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graha585
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Deep Frier Sterilization?
#22050993 - 08/05/15 11:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was once frustrated by the necessity of buying a pc for sterilization purposes. Although I don't have a deep fryer, I am curious: Is sterilization possible in hot oil? I've heard it is possible (just difficult) using dry heat in an oven, with the advice to add 10 cc's of extra water (See here). Much like an oven, this would dry out jars, but would have the advantage of heating the jars much more quickly. Most importantly, this could be helpful to beginners who want to avoid financial commitment.
A vague tek for jars:
-Add a bit of extra water to jars -Submerge in oil up to bottom of lid -Heat, keep heated to a reasonable temp/time (perhaps 165C for 30 minutes? I really have no idea) -Turn off heat, wait a bit to avoid cracks -Remove jars, wash then disinfect exterior
I was contemplated trying this with oil in large pot, but think a deep fryer with a temperature gauge may help avoid problems that arise from overheating (i.e., drying out, destruction of sugars).
What difficulties do you foresee? Is anyone looking for serious street cred and willing to try it out?
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Re: Deep Frier Sterilization? [Re: graha585] 1
#22051009 - 08/05/15 11:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Buy a PC. The steam and pressure are what sterilizes, not just immersing in hot liquid...You can boil BRF jars and by proxy your suggestion may work for that, but for grains, agar, ect just get a PC.
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Re: Deep Frier Sterilization? [Re: graha585]
#22051013 - 08/05/15 11:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I doubt if this will work, save your funds and buy a PC theyre not that expensive and it'll pay off with the mushrooms you get off the first flush
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I'll steam grains before that lol
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Re: Deep Frier Sterilization? [Re: graha585]
#22051074 - 08/05/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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That would just be a mess I am not willing to hassle with.
You would spend such a long time cleaning oil off all your jars.
No thank you!
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Buck513
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Re: Deep Frier Sterilization? [Re: natedawgnow]
#22051202 - 08/06/15 12:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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This sounds absolutely horid. Id be scared to see the results.
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Re: Deep Frier Sterilization? [Re: Buck513]
#22051205 - 08/06/15 12:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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i wouldn't mind some deep fried cubes though....
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Buck513
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Re: Deep Frier Sterilization? [Re: cronicr]
#22051217 - 08/06/15 12:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Get the fuck outta here. That sounds absolutely horrible. The oil turning all blue
Fuck off to the pub, cron.
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Re: Deep Frier Sterilization? [Re: Buck513]
#22051220 - 08/06/15 12:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Buck513 said:
Fuck off to the pub, cron.
it's tempting
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Re: Deep Frier Sterilization? [Re: graha585]
#22051225 - 08/06/15 12:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Let me get this straight. The idea of getting a pressure cooker frustrates you, but immersing your jars in oil inside of an appliance that would not only hold less, but costs a hell of a lot more doesn't? You need that pressure to reduce the time from 8 hours down to 90 minutes. A deep frier doesn't increase pressure (and thus doesn't increase the boiling point of water, which your grains are saturated in).
Edited by Mad Season (08/06/15 12:19 AM)
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Re: Deep Frier Sterilization? [Re: cronicr]
#22051234 - 08/06/15 12:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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This may work, but it is also incredibly dangerous. I have been seriously burned by a deep fryer before. I would think that it's a much safer and proven bet to go with a PC.
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Re: Deep Frier Sterilization? [Re: cronicr]
#22051237 - 08/06/15 12:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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OK again it doesn't matter how hot the surrounding oil is the jars at atmospheric pressure are not getting above 100 degrees till they dry out. Oil will give no better results than water or steam without pressure.
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Wait, what if oil was used inside a pressure cooker instead of water? After all, canola oil boils around 300 degrees Celcius. Would the vapor coming off of the oil be able to produce enough pressure to seal the PC? It may actually work. At those temps, the substrate would certainly be sterilized.
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Buck513
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Are you fucking kidding me? Putting oil in a pressure cooker?
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Re: Deep Frier Sterilization? [Re: Buck513]
#22051296 - 08/06/15 12:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Deep Frier Sterilization? [Re: Buck513]
#22051305 - 08/06/15 12:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Buck513 said: Are you fucking kidding me? Putting oil in a pressure cooker?
