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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: Moonshoe]
    #22058383 - 08/07/15 11:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thank you Moonshoe :hug:


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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: Asante]
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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: Asante] * 1
    #22058803 - 08/07/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thank you :hug:

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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22058877 - 08/07/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

These nuclear attacks are pretty much just about the most horrible and strangely trippy events I have heard of.  Well, the story of the atomic bomb is quite a bizarre thing, and the way it was used is completely fucked. 

WWII altogether was some strange shit.  I think it was possibly THE turning point between the world we know and the world that was known before mid-20th century.  It's not a huge difference that there are now digital versions of all the new technology that began being present in the 1930's - 1940's.  Truly the birth of the modern age. 

Some important things coming out of WWII:
-Widespread knowledge of genocide throughout the world, taught in history classes at age 12-14.  boom.  we have to think about that during puberty. (you might have to overthrow your gov't someday)

-development of nuclear technology (subsequently, the US holds the world at ransom, grabs resources and establishes new colonial locations, followed by cold war once nuclear technology spreads)

-LSD (effects discovered 2 years before "the bomb")

-Radar (which has also lead to radio telescopes)

-Computers, computer assisted cryptography

I might also add that while Meth wasn't invented during WWII, this was the first occasion where it was consumed en masse. 

Human history is weird.  Largely tales of subjugation and strife in a poor attempt to manage real estate with force. 

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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: Achuma]
    #22058905 - 08/07/15 02:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

good ol' meth


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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: Achuma] * 1
    #22058933 - 08/07/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I sometimes think about what the world and human civilization would be like if world war 1 and 2 had never happened, and there had never been any world wars.

I feel like we would already have colonies on mars at the very least.

Its crazy how it is generally said that world war 1 directly caused world war 2, and world war 2 directly caused the cold war.

And World war 1 started due to an unbelievably unlikely coincidence where a serbian assassin got a sandwhich and by complete chance saw the Archduke outside the sandwhich shop just as the Archduke's car engine stalled, allowing him to assassinate him, which led directly to the war.

:eek:

Its mind blowing. If he had gone somewhere else for a sandwhich, we might be living in a utopian paradise world right now, or at the very least a totally different world.


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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: Moonshoe]
    #22058951 - 08/07/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

wed probably NEED to migrate to mars or somewhere else because we're already raping our resources as it is and changing everything around.......imagine if none of those people had died in those wars, and had kids, those kids wouldve had kids, and by the time global warming and climate change was realized it would be wayyyy too late


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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: Asante]
    #22058955 - 08/07/15 02:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

RIP

I would also like to say that we should also remember the German civilians lost during WW2 to firebombing and war in general. The lives lost in Germany were no less important than those lost in Japan, yet every year we remember Hiroshima and Nagasaki more than we remember places like Dresden.




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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: Konyap]
    #22058961 - 08/07/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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the us wasn't in ww1 :facepalm:




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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: Asante]
    #22058996 - 08/07/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Turtletotem said:

But it had to be done, you know?





No.




Yes.  Note they didn't surrender after the first one.  The fucking Japs were assholes.  And yes I include their civilians.  They were rah rah all the way.




Quote:


Quote:

"The Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing."

- General Eisenhower, Newsweek, 11/11/63




I'll take his word over any lay opinion.




On what terms?  Let me point out that because they surrendered abjectly and completely and submitted to total US jurisdiction for a period of time they are an extremely prosperous nation now.  West Germany is the same.  In fact they were so prosperous that they were able to absorb the East German shitocracy.


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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: trippinballs420]
    #22059015 - 08/07/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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wed probably NEED to migrate to mars or somewhere else because we're already raping our resources as it is and changing everything around.......imagine if none of those people had died in those wars, and had kids, those kids wouldve had kids, and by the time global warming and climate change was realized it would be wayyyy too late





The wars were devastating to the environment, I am almost certain the environment would be much better  off without those world wars.

I don't know for certain, on the one hand tons of people died and thus were not using up any more resources, but the wartime industry was so heavy and so much material was manufactured and destroyed, that I would imagine that the net impact on the environment from the wars was very negative.

Furthermore if people had focused all the time, money, energy, intelligence and resources that we used on war on solving environmental and other problems instead, we could likely have solved our environmental problems all together.


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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: nooneman]
    #22059025 - 08/07/15 02:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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RIP

I would also like to say that we should also remember the German civilians lost during WW2 to firebombing and war in general. The lives lost in Germany were no less important than those lost in Japan, yet every year we remember Hiroshima and Nagasaki more than we remember places like Dresden.






thats cause people like to talk alot of shit and the hypocrisy is almost blinding.


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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: TNK]
    #22059051 - 08/07/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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They could have even only dropped one bomb, over either city with the same result.
No real need to drop two of them.

Very sad. :sad:



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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: nooneman]
    #22059068 - 08/07/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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nooneman said:
RIP

I would also like to say that we should also remember the German civilians lost during WW2 to firebombing and war in general. The lives lost in Germany were no less important than those lost in Japan, yet every year we remember Hiroshima and Nagasaki more than we remember places like Dresden.




and the ones in Poland and the ones in France and Belgium and England and China and the Phillipines and from the US.  Tell me again what assholes started this?


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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: Moonshoe]
    #22059085 - 08/07/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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wed probably NEED to migrate to mars or somewhere else because we're already raping our resources as it is and changing everything around.......imagine if none of those people had died in those wars, and had kids, those kids wouldve had kids, and by the time global warming and climate change was realized it would be wayyyy too late





The wars were devastating to the environment, I am almost certain the environment would be much better  off without those world wars.

I don't know for certain, on the one hand tons of people died and thus were not using up any more resources, but the wartime industry was so heavy and so much material was manufactured and destroyed, that I would imagine that the net impact on the environment from the wars was very negative.

Furthermore if people had focused all the time, money, energy, intelligence and resources that we used on war on solving environmental and other problems instead, we could likely have solved our environmental problems all together.




i thought you were talking like just take out ww1&2 and vietnam all of the deaths and put them back into place in life - i hadnt considered the resources that were used in the war and the jobs it created back home.


its too bad people cant live in harmony - helping each other out. but i believe we've proved to ourselves over thousands of years we cant.....either that or now we're just too dumb to learn from past mistakes



im kind of a pessimist in most cases and this just reflects that tho


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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #22059096 - 08/07/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22059166 - 08/07/15 03:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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RIP

I would also like to say that we should also remember the German civilians lost during WW2 to firebombing and war in general. The lives lost in Germany were no less important than those lost in Japan, yet every year we remember Hiroshima and Nagasaki more than we remember places like Dresden.




and the ones in Poland and the ones in France and Belgium and England and China and the Phillipines and from the US.  Tell me again what assholes started this?



Let's blame the Belgians, no one likes them


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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22059172 - 08/07/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22059179 - 08/07/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

and beer :cheers:


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Re: August 6 and 9 -- 70 years ago nuclear fire raged through the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki [Re: trippinballs420]
    #22059190 - 08/07/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

True enough


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