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Bremer rejects Blair WMD claims
    #2205175 - 12/28/03 04:34 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Bremer 'rejects' Blair WMD claims

The US official running Iraq appears to have contradicted Tony Blair's claim Saddam Hussein had laboratories for developing weapons of mass destruction.

The prime minister said in a Christmas message to UK troops that the Iraq Survey Group (ISG) had unearthed "massive evidence" of clandestine labs.

The head of the Coalition Provisional Authority said it was not true.

Bremer said Blair's remarks sounded like a "red herring"

The US official running Iraq appears to have contradicted Tony Blair's claim Saddam Hussein had laboratories for developing weapons of mass destruction.

But Mr Bremer seems to have been unaware that the quotes had come from Mr Blair when they were put to him in an interview on ITV1's Jonathan Dimbleby programme.

"I don't know where those words come from but that is not what (ISG chief) David Kay has said," he said.

"I have read his reports so I don't know who said that.

"It sounds like a bit of a red herring to me. It sounds like someone who doesn't agree with the policy sets up a red herring then knocks it down."

However when it was pointed out the remarks had come from the leader of the US's closest ally, Mr Bremer seemed to pull back from his original remarks.


"There is actually a lot of evidence that had been made public," he said

Former chief UN weapons inspector Hans Blix has also cast doubt on Mr Blair's assertion.

Dr Blix said it was "innuendo" to suggest laboratories were used for WMD.

However on Sunday, Downing Street was standing by the prime minister's comments.

A spokeswoman insisted he was referring to "already published material" in the interim report by the ISG.

In the interview with the British Forces Broadcasting Service, Mr Blair had said: "The Iraq Survey Group has already found massive evidence of a huge system of clandestine laboratories, workings by scientists, plans to develop long range ballistic missiles.

It is high time the prime minister cleared this matter up once and for all

Menzies Campbell
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"Now, frankly, these things weren't being developed unless they were developed for a purpose."

Echoing what Mr Bremer said, Dr Blix said that the ISG had failed to produce any concrete evidence that the laboratories they had found were working on WMD.

However, Mr Bremer rejected Dr Blix's claim that there were no WMD left for Saddam to give up. "You might conclude that Dr Blix is out of touch," he said.

Liberal Democrat foreign affairs spokesman Menzies Campbell said that he would be pressing ministers on the state of the government's knowledge about Iraqi WMD when Parliament returns in the New Year.

"It is high time the prime minister cleared this matter up once and for all," he said.

"Just exactly what was the British Government's state of knowledge at the time of military action about the presence of weapons of mass destruction and the facilities for manufacturing them; and what do they know now?"

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Re: Bremer rejects Blair WMD claims [Re: Xlea321]
    #2205188 - 12/28/03 05:05 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I guess the legitanicy of this operation will always be agrued but shouldn't we be looking twards the future now? Lets figure out what must be done to insure the best future for the people of Iraq instead of rehashing the same old arguements.


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Re: Bremer rejects Blair WMD claims [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #2205240 - 12/28/03 06:31 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I guess the legitanicy of this operation will always be agrued but shouldn't we be looking twards the future now? Lets figure out what must be done to insure the best future for the people of Iraq instead of rehashing the same old arguements.







I'm thinking of a future where liars like this don't run the world. I think they would love to look toward the future too...future imperialist ventures...

What's best for the people of Iraq? Well, since the USA basically installed Saddam, and certainly supported him hugely in the 80's, it's obvious they don't give a shit about the people of Iraq.

The ruling class of USA doesn't even give a shit about their own people!

I would have more respect for these neo-conservative warlords if they just told the truth. Rather than constantly insulting the intelligence of citizens with their lies.

Oh yeah, before the war, they knew exactly where the WMD were. The next evidence could be a mushroom cloud! Now, opponents of all this should get their minds in the present, as if past lies don't matter...even if they didn't (they do) USA supports a present day ruthless dictator in Uzbekistan. Where should our minds go then? The future? Well, neocons might feel safe there, cuz it hasn't happened yet, so there is no record to point out. Only fear mongering. Mushroom cloud, my ass!


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Re: Bremer rejects Blair WMD claims [Re: carbonhoots]
    #2205280 - 12/28/03 07:17 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Ahmed Hassan Bakr, became president, and Saddam was elected vice president on Nov. 9, 1969. Saddam began eliminating anyone who was not a member of the Baath party.

