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zappaisgod
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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: Asante]
#22062475 - 08/08/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Asante said: Thats the great thing about being the victor, you get to write history. Firebombing Dresden and Hanover, and 67 Japanese cities most notably the atrocious firebombing of Tokyo most certainly are war crimes.
So were the doodlebugs of course but the Axis were, you know, evil. The Good Guys aren't supposed to employ the same tactics.
But somehow the emphasis shifted from bombing military targets to bombing population centers.
And your "total war" argument, that's Dr Goebbels' soundbyte if you recall:
The Allies were to stop this extremism of "total war", not take it to a new level.
Theres nothing more "total war" in all of the history of warfare than was committed, 70 years ago, the day before yesterday and tomorrow.
War crimes? Is that a joke? Japan and Germany deserved every motherfucking bit of destruction they got. They started that shit, were fucking scumbags and their populace was fully supportive. Well, people, maybe you should think twice before you support that shit.
I would also point out that because they were completely defeated they are now productive peaceful members of the world community. Half assed policies perpetuate conflict. They do not end it.
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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: Asante]
#22062480 - 08/08/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Asante said: Thats the great thing about being the victor, you get to write history. Firebombing Dresden and Hanover, and 67 Japanese cities most notably the atrocious firebombing of Tokyo most certainly are war crimes.
So were the doodlebugs of course but the Axis were, you know, evil. The Good Guys aren't supposed to employ the same tactics.
But somehow the emphasis shifted from bombing military targets to bombing population centers.
And your "total war" argument, that's Dr Goebbels' soundbyte if you recall:
The Allies were to stop this extremism of "total war", not take it to a new level.
Theres nothing more "total war" in all of the history of warfare than was committed, 70 years ago, the day before yesterday and tomorrow.
yeh no you are the revisionist. In what way was the bombing of those cities a war crime? please tell me.
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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: JustForToday]
#22062484 - 08/08/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I heard we were starving them for metal or something before that. I don't know, it wasn't all pretty bad. They ducked up China. It amazes me how bad China always seems to loose
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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#22062485 - 08/08/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: I really think people whine about this firebombing too much. These wars were hell, and many places ceased to exist because of it. What did they expect?
they didn't expect anything worse. the atom bomb must have been like magic. "they couldn't possibly make that happen again...."
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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: akira_akuma]
#22062504 - 08/08/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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i never said they were lazy, ijust said they were illiterate or stupid to not heed the warning....but i get what youre saying the gov basically hung their people out to dry and left them in the dark on just how bad it could be while they refused to surrender
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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: trippinballs420]
#22062847 - 08/08/15 02:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you have even a rudimentary understanding of japanese culture than it becomes alot easier to understand there attitudes toward surrenders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_prisoners_of_war_in_World_War_II#Japanese_attitudes_to_surrender
here's an interesting article about the decision to surrender if you dont believe im some kinda revisionist or whatever http://japanfocus.org/-Herbert_P_-Bix/1787/article.html
Edited by CHeifM4sterDiezL (08/08/15 02:08 PM)
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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: Asante] 1
#22062864 - 08/08/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Asante said: Well there's the fact that America, oh, firebombed the shit out of 67 big Japanese cities and they found it hard to find two pristine cities to drop their nuclear bombs on. Then there was the use of napalm and flame throwers, they loved fire.
One word: nanking. They had it coming.
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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: ChinChiller]
#22062868 - 08/08/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: ChinChiller]
#22062916 - 08/08/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Errolscool said:

WTF Man? IS that A REAL BABY?
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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: JustForToday]
#22062931 - 08/08/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre
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The International Military Tribunal for the Far East estimated that, in a addition to infants and the elderly, 20,000 women were raped.[47] A large portion of these rapes were systematized in a process in which soldiers would go from door to door, searching for girls, with many women being captured and gang raped.[48] The women were often killed immediately after being raped, often through explicit mutilation[49] or by pentetrating vaginas with bayonets, long sticks of bamboo, or other objects. Young children were not exempt from these atrocities and were cut open to allow Japanese soldiers to rape them
And yes the Japs were infamous for bayoneting anything and everything including babies.
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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: JustForToday]
#22062936 - 08/08/15 02:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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No its not a real baby that photo is staged by the imperial american revisionist propaganda machine.
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ChinChiller



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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#22062941 - 08/08/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: No its not a real baby that photo is staged by the imperial american revisionist propaganda machine.
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ChinChiller



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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: ChinChiller]
#22062944 - 08/08/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think id take a nuke over Nanking.
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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: ChinChiller]
#22062947 - 08/08/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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akira_akuma
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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] 1
#22063356 - 08/08/15 04:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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no rapes and atrocity was ever attributed to an American soldier. they shot bunnies and and flowers out of their rifles instead of bullets.
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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: akira_akuma]
#22063390 - 08/08/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: no rapes and atrocity was ever attributed to an American soldier. they shot bunnies and and flowers out of their rifles instead of bullets.
I mean yeah, but nanking was like a rape fest. I woulda been behind just dropping one bomb then letting the chinese pull a nanking on nagasaki.
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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: Asante]
#22063405 - 08/08/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Tldr
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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: ChinChiller]
#22063412 - 08/08/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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it's soldiers being soldiers. it's a lack of command. it's not because of how they were raised. why would the fucking people of Japan deserve "a Nanking"? kind of a sick thing to say, man.
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ChinChiller



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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: akira_akuma]
#22063434 - 08/08/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: it's soldiers being soldiers. it's a lack of command. it's not because of how they were raised. why would the fucking people of Japan deserve "a Nanking"? kind of a sick thing to say, man.
You think systematic rape is just soldiers being soldiers? 20,000 women isnt an isolated incident.
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ChinChiller



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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: ChinChiller]
#22063448 - 08/08/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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That wasnt just a hiccup in the chain of command. That probably came directly from the people in command.
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