/15 02:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Good ol' Pol Pot


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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: ChinChiller]
    #22065614 - 08/09/15 02:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I can dig it


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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #22065754 - 08/09/15 04:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

And so, today it's the 9th. At 11:02 local time, 21 kilotons of scorching heat, devastating blast and insidious radioactivity ravaged the city of Nagasaki.




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"like a graveyard with not a tombstone standing"

- Japanese report on Nagasaki after the bombing











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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: Asante] * 1
    #22065789 - 08/09/15 05:06 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i think it's so wild that the island of japan has had so many nuclear mishaps. earthquakes, tsunamis, cyclones, meltdowns, and the only place that's ever had nuclear bombs used against it in wartime. not exactly a place i'd wanna be really.

i bet the bombs had quite a trickle down effect on japan's culture as well, considering so many people and things we're obliterated in the matter of seconds. people left with missing sections of their families out of nowhere. shadows cast forever on the pavement.


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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: 404] * 2
    #22065821 - 08/09/15 05:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)



George Takei, whom many of us know as Mr Sulu from Star Trek and many other public performances, lost several family members in the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima.

Yes it thoroughly influenced the Japanese culture, notable among things in manga and anime culture.

Fennario posted the following piece of an Anime which is quite graphic but clearly shows the influence. Like I said before, the American story is all about scientific, logistic and military triumph but the Japanese story starts with two cities wiped out in seconds, out of the blue.  The Imperial Army knew more but the people, who were victimized, knew nothing. Of the ~50,000 people killed outright in Nagasaki there were only 150 soldiers and there were 13 prisoners of war.




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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: Asante] * 1
    #22065830 - 08/09/15 05:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The original Godzilla was also a really powerful film about the bombings.
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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: Asante]
    #22066621 - 08/09/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

George Tekei also lived in an internment camp for Japanese-American citizens with as a child, which it's kinda surprising sometimes to find out there are people still here today who went through that.


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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22066648 - 08/09/15 10:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

There are still people alive who fought in it


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