On July 16, 1979, Saddam forced Bakr to resign and appointed himself president of Iraq and commander-in-chief of the military. Hundreds of people were executed, accused of plotting against Saddam.

How did the US install Saddam? Sorry but I just can't see how the Iraqis are worse off than they were 5, 10 ,or 15 years ago. I understand your point about lying though.


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Re: Bremer rejects Blair WMD claims [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #2205400 - 12/28/03 10:26 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Exclusive: Saddam key in early CIA plot

By Richard Sale
UPI Intelligence Correspondent
Published 4/10/2003 7:30 PM
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U.S. forces in Baghdad might now be searching high and low for Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, but in the past Saddam was seen by U.S. intelligence services as a bulwark of anti-communism and they used him as their instrument for more than 40 years, according to former U.S. intelligence diplomats and intelligence officials.

United Press International has interviewed almost a dozen former U.S. diplomats, British scholars and former U.S. intelligence officials to piece together the following account. The CIA declined to comment on the report.

While many have thought that Saddam first became involved with U.S. intelligence agencies at the start of the September 1980 Iran-Iraq war, his first contacts with U.S. officials date back to 1959, when he was part of a CIA-authorized six-man squad tasked with assassinating then Iraqi Prime Minister Gen. Abd al-Karim Qasim.

In July 1958, Qasim had overthrown the Iraqi monarchy in what one former U.S. diplomat, who asked not to be identified, described as "a horrible orgy of bloodshed."

According to current and former U.S. officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, Iraq was then regarded as a key buffer and strategic asset in the Cold War with the Soviet Union. For example, in the mid-1950s, Iraq was quick to join the anti-Soviet Baghdad Pact which was to defend the region and whose members included Turkey, Britain, Iran and Pakistan.

Little attention was paid to Qasim's bloody and conspiratorial regime until his sudden decision to withdraw from the pact in 1959, an act that "freaked everybody out" according to a former senior U.S. State Department official.

Washington watched in marked dismay as Qasim began to buy arms from the Soviet Union and put his own domestic communists into ministry positions of "real power," according to this official. The domestic instability of the country prompted CIA Director Allan Dulles to say publicly that Iraq was "the most dangerous spot in the world."

In the mid-1980s, Miles Copeland, a veteran CIA operative, told UPI the CIA had enjoyed "close ties" with Qasim's ruling Baath Party, just as it had close connections with the intelligence service of Egyptian leader Gamel Abd Nassar. In a recent public statement, Roger Morris, a former National Security Council staffer in the 1970s, confirmed this claim, saying that the CIA had chosen the authoritarian and anti-communist Baath Party "as its instrument."

According to another former senior State Department official, Saddam, while only in his early 20s, became a part of a U.S. plot to get rid of Qasim. According to this source, Saddam was installed in an apartment in Baghdad on al-Rashid Street directly opposite Qasim's office in Iraq's Ministry of Defense, to observe Qasim's movements.

Adel Darwish, Middle East expert and author of "Unholy Babylon," said the move was done "with full knowledge of the CIA," and that Saddam's CIA handler was an Iraqi dentist working for CIA and Egyptian intelligence. U.S. officials separately confirmed Darwish's account.

Darwish said that Saddam's paymaster was Capt. Abdel Maquid Farid, the assistant military attach? at the Egyptian Embassy who paid for the apartment from his own personal account. Three former senior U.S. officials have confirmed that this is accurate.

The assassination was set for Oct. 7, 1959, but it was completely botched. Accounts differ. One former CIA official said that the 22-year-old Saddam lost his nerve and began firing too soon, killing Qasim's driver and only wounding Qasim in the shoulder and arm. Darwish told UPI that one of the assassins had bullets that did not fit his gun and that another had a hand grenade that got stuck in the lining of his coat.

"It bordered on farce," a former senior U.S. intelligence official said. But Qasim, hiding on the floor of his car, escaped death, and Saddam, whose calf had been grazed by a fellow would-be assassin, escaped to Tikrit, thanks to CIA and Egyptian intelligence agents, several U.S. government officials said.

Saddam then crossed into Syria and was transferred by Egyptian intelligence agents to Beirut, according to Darwish and former senior CIA officials. While Saddam was in Beirut, the CIA paid for Saddam's apartment and put him through a brief training course, former CIA officials said. The agency then helped him get to Cairo, they said.

One former U.S. government official, who knew Saddam at the time, said that even then Saddam "was known as having no class. He was a thug -- a cutthroat."