I ain't gonna be the first to try it, that's all I'm saying.
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Mad Season
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LOL. I'm just going to stick with water thanks.
Oil wouldn't create steam until temperatures so high the grains would probably be dry. You want to heat grains filled with water, with water. If your grains were saturated in oil, you'd use oil. But you don't want grains filled with water heated up with a substance that has a different boiling temperature. At 300°C water isn't water. It's steam. But oil still hasn't even steamed at all to make any pressure form in the chamber.
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Re: Deep Frier Sterilization? [Re: Mad Season]
#22051321 - 08/06/15 12:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Putting oil in a pressure cooker is absolutely ridiculous.
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Re: Deep Frier Sterilization? [Re: Buck513]
#22051715 - 08/06/15 03:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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OP just get a canner like everyone is telling you and use AS DIRECTED.
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Re: Deep Frier Sterilization? [Re: 404]
#22051746 - 08/06/15 03:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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404 said: OP just get a canner like everyone is telling you and use AS DIRECTED.
Don't listen to this guy, OP. Third degree burns make killer looking scars!
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Oil attracts bacteria, you know this right?
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Re: Deep Frier Sterilization? [Re: Tosh] 1
#22051808 - 08/06/15 04:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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oil gets hot, very hot so will work fine but the grease!!
try cleaning that up eww
what a mess
more work cleaning up after than its worth imo
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slartibartfast said: OK again it doesn't matter how hot the surrounding oil is the jars at atmospheric pressure are not getting above 100 degrees till they dry out.
They can, I have done it plenty of times. Its a common misconception, RR used to say it a lot and it sounds believable. Try it for yourself if you want. The easiest way is to get unsoaked grains and weigh them, now microwave them and keep checking the temp, I stir the grains with a metal probe thermometer. I was getting readings of over either 140, 145, or 150C, my thermometer cut out at that point as it was its limit. Now weigh and continue microwaving, now weigh again and you will see it continued to lose weight/moisture even though it was well past 100C. Most grains will be 10-14% natural moisture.
This is with unsoaked grains, if soaked they will explode more easily and cease to have this property. They have to be whole grains with coatings, like rye, wheat, barley or popcorn. They will all eventually start to pop just like popcorn. They are pretty much like mini pressure cookers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popcorn#Popping_mechanism
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As the oil and the water around the kernel are heated, they turn the moisture in the kernel into a superheated pressurized steam. Under these conditions, the starch inside the kernel gelatinizes, softens, and becomes pliable. The pressure continues to increase until the breaking point of the hull is reached: a pressure of about 135 psi (930 kPa)[9] and a temperature of 180 °C (356 °F). The hull ruptures rapidly, causing a sudden drop in pressure inside the kernel and a corresponding rapid expansion of the steam, which expands the starch and proteins of the endosperm into airy foam.
This may sound irrelevant as we work with moist grains, but I have successfully grown on grains heated in this manner. They are getting well above 121C and sterilization can happen at much quicker times. I believe this is how I have gotten away with it. However it is dangerous and grains can burn.
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Re: Deep Frier Sterilization? [Re: graha585]
#22055086 - 08/06/15 07:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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This is not the first time I've seen this question asked on here.
It's not worth even trying due to the cleanup that would be involved. Save yourself a bunch of wasted effort and get a PC.
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Re: Deep Frier Sterilization? [Re: Juiceh]
#22055620 - 08/06/15 09:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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1. You will have a hell of a time keeping grain jars submerged in oil.
2. If any water escapes or the jar breaks in the hot oil it will create a volcano type scenario. The oil would bubble out of the pot violently and end up on your heat source. Thus, burning your house down and quite possibly causing sever burns if you are near it.
3. If, by some miracle you succeed, the clean up would be a nightmare.
This all sounds like more work and extremely dangerous. Please don't attempt it. If you are serious about cultivation just buy a pressure canner. It will last years and gets the job done properly and easily. If you decide you don't like cultivation you can use the canner for other things or sell it. Good canners hold their value.
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Re: Deep Frier Sterilization? [Re: Ncogneato]
#22055856 - 08/06/15 10:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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wow....
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graha585
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Perhaps I wasn't clear - this idea was really just meant to be more novel than practical, and only possibly useful under a very specific set of circumstances.
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