In Cairo, Saddam was installed in an apartment in the upper class neighborhood of Dukki and spent his time playing dominos in the Indiana Caf?, watched over by CIA and Egyptian intelligence operatives, according to Darwish and former U.S. intelligence officials.

One former senior U.S. government official said: "In Cairo, I often went to Groppie Caf? at Emad Eldine Pasha Street, which was very posh, very upper class. Saddam would not have fit in there. The Indiana was your basic dive."

But during this time Saddam was making frequent visits to the American Embassy where CIA specialists such as Miles Copeland and CIA station chief Jim Eichelberger were in residence and knew Saddam, former U.S. intelligence officials said.

Saddam's U.S. handlers even pushed Saddam to get his Egyptian handlers to raise his monthly allowance, a gesture not appreciated by Egyptian officials since they knew of Saddam's American connection, according to Darwish. His assertion was confirmed by former U.S. diplomat in Egypt at the time.

In February 1963 Qasim was killed in a Baath Party coup. Morris claimed recently that the CIA was behind the coup, which was sanctioned by President John F. Kennedy, but a former very senior CIA official strongly denied this.

"We were absolutely stunned. We had guys running around asking what the hell had happened," this official said.

But the agency quickly moved into action. Noting that the Baath Party was hunting down Iraq's communist, the CIA provided the submachine gun-toting Iraqi National Guardsmen with lists of suspected communists who were then jailed, interrogated, and summarily gunned down, according to former U.S. intelligence officials with intimate knowledge of the executions.

Many suspected communists were killed outright, these sources said. Darwish told UPI that the mass killings, presided over by Saddam, took place at Qasr al-Nehayat, literally, the Palace of the End.

A former senior U.S. State Department official told UPI: "We were frankly glad to be rid of them. You ask that they get a fair trial? You have to get kidding. This was serious business."

A former senior CIA official said: "It was a bit like the mysterious killings of Iran's communists just after Ayatollah Khomeini came to power in 1979. All 4,000 of his communists suddenly got killed."

British scholar Con Coughlin, author of "Saddam: King of Terror," quotes Jim Critchfield, then a senior Middle East agency official, as saying the killing of Qasim and the communists was regarded "as a great victory." A former long-time covert U.S. intelligence operative and friend of Critchfield said: "Jim was an old Middle East hand. He wasn't sorry to see the communists go at all. Hey, we were playing for keeps."

Saddam, in the meantime, became head of al-Jihaz a-Khas, the secret intelligence apparatus of the Baath Party.

The CIA/Defense Intelligence Agency relation with Saddam intensified after the start of the Iran-Iraq war in September of 1980. During the war, the CIA regularly sent a team to Saddam to deliver battlefield intelligence obtained from Saudi AWACS surveillance aircraft to aid the effectiveness of Iraq's armed forces, according to a former DIA official, part of a U.S. interagency intelligence group.

This former official said that he personally had signed off on a document that shared U.S. satellite intelligence with both Iraq and Iran in an attempt to produce a military stalemate. "When I signed it, I thought I was losing my mind," the former official told UPI.

A former CIA official said that Saddam had assigned a top team of three senior officers from the Estikhbarat, Iraq's military intelligence, to meet with the Americans.

According to Darwish, the CIA and DIA provided military assistance to Saddam's ferocious February 1988 assault on Iranian positions in the al-Fao peninsula by blinding Iranian radars for three days.

The Saddam-U.S. intelligence alliance of convenience came to an end at 2 a.m. Aug. 2, 1990, when 100,000 Iraqi troops, backed by 300 tanks, invaded its neighbor, Kuwait. America's one-time ally had become its bitterest enemy.




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Re: Bremer rejects Blair WMD claims [Re: Edame]
    #2205416 - 12/28/03 11:02 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Same as it ever was... :thumbup:


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Re: Bremer rejects Blair WMD claims [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #2208155 - 12/29/03 06:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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mntlfngrs said:
I guess the legitanicy of this operation will always be agrued but shouldn't we be looking twards the future now? Lets figure out what must be done to insure the best future for the people of Iraq instead of rehashing the same old arguements.




I think if anyone should be deciding whats 'best' for the iraqis it should be....the iraqis.


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Re: Bremer rejects Blair WMD claims [Re: Azmodeus]
    #2209025 - 12/30/03 03:12 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Iraqis approved by the US is all they'll be allowed...the same way Saddam was approved by them.


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